Just asking ...

makulit

10-26-2005, 07:48 PM

Bakit may mga christian church asking for donations sa japan. Mostly pinoys lang ang na-e-experience ko na magbabati ng another filipino and then aabutan ka ng envelope for donations kahit magkano daw for building church daw, etc. Di ba, donations ginagawa sa loob ng church? Bakit ngayon kahit nasa labas ka at naglalakad, may lalapit sa yo. Minsan sabi ko nga ipapadala ko na lang directly sa church, kuhain ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw ngayon na lang …

I have not seen nor experience any other nationality doing such thing. Bakit pinoy lang? Pinoy nga lang ba?

hunky

10-26-2005, 08:16 PM

asking for donations can be done in different ways, so okay lang siguro outside the church. pero kung mukhang manloloko lang eh wag mo ng pansinin or kung may oras ka ipahuli mo:D

dcb0620

10-26-2005, 08:52 PM

konbanwa! sad to say may mga filipino talagang ganyan hindi natin alam kung totoo ang ginagawa nila o sinasabi, sila lan ang nakakaalam, I also encountered the same case like yours sa philippine consulate here in osaka I entertained her but I dont gave a donation kasi Iwas not convinced that time sa mga sinasabi niya…ipagdasal na lan natin sila…

adechan

10-26-2005, 10:08 PM

hi there makulit,

gusto ko ring malaman ang side nang mga nanghihinging iyan sa kalsada, especially around immigration and philippine embassy.

when asking a donation for building a church i believe it belongs to the members of the church not from the outside, if there will be any support coming from the outside, it should be coming from other neighbor church, sister church or any fund support for missions.

Giving to church is like giving to God. A soul who gives to the church must give it from the heart as an offering for the building of the Kingdom of God. The church must teach about giving and the importance of thithes. But it should not be enforced as mandatory. But let God touch their hearts until they understand what is giving, especially the thithes.

Kung sa loob nang isang denomination church ay maraming hindi makaintindi ng giving, e di mas lalo pa doon sa mga taong nakakasalubong lang sa kalsada.

Why ask money from them? Hindi ba dapat feed their souls muna? Share them the message of true salvation in the name of Christ. Why ask like beggars? God’s Kingdom is rich.

Well, i can say this now kase hindi ko alam ang side nila.

God Bless

Harry1806

10-27-2005, 12:18 AM

Napansin ko rin ‘yan sa Narita Airport when I went home last year tho’ the allegedly “missionary lady” was conning another passenger, a Filipina accompanied by her Japanese husband, sitting right beside me. If I feel sorry for similar activity in our country being done along the streets and even inside the bus, much more here in the foreign land. What they are doing don’t just insult our nation but even degraded our image as Filipinos.

I hope church leaders behind this modus operandi of modernized way of begging could also re-evaluate their program of sending Filipinos overseas just to ask for donations for whatever reason. No problem with preaching, they can do it anywhere and everywhere, but to ask for “payment” for doing it is another thing. They may justify that giving is voluntary but what is deplorable is their way of soliciting money. And we are not even sure if these are really sectarians or purely an organized syndicate bringing the name of God to for personal gain. Churches have a lot of other means to raise funds, 'wag naman kahit saan na lang. We must be civil enough to protect our integrity as Filipinos.

Maruchan

10-27-2005, 12:33 AM

Bakit may mga christian church asking for donations sa japan. Mostly pinoys lang ang na-e-experience ko na magbabati ng another filipino and then aabutan ka ng envelope for donations kahit magkano daw for building church daw, etc. Di ba, donations ginagawa sa loob ng church? Bakit ngayon kahit nasa labas ka at naglalakad, may lalapit sa yo. Minsan sabi ko nga ipapadala ko na lang directly sa church, kuhain ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw ngayon na lang …

I have not seen nor experience any other nationality doing such thing. Bakit pinoy lang? Pinoy nga lang ba?

Meron bang humihing ng pera sa labas ng church para mag-build ng church sa Pinas dito sa Japan? Wala pa namang lumalapit sa akit. Pero mabuti ang ginawa mo, Makulit, to ask for the envelop so you can send your donation directly.

makulit

10-27-2005, 01:42 AM

Meron bang humihing ng pera sa labas ng church para mag-build ng church sa Pinas dito sa Japan? Wala pa namang lumalapit sa akit. Pero mabuti ang ginawa mo, Makulit, to ask for the envelop so you can send your donation directly.

Meron Maruchan. Actually kanina nga nangyari sa akin sa Immigration pa. Akala ko nga friendly lang sya kasi she smiled at me, never nangyari na may bumati sa akin na Filipina.

Yon na, she stalled me for awhile and inabot nya sa akin yung envelope. Nagpapagawa nga daw ng church, hindi ko matandaan kung saan ang church na sinasabi nya.

Hindi nga sya pumayag na dalhin ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw e doon na lang. :confused: I did gave naman. Kaya lang parang whole day sila sa immigration talking to kababayans natin and then asking for donation. Buti kung nilalapitan ang ibang tao kahit na anong nationality kaso filipinos lang talaga ang target.

She didnt even share the words of God to me. Pero hindi nya nakalimutan na sabihin na binibisita daw nila yung mga nakakulong sa immigration. Tanong ko nga sya, kung bakit sila dapat bisitahin? Hindi ako nasagot.

Anyways, charge to experience … meron syang binigay na papel sa akin about the fellowship kanina. Hanapin ko. Although, hindi ko alam kung dapat kong i-post dito yon … cguro i-PM ko na lang syo :confused:

puting tainga

10-27-2005, 02:45 AM

I have encountered them and talked with them and made a few researches.
I know who they are, religiously speaking.

Legally speaking, you free to believe in any religion unless it aims to destroy the government by force.
You must respect the faith of others even though you believe they are totally wrong.
Please understand that I wrote the following based on this concept.

Most of these people are from groups that deny trinity.
In broader sense, yes, they are Christians, but most orthodox protestant/pentecostal denominations regard them as heresies.

Since the word trinity is not used in the Bible, it has been debated for almost 2000 years, almost always groups that uphold the trinity survived the race of church planting/building, or war.

Heresies don’t last long.
(If lasted long, it isn’t a heresy anymore, It becomes orthodox.
In early days, there were wars or mass-murder and almost always the trinity side won.)

If you deny the trinity, Jesus becomes one of the great prophets or whatever they call it, and automatically makes the founder of that cult a great person.
(Christ is not the family name of Jesus. It means tagapagligtas.)
After that great founder dies, that group usually deteriorates and vanishes after, say, 100 years, or 200 years.
It happened many times historically.

Also I have heard some groups teach that standing in front of the station and talking to people is one of their trainings or conditions to go to heaven, or even better part in heaven, or to be promoted within the church or whatever they call it.

This is also quite different from standard protestant/pentecostal interpretation of the Bible.
(Standard teaching is that you are saved by just believing in Jesus Christ, not by your deed.)

So far, people I met and talked were gentle and peaceful and seemed to have no intention of resorting to violence.
But historically speaking, cults quite often end up with violence or suicide, or both.

lovered

10-27-2005, 09:10 AM

naka experience na rin ako ng ganyan sa labas din ng phil consulate talagang sinundan nya ko at binibigay nga yung envelope,kamukha nung ginawa ni makulit kinuha ko yung envelope sabi ko padala ko na lang sa church nila,ang sagot nya sa kin kunin na lang daw yung adrs. ko at sya na lang daw pupunta para kunin yung donation ko. :confused: binalik ko sa kanya yung envelope sabi ko hindi ko pwede ibigay sa kanya adrs ko sabi ba naman kahit daw number ng keitai…kaya ginawa ko na lang naglakad ako ng mabilis pra hindi nya na ko sundan:mad:

RISINGSUN

10-27-2005, 02:26 PM

marami na rin akong nakita at nakaenkuentro ganyan makulit…dito sa Japan hindi ko alam kong bawal o hindi… pero sa Pinas alam ko pinagbabawal yan kailangan meron kang permit bago magsolicit ng donation…yung iba kasi ginagawa na nilang hanap buhay yan using the Church… alam nila kasi ang Pinoy mga relihiyoso… para sa akin tama yung ginawa…:tiphat:

Teddy

10-27-2005, 02:36 PM

Be careful people, for those asking for donations in the street or stations for a good cause. Some of them are managed by syndicates, only to benefit them.

Maruchan

10-27-2005, 06:52 PM

Meron Maruchan. Actually kanina nga nangyari sa akin sa Immigration pa. Akala ko nga friendly lang sya kasi she smiled at me, never nangyari na may bumati sa akin na Filipina.

Yon na, she stalled me for awhile and inabot nya sa akin yung envelope. Nagpapagawa nga daw ng church, hindi ko matandaan kung saan ang church na sinasabi nya.

Hindi nga sya pumayag na dalhin ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw e doon na lang. :confused: I did gave naman. Kaya lang parang whole day sila sa immigration talking to kababayans natin and then asking for donation. Buti kung nilalapitan ang ibang tao kahit na anong nationality kaso filipinos lang talaga ang target.

She didnt even share the words of God to me. Pero hindi nya nakalimutan na sabihin na binibisita daw nila yung mga nakakulong sa immigration. Tanong ko nga sya, kung bakit sila dapat bisitahin? Hindi ako nasagot.

Anyways, charge to experience … meron syang binigay na papel sa akin about the fellowship kanina. Hanapin ko. Although, hindi ko alam kung dapat kong i-post dito yon … cguro i-PM ko na lang syo :confused:

Naku, no words of God?! Kakaduda naman iyan. :confused: O sige, Makulit, i-PM mo na lang kapagnahanap mo, kung hindi, okay lang din. Basta ingat ka lang sa mga ganyang klaseng donation na medyo malabo.

I have encountered them and talked with them and made a few researches.
I know who they are, religiously speaking.

Legally speaking, you free to believe in any religion unless it aims to destroy the government by force.
You must respect the faith of others even though you believe they are totally wrong.
Please understand that I wrote the following based on this concept.

Most of these people are from groups that deny trinity.
In broader sense, yes, they are Christians, but most orthodox protestant/pentecostal denominations regard them as heresies.

Since the word trinity is not used in the Bible, it has been debated for almost 2000 years, almost always groups that uphold the trinity survived the race of church planting/building, or war.

Heresies don’t last long.
(If lasted long, it isn’t a heresy anymore, It becomes orthodox.
In early days, there were wars or mass-murder and almost always the trinity side won.)

If you deny the trinity, Jesus becomes one of the great prophets or whatever they call it, and automatically makes the founder of that cult a great person.
(Christ is not the family name of Jesus. It means tagapagligtas.)
After that great founder dies, that group usually deteriorates and vanishes after, say, 100 years, or 200 years.
It happened many times historically.

Also I have heard some groups teach that standing in front of the station and talking to people is one of their trainings or conditions to go to heaven, or even better part in heaven, or to be promoted within the church or whatever they call it.

This is also quite different from standard protestant/pentecostal interpretation of the Bible.
(Standard teaching is that you are saved by just believing in Jesus Christ, not by your deed.)

So far, people I met and talked were gentle and peaceful and seemed to have no intention of resorting to violence.
But historically speaking, cults quite often end up with violence or suicide, or both.

I see. Well, I am a Catholic so I cannot donate to any organization that is against my religious belief. I can however donate to any religious denominations that is asking for money to help…let say…the street children in our country or the likes. I respect their belief but I happen to believe in the Holy Trinity so they have to respect that too…I guess. Thank you for sharing this, Puting Tainga! Like what Kalypso wrote in the other thread, the key here is the word respect.

crispee

10-28-2005, 01:51 PM

[quote=Harry1806]Napansin ko rin ‘yan sa Narita Airport when I went home last year tho’ the allegedly “missionary lady” was conning another passenger, a Filipina accompanied by her Japanese husband, sitting right beside me. If I feel sorry for similar activity in our country being done along the streets and even inside the bus, much more here in the foreign land. What they are doing don’t just insult our nation but even degraded our image as Filipinos.
quote]

Hello Harry,
I guess yung lady na nakita mo last year ay na-meet ko rin twice in different occassions. Madalas sila sa may pilahan ng check-in counter ng PAL. First time na mag-usap kami, she did not leave her envelope , gusto niya lagay ko agad donasyon ko:p. Eh ako naman play hard-to-get lalo na at yung reason for raising funds is to buy a space para daw may mapag-tayuan ng bagong assembly hall? Wow, to be honest nagsalubong yata ang kilays ko:D

Then nagkita uli kami last month, malayo pa lang siya naka-smile na hehehe. This time she did not offer anything, pero ako ang nagkusang nagtanong kung di ba niya ako bibigyan ng envelope;) . Because last time na mag-usap kami (for an hour i think) I told her na ibabalik ko sa kanya ang envelope next time na magkita uli. So binigyan niya naman ako(wala naman mawawala sa kanya) and I promise her to give my donation if ever we will see each other again. That’s why i am keeping the sobre in my travelling bag, just in case:rolleyes:.

leikavie05

10-29-2005, 12:19 PM

Hi ! makulit, e share ko lng po itong website na to sa lahat ng mga katanungan mo pls. visit … www.angdatingdaan.or g lahat ng tanong mo about faith kahit ano pa po yang tanong mo na nasa isipan mo po …dyan sa website na yan masa2got lahat the answer is coming from the bible … sana visit the website …

makulit

10-29-2005, 12:37 PM

Hi ! makulit, e share ko lng po itong website na to sa lahat ng mga katanungan mo pls. visit … www.angdatingdaan.or g (http://www.angdatingdaan.or g) lahat ng tanong mo about faith kahit ano pa po yang tanong mo na nasa isipan mo po …dyan sa website na yan masa2got lahat the answer is coming from the bible … sana visit the website …

I dont question their faith leikavie05. Ang tanong ko was why they ask for donation. At bakit pilipino lang. At bakit din Filipino lang ang nilalapitan. Asking for donations and not sharing words of God.

Anyways, Thanks. Next time may lumapit ulit, I will ask the person directly.

docomo

10-29-2005, 01:27 PM

It’s ok to give donation to some charity funds or whatsoever … as long you know where the money goes through … vice versa ,the people who ask for donation should (at least) have the courtesy to give/state their reasons for soliciting donation as well :slight_smile:

leikavie05

10-31-2005, 10:30 AM

I dont question their faith leikavie05. Ang tanong ko was why they ask for donation. At bakit pilipino lang. At bakit din Filipino lang ang nilalapitan. Asking for donations and not sharing words of God.

Anyways, Thanks. Next time may lumapit ulit, I will ask the person directly.

Hi! again makulit, alam mo ung mga gumagawa ng ganyan na nami2gay ng sobre for donation sa kanilng church mga miembro nila yan na inutusan ng puno nila at ung mismong puno ng relihiyon nila ay hindi namn yan ginagawa nag aantay lng ng nga na collection nila sa mga hindi namn nila kapa2nampalataya kaya sa dami ng na collect ung puno nila ang yumayaman at yan ay hindi inutos ng Dios sa mga tunay na kristyano sa biblia, tulad ng mga apostol nung unang panahon hindi sila kumukuha ng anoman sa hindi kapana2mpalataya. III juan 1:7 Sapagka’t dahil sa pangalan,ay nangagsiyaon sila na walang kinuhang anoman sa mga Gentil.
if you want lng namn po makulit or if you have time visit this website http://www.angdatingdaan.or g and you can ask any question in your mind and you can get a exactly answer according to the Bible…cge po thank’s see you…

honey

10-31-2005, 02:32 PM

Bakit may mga christian church asking for donations sa japan. Mostly pinoys lang ang na-e-experience ko na magbabati ng another filipino and then aabutan ka ng envelope for donations kahit magkano daw for building church daw, etc. Di ba, donations ginagawa sa loob ng church? Bakit ngayon kahit nasa labas ka at naglalakad, may lalapit sa yo. Minsan sabi ko nga ipapadala ko na lang directly sa church, kuhain ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw ngayon na lang …

I have not seen nor experience any other nationality doing such thing. Bakit pinoy lang? Pinoy nga lang ba?

baka iba po yan! o kinukuha nya agad para pang miryenda:D .kala ko pilipinas lang ganun, me little quiapo pala dito sa japan:D .matagal na akong di nagsisimba e!kahit gustuhin ko man:( kaya wala pa naman po ako naeencounter na ganyan.

mquial

10-31-2005, 03:58 PM

Sorry kung makaoffend ako, pero I may not trust them pag outside the church sila nanghihingi.

adechan

10-31-2005, 08:50 PM

http://www.angdatingdaan.or g and you can ask any question in your mind and you can get a exactly answer according to the Bible…cge po thank’s see you…

just a thought on this site lang po …

I am blessed and agree in their many teachings …

pero marami pong babala sa iba nilang katuruan, matindi rin po silang bumatikos sa ibang relihiyon, kaya ganoon din ang batikos sa kanila.

well, for whatever it is, just pick up their teachings that will profit to the Kingdom of God and will get closer to God.

Marami rin pong katotohanan sa mga sinasabi nila … but to my own point … exagerrated po ang iba.

But for whatever it is, I respect. After all, the center is Christ.

We are all one body in Christ, irregardles of denominations.

God Bless

fisher

11-12-2005, 01:03 PM

Bakit may mga christian church asking for donations sa japan. Mostly pinoys lang ang na-e-experience ko na magbabati ng another filipino and then aabutan ka ng envelope for donations kahit magkano daw for building church daw, etc. Di ba, donations ginagawa sa loob ng church? Bakit ngayon kahit nasa labas ka at naglalakad, may lalapit sa yo. Minsan sabi ko nga ipapadala ko na lang directly sa church, kuhain ko yung envelope, kung pwede daw ngayon na lang …

I have not seen nor experience any other nationality doing such thing. Bakit pinoy lang? Pinoy
nga lang ba?

The best thing to do is; ask his phone no. then the name of the church or organization they belong.The name of their head.The place where they’re building the church.Is it for Catholics or what?Is he or she will personally bring the donations to the place where they are building the said project “in this case is a church”?At palagay ko dito na si magkakagutcha-gutcha.Beware! Do not dare to take the envelope bec.once you did it,you are getting closer to the prey.For God’s sake.Why do these people use God’s name for their own gain?
Now,I will tell you na I was a former seminarian.Our seminary was built from donations.The people who donated the money came personally and hand over the money to our superiors.There is a farmer who is not rich but because he wanted to share what he has to the church he personally brings vegetables to us direct from his field.
I’m sure the Church is not going to ask someone and go to anywhere in the world and beg for alms.No and No!Sad to say, I’m ashame of this!

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