Puwede bang magtrabaho at maging permanent resident ang may student visa?

amazona

10-23-2005, 01:52 PM

pwede bang magtrabaho dito ang isang student visa holder at pwede bang mging permanent ang isang student visa holder??? ?? answer me plsssssssssss thanks looking forward to all ur replys…

nick

10-23-2005, 04:21 PM

Calm down, please. Take a deep breath and other members will get to you shortly.

ganda_girl89

10-23-2005, 04:32 PM

pwede bang magtrabaho dito ang isang student visa holder

yes kung makakakuha ka ng permission to engage in other activities other than the previously granted.

at pwede bang mging permanent ang isang student visa holder??? ?? answer me plsssssssssss thanks looking forward to all ur replys…

1.now,no bec as a student,wala ka pang wrk—you cant show financial stability to live in jpn.
2.in the future,yes—if you will stay in japan longer,find a job and save money or marry and make a family with a japanese citizen someday.

ps.i wish wag magalit ang mods sa pag gamit ko ng colored font.para lang po mas maintindihan ang reply sa bawat question.

Ayara

10-23-2005, 04:45 PM

Hi Amazona,

What are possible ways for students to extend their stay in Japan?

  1. Employment(Working Visa): If you are employed at a company in Japan after graduating from a university, it is possible for you to change your student visa to a working visa like an “engineer” visa or a “specialist in humanitarian or international services” visa depending on your major at the university and new job. If you are given a title of the specialist ( “Senmonshi”) by an advanced vocational school (“Senmongakko”), there is a possibility of your obtaining a working visa based on this title of “Senmonshi”.

  2. Incorporation(Workin g Visa): If you start a business in Japan by establishing a company, although there are requirements regarding an office and employees, graduation of a university is not required. Therefore, it would be possible to change either pre-college visa or college visa status to an "investment and management " visa.

  3. Marriage(Marriage Visa): If you marry a Japanese, it would be possible to change your student visa to a “spouse of a Japanese” visa. If you marry non-Japanese having, for example, working visa, it would be possible to change your student visa to a “family stay” visa.

  4. Study Continuation(Student Visa): If you go to a university or “Senmongakko” for further study after leaning Japanese at a Japanese language school, you will need to change a student visa from a pre-college visa to a college visa.

For other questions try to visit http://homepage3.nifty.com/kurokawa-office/index.htm

v_wrangler

10-24-2005, 10:29 AM

Hello Amazona,

This is a question to other students as well, (assuming you are a Japanese Mombusho Scholar), why would you want to acquire a permanent residence visa? I have been noticing from many forums - scholars who decide to stay in Japan after graduation to seek employment. While there is no law preventing one to acquire permission; either you get sponsored by a company or get hitched - I just find it unbelievable, people who are supposed to be the cream of the crop reneging on their promise to return to the Philippines (thats the concept of the scholarship isnt it?) and practice what they learned in Japan.

If you came to Japan on your own, then disregard my question.

docomo

10-24-2005, 01:33 PM

Hello Amazona,

This is a question to other students as well, (assuming you are a Japanese Mombusho Scholar), why would you want to acquire a permanent residence visa? I have been noticing from many forums - scholars who decide to stay in Japan after graduation to seek employment. While there is no law preventing one to acquire permission; either you get sponsored by a company or get hitched - I just find it unbelievable, people who are supposed to be the cream of the crop reneging on their promise to return to the Philippines (thats the concept of the scholarship isnt it?) and practice what they learned in Japan.

If you came to Japan on your own, then disregard my question.

good question v_wrangler … I find this worth thinking about:)

Dax

10-24-2005, 03:49 PM

I just find it unbelievable, people who are supposed to be the cream of the crop reneging on their promise to return to the Philippines (thats the concept of the scholarship isnt it?) and practice what they learned in Japan.

Good question! I am one of those ex-Monbusho/Monbukagakusho grantees, though I do not consider myself as one of the “cream of the crop”. When I accepted the scholarship, I was not bound to any obligations, and that includes returning to Pinas ASAP to use the knowledge I would acquire after I finished. No promises made, no promises broken.

I do however, feel that I need to go home and in however small way I can, contribute to our nation’s development by applying what I learned here (the concept of the scholarship as you’ve said). But…things are not that easy.

After I finished my program I still wanted to go on with my studies (w/o Tito Mon’s blessing) so I applied for some private scholarships. I’m grateful for having received one although it was only enough to pay for my bills. I still had to do a lot of parttime work to pay for my tuition fees and apartment rent.

When I finally graduated, I decided to work here to be able to pay the debts (kulang ang kita sa baito + di maka-baito minsan habang gumagawa ng thesis) I’ve made as a student. It took me almost two years to settle that, while at the same time sending money back home. So I’m done with my personal debts. Now what? Next comes my family’s loans. That coupled with supporting a younger sibling to finish college would not leave anything for my own family. I only planned initially to work for three years and then go back. But like I said, things are not that easy. I need to save too before I do that. Alam naman nating lahat kung gaano kahirap ang buhay sa Pinas. Uuwi ka ba kung wala kang ipon? Nope. It’s like going to a battle without a gun. Or with a gun, but without bullets. I guess I need another three years. :frowning:

Any other ex-Mon here? What’s your story? Do you feel you have to go back too? Why or why not?

To mods: Sorry medyo out of topic. Can we have this moved please?

docomo

10-24-2005, 04:22 PM

. I need to save too before I do that. Alam naman nating lahat kung gaano kahirap ang buhay sa Pinas. Uuwi ka ba kung wala kang ipon? Nope. It’s like going to a battle without a gun. Or with a gun, but without bullets. I guess I need another three years. :frowning:

…wise decision dax :slight_smile:

v_wrangler

10-24-2005, 04:35 PM

I’d like to reiterate I have no quarrel whatsoever with student’s - As far as I know - the program was setup to allow students to acquire knowledge in Japan and use that for the betterment of the student’s home country (Quite idealistic in todays time). I am sure that was the idea - I do not know if that has changed due to the dwindling peso or current migration trends. If it was the latter - then something must be wrong with the system and if I have a vote - I’d want my taxmoney go elsewhere.

At 13Man to 17man a month stipends for each students - I soemtimes feel I’m in the wrong business.

Dax

10-24-2005, 04:48 PM

I am sure that was the idea - I do not know if that has changed due to the dwindling peso or current migration trends. If it was the latter - then something must be wrong with the system and if I have a vote - I’d want my taxmoney go elsewhere.

Yes that was the idea. What I wanted to correct was the notion of a certain “promise”. There was none, AFAIK. I will return though, someday when I’m ready.

Btw I’m now a taxpayer myself. :slight_smile: Ok lang sa akin na mapunta sa scholarships, kesa sa useless construction work, like the 1-oku en toilet in Hokkaido. :mad:

v_wrangler

10-24-2005, 04:55 PM

Yes that was the idea. What I wanted to correct was the notion of a certain “promise”. There was none, AFAIK. I will return though, someday when I’m ready.

Btw I’m now a taxpayer myself. :slight_smile: Ok lang sa akin na mapunta sa scholarships, kesa sa useless construction work, like the 1-oku en toilet in Hokkaido. :mad:

Hahaha! Things could have gone the other way around siguro if you gave that impression during the interview. I am glad you’re now with the tax populi but aren’t you going to withdraw tax/kenko hoken monies from uncle nihon when you finally decide to go home? :rolleyes:

Dax

10-24-2005, 05:06 PM

Hahaha! Things could have gone the other way around siguro if you gave that impression during the interview.

Siguro. But I wouldn’t really know coz I was only 18 back then. Wala naman kaming problema financially noon at wala akong idea sa mangyayari pagkatapos ng grant.

I am glad you’re now with the tax populi but aren’t you going to withdraw tax/kenko hoken monies from uncle nihon when you finally decide to go home? :rolleyes:
If I remember to apply, of course I will. It’s there to be availed of. How about you, will you not? :rolleyes:
Btw…
Uuwi ka ba kung wala kang ipon?

docomo

10-24-2005, 06:39 PM

Calm down, please. Take a deep breath and other members will get to you shortly.

I wonder nick how you say that line in person :slight_smile: kalmado din po ba :stuck_out_tongue:

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 01:46 PM

Siguro. But I wouldn’t really know coz I was only 18 back then. Wala naman kaming problema financially noon at wala akong idea sa mangyayari pagkatapos ng grant.

If I remember to apply, of course I will. It’s there to be availed of. How about you, will you not? :rolleyes:
Btw…

If I do then I have no right to make noises about where my taxes go.
Seriously, this is my home and so my family, so its just proper to pay my dues to the government.

hunky

10-26-2005, 01:57 PM

Wala na namang promises to be made in order to get a monbusho scholarship. Naalala ko na ang sabi lang sa akin na pagka-graduate ko eh “they hope” na bumalik ako sa pinas para magtrabaho. So depende na sa scholar 'yon. Iba-ibang klase ng scholarship, may iba na (kagaya mostly sa pinas) kailangang bayaran thru service or cash kung may trabaho ka na. Meron namang bahala ka na.

About monbusho? Sa tingin ko, although the embassy is suggesting for the scholars to go back home to the phil., siguro umaasa din ang japanese gov’t. na magtrabaho sa japan ang mga scholars para mapakinabangan din nila. I’m sure alam ng marami na umaasa din ang japan sa mga foreign talents (noon at hanggang ngayon). As a proof, nag-hire or import sila ng mga foreign teachers/experts/engineers/scientists noong Meji era for modernization. So history taught japan that foreign talents could be utilized for her (japan) own good. Kaya malamang walang strict rules (ambiguous) for reciprocation ang grants nila. Parang if a scholar went back to his/her home country then nakatulong ang japanese gov’t. (ok pa image nila), if the scholar worked in japan then nakatulong na sila, matutulungan pa sila. So di natin alam kung may ulterior motive ba ang japanese gov’t.

Medyo twisted siguro theory ko about japan’s ulterior motive of luring foreign talents to work in japan thru the monbusho scholarship but it’s worth contemplating for.:smiley:

Dax

10-26-2005, 03:40 PM

If I do then I have no right to make noises about where my taxes go.
Seriously, this is my home and so my family, so its just proper to pay my dues to the government.
Yes it’s proper to pay my dues, and that’s what I’m doing. :slight_smile:

And like I said when I go back, and IF I do remember to file for the lump sum withdrawal…I will because I am entitled to. That too is proper.

By the way, just in case you are thinking that the lump sum we are talking about is equivalent to all the taxes, insurance and pension fees one has paid - no it is not. So I stil have a right to disagree with the 1億トイレ in Hokkaido. :wink:

http://www.sia.go.jp/sodan/nenkin/kyufu_ans02.htm

Look under 「脱退一時金」. The amount that I would be able to receive will help in re-establishing my life in Pinas. Of course it wouldn’t be enough by itself so I will need some savings. That’s my second point on why I still stay even after finishing my studies, which I don’t think you are getting. (My first point was: there is no promise to return ASAP.)

So, let me ask you again for the third time: Uuwi ka ba kung wala kang ipon? :confused:

amazona

10-26-2005, 03:55 PM

kasi ito lang ang tangi kong paraan para makasama kong magulang ko dito sa japan nandito na kasi ang family ko step father ko ay ponjap wala na akong pamilyang uuwian sa pnas 21 years old na ako hindi na daw ako pwedeng ampunin ng step father ko dahil otona na ako.mahirap mabuhay dito sa japan lalo na 3 months pa lang ako dito pero mas mahirap sa pnas malayo kana sa family mo mahirap pang makakita ng job.ayoko na kasing malayo sa family ko at mula na naging tao ako nag jajapan na ang nanay ko us a talent kaya gusto ko sana na mag stay dito at makapag aral may iba pa po ba kayong alam na paraan para mkapag stay pa ako dito kasama ang pamilya ko maliban sa student or kekkon visa :frowning:

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 04:10 PM

I am sorry, I feel I raffled some feathers here - and I do not like any hostilites beyond the smilies. They take too much time and I don’t have the patience to write my butt out.

Anyways, I also do not agree with the ichiyoku toilet you were mentioning - I wasn’t aware and my limited knowledge about it - and so with how the schlarships work - so I’d rather beg off.

Go ahead with the refund as the law provides for it - You were asking if I will do the same, Unfortunately I am not interested about it - as I mentioned, this is the place I live and so my families, it would be improper to do such a thing when the country and its people gave me the opportunity to have a second home.

Going back to the scholarships - its your call. I was just saying I wasnt happy with how I perceive its being used by some people.

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 04:13 PM

kasi ito lang ang tangi kong paraan para makasama kong magulang ko dito sa japan nandito na kasi ang family ko step father ko ay ponjap wala na akong pamilyang uuwian sa pnas 21 years old na ako hindi na daw ako pwedeng ampunin ng step father ko dahil otona na ako.mahirap mabuhay dito sa japan lalo na 3 months pa lang ako dito pero mas mahirap sa pnas malayo kana sa family mo mahirap pang makakita ng job.ayoko na kasing malayo sa family ko at mula na naging tao ako nag jajapan na ang nanay ko us a talent kaya gusto ko sana na mag stay dito at makapag aral may iba pa po ba kayong alam na paraan para mkapag stay pa ako dito kasama ang pamilya ko maliban sa student or kekkon visa :frowning:

Aplogogies amazona - medyo nalihis tayo. NOw I get it. While I may have no answer right now. Research muna natin ha. Stay ka lang diyan, I’m sure the good people of TF can share their experiences…

Again pasensya ka na. get back to you.

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 04:21 PM

You didnt mention kung anong visa ang hawak ng iyong magulang. So based on your post - I would assume na meron ang iyong nanay na spousal visa o kaya PR. Kung PR yon siguro mas madali dahil pwede ka niya siguro i-sponsor as a dependent. So you become a daughter/son of a Permanent Resident. You just have to establish proof of your relationship with your mother. How long ba ikaw mag-stay dito? What is your educational background - I’m asking so that those who might be able to help you with employment (another way to acquire permission to stay) can give their advice.

Dax

10-26-2005, 04:23 PM

amazona,

Read ganda_girl89 and Ayara’s posts sa simula nitong thread.

may iba pa po ba kayong alam na paraan para mkapag stay pa ako dito kasama ang pamilya ko maliban sa student or kekkon visa
Working visa lang ang alam ko besides those two, sa case mo. Na-mention na din nila Ayara ang tungkol dyan. Good luck!

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