Timog Forum not liberal?

gabby

10-23-2005, 11:49 PM

Tanong ko lang if you marry someone with permanent visa status, will it be possible na mabigyan ang mapapangasawa niya ng visa. And what are the points just in case? Thanks again.

Tanong ko rin po kung okay. Ano ho ba ang aasawahin nyo yung visa o ang taong may visa.:slight_smile:

Note: This thread was split from logical’s Marrying a Permanent Visa Holder (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117 2).

lenske

10-24-2005, 01:35 AM

@gabby…u are absolutely right…yan ang dapat na itanong:D

nick

10-24-2005, 02:07 AM

gabby and lenske, I don’t think those are appropriate things to say. Please watch your language.

lenske

10-24-2005, 04:55 PM

gabby and lenske, I don’t think those are appropriate things to say. Please watch your language.

Sorry po:D di naman maiwasan ang ganoong question kasi di naman clear yong story nya eh…at saka marami na ring ganyan.

janieserq

10-24-2005, 10:35 PM

Tanong ko rin po kung okay. Ano ho ba ang aasawahin nyo yung visa o ang taong may visa.:slight_smile:

Oo:bouncy: Oo uuuch ooops:skull: gabby and lenske though i heard there are some doing those things just to get a visa but i can assure you in our case its the other way around!:grinny:

gabby

10-24-2005, 11:26 PM

gabby and lenske, I don’t think those are appropriate things to say. Please watch your language.

Hello Nick. Thanks for the PM. Really appreciate it. I do understand your point. However I would like to express my disappointment about this forum. It seems to me that this forum lacks the basic element which is the absence of high level discussion, because you stifle any hint of mature postings. Remember in a public forum it is an opportunity for someone to express himself fully. In my book the moderator’s job is to make a man out of anyone who wants to be heard. Why don’t we just let them think on their own feet? I mean all of us here are adults no one here is perhaps underage.

I know that sometimes I get personal but it is not for the purpose of humiliating or to debase certain personality in this Forum. As you have noticed I tried to winkle out an issue that we think is embarrasing but is not. I know where to draw the line between decency and diabolical commentary.

Let’s take a look at the posting of logic. He did not make himself clear from the beginning. Which led me to post the immediate impression I had on his inquiry. Why don’t we just face it squarely with some degree of maturity that this visa thing causes people to think unfavourable opinion. Like in my case I know that some people think of me that now that I’ve got my PR visa it is only a matter of time for me to divorse my wife.

I know you mean well but honestly I feel like I am back again in a Catholic university in the Philippines. Don’t you think that maybe it is about time to raise the level of this forum. That since we are ‘IN ABROAD’ we should really stop thinking like as if we are still in the Philippines. Like a typical ‘magbobolahan lang tayo’? Na we should never ask the obvious folly because we don’t want him to get up-set. How are we going to grow up then? Pakikisama trait is not really my forte. No matter if it will cause me my promotion or my job to the extent.

I wish V-wrangler is one of the moderators here. He is unbelievably matured and liberal. So is Crispee. Not that the moderators here are not. I know you are just acting through the complains against my postings. I am so sorry for giving you trouble gentlemen. I will try to be in my best behaviour.

Truly really thank you Nick. Hope you didn’t mind giving a piece of my mind to this forum. Don’t worry I’ll heed your admonition, not for our loss but for others who are like crying babies and what it is? Onion skin?:stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

ganda_girl89

10-25-2005, 12:32 AM

Hello Nick. Thanks for the PM. Really appreciate it. I do understand your point. However I would like to express my disappointment about this forum. It seems to me that this forum lacks the basic element which is the absence of high level discussion, because you stifle any hint of mature postings.

hi gabby.
if you want a mature postings with high level discussions,why dont you start your own thread and topic.
u see,simple na how to yung question ng nagtanong at medyo malayo ang reply post mo sa post nya(pwede na sigurong sabihin post hijack yun).dapat din natin kasing intindihin ang feeling ng nagtatanong at mga visitors na bumabasa sa mga posts natin.

Remember in a public forum it is an opportunity for someone to express himself fully. In my book the moderator’s job is to make a man out of anyone who wants to be heard. Why don’t we just let them think on their own feet? I mean all of us here are adults no one here is perhaps underage.

yun nga po,adults tayo halos dito kaya we should act as respectfull as we can to other posters.

I know that sometimes I get personal but it is not for the purpose of humiliating or to debase certain personality in this Forum. As you have noticed I tried to winkle out an issue that we think is embarrasing but is not. I know where to draw the line between decency and diabolical commentary.

its not your purpose to humiliate others but you can be more tactful siguro para ma-keep natin ang magandang samahan at discussions dito sa TF.
kung ikaw ang pakitaan ng ganoon>>>halimabawa,magkakaha lubilo tayo at nag didiscuss about visa,then somebody will join our discussion at tanungin ka,hey gabby,pinakasalan mo ba yung japanese wife mo dahil sa **** nya or sa ******* mo sa kanya or maybe pinakasalan ka ba ng wife mo dahil ******?you can ignore him siguro and keep your poise and composure but admit it or not, kahit paano maii-iritate ka di ba?
my point is,kung pwedeng iwasan na makagawa ng ganoong nakaka offend na comments—iwasan na lang natin po.

Let’s take a look at the posting of logic. He did not make himself clear from the beginning. Which led me to post the immediate impression I had on his inquiry.

i think,he made himself clear kung ang question ang titingnan…simple question na kung pwede ba o hindi ang tanong nya(i guess bitin ka sa chika sa post nya…lolss).if he didnt made himself clear,you can always ask him in a more decent way po.

Why don’t we just face it squarely with some degree of maturity that this visa thing causes people to think unfavourable opinion. Like in my case I know that some people think of me that now that I’ve got my PR visa it is only a matter of time for me to divorse my wife.

wala naman po sigurong nag-iisip nun…baka kayo lang or may pinaplano kayo…

I know you mean well but honestly I feel like I am back again in a Catholic university in the Philippines. Don’t you think that maybe it is about time to raise the level of this forum. That since we are ‘IN ABROAD’ we should really stop thinking like as if we are still in the Philippines. Like a typical ‘magbobolahan lang tayo’? Na we should never ask the obvious folly because we don’t want him to get up-set. How are we going to grow up then? Pakikisama trait is not really my forte. No matter if it will cause me my promotion or my job to the extent.

I wish V-wrangler is one of the moderators here. He is unbelievably matured and liberal. So is Crispee. Not that the moderators here are not. I know you are just acting through the complains against my postings. I am so sorry for giving you trouble gentlemen. I will try to be in my best behaviour.

Truly really thank you Nick. Hope you didn’t mind giving a piece of my mind to this forum. Don’t worry I’ll heed your admonition, not for our loss but for others who are like crying babies and what it is? Onion skin?:stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

janieserq

10-25-2005, 12:53 AM

Hey ganda_girl89 awat na ang puso mo hehehe:p

Nakakatuwa tong forum na to di mo nakikilala ang mga tao dito personally, but u’ll gonna know them by the way they posts…:smiley:

Love you girl:cool: :slight_smile: :stuck_out_tongue:

docomo

10-25-2005, 01:17 AM

Words are easily spoken and quickly typed …the effect they can have is much more lasting … We “members” of this forum should know that and consider our actions more carefully before running off … This is a place where a meaningful discussion can take place…I know and I am not trying to restrict the more controversial co-members of this forum nor am I trying to change them …In fact I welcome them,because despite their accidic comments ,they are some of the most intelligent members of this board…If we could just simply follow the rules prior to posting or at least the section which the topic pertains to,it will keep the forum objective … sigh

logical

10-25-2005, 07:15 AM

My fellow TF members:

Konting Cool lang. First, thanks sa mga reply and second I am not offended sa mga remarks ni gabby and lenske, its their own opinion, and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, besides ang opinion nila ay hindi naman opinion ng lahat dito sa TF. Nasa akin na lang yun kung mapipikon ako sa mga words nila, but i’m not. And to Sir Nick, thanks for your concern. We can’t also blame gabby and lenske for their words kasi marami din ako nababalitaan na marami sa mga kababayan natin na kaya lang nagpapakasal just to be secured, kaya ayun di successful ang marriage at nauuwi din sa divorce.

Thanks anyway

gabby

10-25-2005, 09:30 AM

gandagurl wrote:
u see,simple na how to yung question ng nagtanong at medyo malayo ang reply post mo sa post nya(pwede na sigurong sabihin post hijack yun).dapat din natin kasing intindihin ang feeling ng nagtatanong at mga visitors na bumabasa sa mga posts natin.

I don’t really see how different was my answer! If you look at my post once again my dear I said if it was alright to also ask a question and the question was related to what was posted. well, some people are not as dull as you. Some people want action and some sense of humour. Internet forum such as this is sort of socialising with others and you just have got to keep your wits about you especially when a strange faceless moron pops round and teases you. Ain’t it right?

ganda gurl wrote
yun nga po,adults tayo halos dito kaya we should act as respectfull as we can to other posters.

I don’t get it. I wasn’t disrespectful. I was just trying to speak the unspeakable heh he he :stuck_out_tongue:

ganda gurl wrote
its not your purpose to humiliate others but you can be more tactful siguro para ma-keep natin ang magandang samahan at discussions dito sa TF.
kung ikaw ang pakitaan ng ganoon>>>halimabawa,magkakaha lubilo tayo at nag didiscuss about visa,then somebody will join our discussion at tanungin ka,hey gabby,pinakasalan mo ba yung japanese wife mo dahil sa **** nya or sa ******* mo sa kanya or maybe pinakasalan ka ba ng wife mo dahil ******?you can ignore him siguro and keep your poise and composure but admit it or not, kahit paano maii-iritate ka di ba?
my point is,kung pwedeng iwasan na makagawa ng ganoong nakaka offend na comments—iwasan na lang natin po.

Try me ganda gurl I don’t take offense if someone would ask me that. I am very much aware of that. I will be glad if I had to be asked of that. It will be an opportunity for me to debunk that notion of a gaijin marrying a Japanese for visa. You see the beauty of being an adult and mature person is to take issues and rationalize them instead of getting annoyed and act like a child and magsusumbong sa mommy kaagad. Got it???

gandagurl wrote
i think,he made himself clear kung ang question ang titingnan…simple question na kung pwede ba o hindi ang tanong nya(i guess bitin ka sa chika sa post nya…lolss).if he didnt made himself clear,you can always ask him in a more decent way po.

If I had had to make that question especially if it is a new thread I would have to give a background so people wont misinterpret my thread.

gandagurl wrote
wala naman po sigurong nag-iisip nun…baka kayo lang or may pinaplano kayo…

Well, not probably you. Obviously you are not the only person in this planet are you?

gabby

10-25-2005, 09:46 AM

My fellow TF members:

Konting Cool lang. First, thanks sa mga reply and second I am not offended sa mga remarks ni gabby and lenske, its their own opinion, and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, besides ang opinion nila ay hindi naman opinion ng lahat dito sa TF. Nasa akin na lang yun kung mapipikon ako sa mga words nila, but i’m not. And to Sir Nick, thanks for your concern. We can’t also blame gabby and lenske for their words kasi marami din ako nababalitaan na marami sa mga kababayan natin na kaya lang nagpapakasal just to be secured, kaya ayun di successful ang marriage at nauuwi din sa divorce.

Thanks anyway

EXACTLY!! I couldn’t agree for more. :slight_smile: We should never get annoyed when we are ask about it especially when our intention is not really for visa.

Cheers mate!

docomo

10-25-2005, 11:28 AM

EXACTLY!! I couldn’t agree for more. :slight_smile: We should never get annoyed when we are ask about it especially when our intention is not really for visa.

Cheers mate!

basta! you still owe an apology to mr logical(gabby :bonk:)… mind you din, not all people have the same thingking/reaction like mr logical … ( mamaya lahat na lang birahan mo po ng mga ganyang katanungan ) :stuck_out_tongue:

ganda_girl89

10-25-2005, 09:47 PM

EXACTLY!! I couldn’t agree for more. :slight_smile: We should never get annoyed when we are ask about it especially when our intention is not really for visa.

Cheers mate!

if hindi na-offend si logical,then thats good for him pero as ive said yesterday,pati mga readers ay maaring na ma-offend sa isang rude na post na tulad ng post mo…tulad ko at yung mga posters na nagsabi sa pm na rude ang post mo.
if you called us onion skins,then let we call carabao skin.thats really my point…iba-iba ang skin natin na mga posters dito kaya dapat may maging maingat at tactful ang bawat isa.

now para wag ng humaba masyado ang discussion natin,tutal na-warning ka na ng administrator na di appropriate ang mga sinasabi mo—sumunod ka na lang sa advise nya at baka ma ban ka na dito sa susunod…and sa post reply mo,sinabi mo na you will heed his admonition—tuparin mo na lang para makita namin na mga posters dito na meron kang word of honor at hindi puro words lang.

lastly,sinabi mo na yung mga mods are not acting by themeselves but acting only to accomodate complains from your post,i refuse to agree,sir gabby…thats a big insult to their intelligence.
FYI,ang TF ay may ‘‘report a bad post’’ feature.lahat tayo dito ay may right at free na magreport ng isang bad post kung inaakala natin na bad yun.ngunit pero datapwat,sir gabby,nasa mods pa din ang last decision kung ire-reprimand ka nila sa na-report na bad post mo.
of course,ia-assess nila and kung may merit ang complain or may reason ba talaga para i-complain ang post saka finally magde-decide.kung auto relay (as in robotics ang mga mods na basta na lang susunod sa report)ang feature na yun at di na pinagiisipan ng mods,walng kwenta di ba?
if ayaw mong maniwala,let me challenge you.AFAIK,di ako nagpo-post ng rude sa board…now,pumili ka sa kahit anong posts ko at i-report mo na bad post,lets see kung auto relay lang ang function ng RABP feature ng TF or nag-aasess talaga ang mga mods sa mga complains.
yun lang po.last post ko na to sa thread na ito.

ps.
since,last post ko na to sa thread na to kaya remind na lang kita ulit na sumunod sa advise sa iyo na watch your language at baka nga ma ban ka na sa susunod.sayang pag na ban ka,may PR permit ka nga,di ka nmn makapag post sa TF.secondly,tuparin mo yung sabi mo na admonition thing sa post mo.

peace tayo,sir gabby!

to the mods and other members,forgive me kung may nai-post o nasabi ako na over sa position ko as a member of timogdotcom.i just want a more peaceful and more friendly TF for all of us…and i did my share according to my own judgement and belief.
thank you ladies and gentlemen!

crister

10-25-2005, 10:42 PM

@logical
very nice gesture…kitang kita ang maturity.

Is this Forum not Liberal?
dahil tuloy dito komunsulta muna ako kay mareng Webster (bale ba kakatapos kolang kausapin si pareng Doro)

Liberal - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded

syempre NOT means kabaligtaran…becau se of this binalikan ko ulit ang Forum Rules…and I mainly focused on the Forum Objective:

“We started this website because we wanted a place where Filipinos in Japan can meet, share their experiences and help each other out. Specifically, we wanted a place where Filipinos who don’t speak Japanese can get assistance from those who do. Today, Timog Forum has grown into a community website where people talk freely about almost any topic they find interesting.”

Honestly speaking, nung nabasa ko ang post nila gabby at lenske , medyo nagtaka ako kasi kaya nga nagtanong si logical ay para humingi ng opinion base sa experience ng ibang member.

after reading other members opinion and discussions ang masasabi ko lang eh ganito :

“Sorry po di naman maiwasan ang ganoong question kasi di naman clear yong story nya eh…at saka marami na ring ganyan.”
my comment : pwede naman kasi tayong sumagot nang, “Pwede po ba pakipaliwanag or please explain more fully regarding your situation?” kasi you already jumped to a conclusion rather than manaig ang pagtulong. also KARAMIHAN naman pala eh…malayo naman siguro sa PANGKALAHATAN.

“However I would like to express my disappointment
about this forum. It seems to me that this forum lacks the basic element which
is the absence of high level discussion, because you stifle any hint of mature
postings.”
comment : Sa pagkakaalam ko , ang isang Forum ay itinayo para ma-meet ang objective nito, kaya kung mapapansin siguro natin, halos majority of the Forum Sections are related to living in Japan and How can WE FILIPINOS help each other dito sa land ng mga Hapon. So i cannot visualize the point of increasing the level of discussion to a higher level since HELPING and GIVING SUPPORT to each other ang purpose ng discussion …plus of course adding humour to our everyday life here in Japan.

“Let’s take a look at the posting of logic. He did not make himself
clear from the beginning. Which led me to post the immediate impression
I had on his inquiry. Why don’t we just face it squarely with
some degree of maturity that this visa thing causes people to
think unfavourable opinion.”

same as my comment above… why do we have to jumped to a conclusion rather than asking the thread starter to explain his situation more further…

regarding MATURITY about this visa thing, i am not aware kung ano man ang mga nangyayari sa iba nating kababayan with regards to marrying the visa and not the person but we must be MATURED enough in handling and analyzing every members post prior to any comment.
" Tanong ko rin po kung okay. Ano ho ba ang aasawahin nyo yung visa o ang taong may visa."
mabuti na lang at matured si logical in understanding your question…kasi ang salitang “aasawahin” sa TAGALOG eh hindi maganda sa pandinig, i know that you HATE TAGALOG kaya di ka pa sanay gumamit nito…kung napatapat sa ibang nagpost maaari sigurong magalit pag nabasa ang post mo.

“some people are not as dull as you”
comment : how about maturity…saan na napunta? you are already 36 years old and talking to a 26 years old

“Some people want action and some sense of humour”
comment : you are correct, however bakit sa original thread nauna yata ang humour…please take note na sa most of the Posts sa Visa and Consular Matters Section is all about action …serious actions…hindi nauuna ang humour…kung sa ibang section siguro di ako magugulat sa response ng iba…

i have joined many forums and it is normal na magkaroon ng ganitong discussions and argument…bihira rin ako ma-involve sa mga comment pero wala naman mawawala sa akin this time .Since hindi ako masyado aware kung ano man ang pamumuhay ng karamihan dito sa japan kaya pagpasensyahan nyo na kung may nasabi akong hindi nyo matatanggap…of course we are on a FREE BOARD Discussion…anythin g goes kumbaga…pero sana MANAIG pa rin ang OBJECTIVE ng Forum…:wink:

nick

10-25-2005, 10:47 PM

Hello Nick. Thanks for the PM. Really appreciate it. I do understand your point. However I would like to express my disappointment about this forum. It seems to me that this forum lacks the basic element which is the absence of high level discussion, because you stifle any hint of mature postings. Remember in a public forum it is an opportunity for someone to express himself fully. In my book the moderator’s job is to make a man out of anyone who wants to be heard. Why don’t we just let them think on their own feet? I mean all of us here are adults no one here is perhaps underage.I’m sorry, gabby, but Timog Forum is not the place “for someone to express himself fully”; that is not the objective of Timog Forum at all. The goal of Timog Forum is to be “useful” (as stated in the Rules and Guidelines). We set up Timog Forum because we wanted a place in the Internet where Filipinos can meet, where someone who owns a PC can ask a question and get a quick answer, where anyone who knows no Japanese can request a translation, where people can share pictures, announcements and experiences.

People can certainly argue and debate in Timog Forum. There have been a number of heated discussions in the forums and we largely stay off of them, as long as the postings stay reasonably tolerable. It might comfort you to know that we don’t enjoy telling people how to behave at all; that is work for us. My job is not to “make a man out of anyone who wants to be heard”; my job is to keep the forum in order, so even people who don’t have the inclination (or skill) to engage in heated exchanges can still participate in the forum (even by just asking questions).

You mentioned “high level discussions”; I don’t think your comments to logical’s questions are really the kind that would spur a high of level of discussion, do you?

I know you mean well but honestly I feel like I am back again in a Catholic university in the Philippines. Don’t you think that maybe it is about time to raise the level of this forum. That since we are ‘IN ABROAD’ we should really stop thinking like as if we are still in the Philippines. Like a typical ‘magbobolahan lang tayo’? Na we should never ask the obvious folly because we don’t want him to get up-set. How are we going to grow up then? Pakikisama trait is not really my forte. No matter if it will cause me my promotion or my job to the extent. Sadly, if you think “nagbobolahan lang ang mga tao” in Timog Forum or “pakikisama” is not your forte, then you’d be better off doing something else. I really can’t help you with that. And it is precisely the fact that we are in Japan and not in the Philippines that we should learn to be mindful of others, observe the manners of the shakaijin, and be polite to a fault (what you call “pakikisama”).

I wish V-wrangler is one of the moderators here. He is unbelievably matured and liberal. So is Crispee. Not that the moderators here are not. I know you are just acting through the complains against my postings. I am so sorry for giving you trouble gentlemen. I will try to be in my best behaviour. I’m sure v wrangler and crispee are decent, open-minded fellows and would probably make fine moderators. What I’m not sure is if they’d let your post pass without comment especially when others have complained about it.

Finally, here’s your comment to ganda girl:

well, some people are not as dull as you.This is the way to “raise the level of this forum”? I’m sorry, gabby, I don’t quite get your message.

gabby

10-26-2005, 08:48 AM

Liberal - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded

Honestly speaking, nung nabasa ko ang post nila gabby at lenske , medyo nagtaka ako kasi kaya nga nagtanong si logical ay para humingi ng opinion base sa experience ng ibang member.

= And my question was based on the fact that there are Filipinos who married a Japanese or
a PR visa holder to make their stay here legal. I was not jumping to a conclusion.

my comment : pwede naman kasi tayong sumagot nang, “Pwede po ba pakipaliwanag or please explain more fully regarding your situation?” kasi you already jumped to a conclusion rather than manaig ang pagtulong. also KARAMIHAN naman pala eh…malayo naman siguro sa PANGKALAHATAN.

= Different folks different strokes. Same as what I said above,I wasn’t judgmental. I was posing a question based on fact not a hearsay.

comment : Sa pagkakaalam ko , ang isang Forum ay itinayo para ma-meet ang objective nito, kaya kung mapapansin siguro natin, halos majority of the Forum Sections are related to living in Japan and How can WE FILIPINOS help each other dito sa land ng mga Hapon. So i cannot visualize the point of increasing the level of discussion to a higher level since HELPING and GIVING SUPPORT to each other ang purpose ng discussion …plus of course adding humour to our everyday life here in Japan.

=Then why made the fuss about what I asked? Come to think of it Crister, my question was part of a package to help. A 60% possibility that a PR visa holder is a Filipino, and the person who wants to marry, for all we know, is just out to get his/her stay in Japan legal. People will do everything to escape from a poverty stricken and chaotic country. Help is precious. Surely you don’t want to throw your gold to the pig. Do you? With a screaming data on hand, don’t you think it pays off to be more circumspect in your desire to help?

same as my comment above… why do we have to jumped to a conclusion rather than asking the thread starter to explain his situation more further…

= Same as my comment above. I wasn’t judgmental. A question is ask for clarification not jumping to a conlusion. All indication is pointing out that it’s you who are jumping to a conclusion.

regarding MATURITY about this visa thing, i am not aware kung ano man ang mga nangyayari sa iba nating kababayan with regards to marrying the visa and not the person but we must be MATURED enough in handling and analyzing every members post prior to any comment.

=The question was matured enough to be asked and again was not a comment. Tsk tsk tsk. . you got it wrong Crister. I care for what others feel including the party who might be taken for a ride.

mabuti na lang at matured si logical in understanding your question

= Yeah! Just as what I expected. If you put forward an inquiry as sensitive as marrying to PR visa holder in order to get your stay legal you should should assume for the worse possible thoughts it conjures.

…kasi ang salitang “aasawahin” sa TAGALOG eh hindi maganda sa pandinig, i know that you HATE TAGALOG kaya di ka pa sanay gumamit nito…kung napatapat sa ibang nagpost maaari sigurong magalit pag nabasa ang post mo.

= Oh! Come on mate. Don’t play politics with me. Get off your high horse will you!

comment : how about maturity…saan na napunta? you are already 36 years old and talking to a 26 years old

=HUH!??? What is that supposed to mean? Surely you are not saying that maturity is all about age aren’t you? Am I talking to someone with an unaffected confidence? GEE! People are really nuts!

comment : you are correct, however bakit sa original thread nauna yata ang humour…please take note na sa most of the Posts sa Visa and Consular Matters Section is all about action …serious actions…hindi nauuna ang humour…kung sa ibang section siguro di ako magugulat sa response ng iba…

= I don’t have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

= If you don’t know ’ ang pamumuhay nang mga kababayan mo dito sa Japan’ then why bother to comment on something you know nothing about? You are not a cut above the rest Crister.

gabby

10-26-2005, 09:41 AM

Hello Nick! How are you today? I really love to discuss with you about what you said about me. We are adult here right? So no one is getting kick out just because we differ in our opinions and views. Isn’t it right mate?

let’s begin:
“for someone to express himself fully”

= so what is a forum then? Isn’t it to talk about problem or matters of public interest? When you blurt out a problem both its cause and effect and in the course of verbal exchanges, doesn’t it called expression? When you express,communicate don’t you use words? When you want to solve a problem don’t we ask for clarification,its purpose and motive? When you solve a problem it might be possible for it to create another problem as the saying goes; when you pick up the end of a stick you also pick the other end of the stick.

; that is not the objective of Timog Forum at all. The goal of Timog Forum is to be “useful” (as stated in the Rules and Guidelines). We set up Timog Forum because we wanted a place in the Internet where Filipinos can meet, where someone who owns a PC can ask a question and get a quick answer, where anyone who knows no Japanese can request a translation, where people can share pictures, announcements and experiences.

= That is exactly the point of my question to Logical. Why do we rush to give an advise when only later another soul end up in misery with her trust will be violently violated? My question was not a conclusion but base on fact. In my humble opinion, if I were to marry someone, given the legal status of my stay in Japan, and if I was really in-love with her I will never ever worry if I will be given a visa to stay or not. I will never dare to go forward in public to inquire if it is possible to get or how to get visa, doing so just gives rise to suspicion.

People can certainly argue and debate in Timog Forum. There have been a number of heated discussions in the forums and we largely stay off of them, as long as the postings stay reasonably tolerable. It might comfort you to know that we don’t enjoy telling people how to behave at all; that is work for us. My job is not to “make a man out of anyone who wants to be heard”; my job is to keep the forum in order, so even people who don’t have the inclination (or skill) to engage in heated exchanges can still participate in the forum (even by just asking questions).

=I never doubt that Nick. I know you mean well. My question was not indecent. It beats me why you gang up on me.

You mentioned “high level discussions”; I don’t think your comments to logical’s questions are really the kind that would spur a high of level of discussion, do you?

= Oh yes I do Nick. I want to expose the evil intension of some individuals who are really out to make their stay in Japan legal by marrying someone who has that means. These people gave my marriage to my wife and others here in Japan A BAD NAME? Do you read that? A BAD NAME! I want to unmask it. And of course the other possiblity that will just make other people misserable by living in a marriage without actually love.

Sadly, if you think “nagbobolahan lang ang mga tao” in Timog Forum or “pakikisama” is not your forte, then you’d be better off doing something else. I really can’t help you with that. And it is precisely the fact that we are in Japan and not in the Philippines that we should learn to be mindful of others, observe the manners of the shakaijin, and be polite to a fault (what you call “pakikisama”).

= It is the desire to help by posing that question to Logical. What is the meaning of help if in the future someone is suffering by living in a marriage without love because it was only for her visa. Of course it is not necessarily with the case of Logical.

I’m sure v wrangler and crispee are decent, open-minded fellows and would probably make fine moderators. What I’m not sure is if they’d let your post pass without comment especially when others have complained about it.

=It was just a wish. I was not speaking for them.

Finally, here’s your comment to ganda girl:

This is the way to “raise the level of this forum”? I’m sorry, gabby, I don’t quite get your
message.[/quote]

= Dull Nick means boring. It is not a Filipino english in meaning. Heh he he he. . . Ang gulo-gulo ninyong kausap.:stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

gabby

10-26-2005, 10:01 AM

if hindi na-offend si logical,then thats good for him pero as ive said yesterday,pati mga readers ay maaring na ma-offend sa isang rude na post na tulad ng post mo…tulad ko at yung mga posters na nagsabi sa pm na rude ang post mo.
if you called us onion skins,then let we call carabao skin.thats really my point…iba-iba ang skin natin na mga posters dito kaya dapat may maging maingat at tactful ang bawat isa.

now para wag ng humaba masyado ang discussion natin,tutal na-warning ka na ng administrator na di appropriate ang mga sinasabi mo—sumunod ka na lang sa advise nya at baka ma ban ka na dito sa susunod…and sa post reply mo,sinabi mo na you will heed his admonition—tuparin mo na lang para makita namin na mga posters dito na meron kang word of honor at hindi puro words lang.

lastly,sinabi mo na yung mga mods are not acting by themeselves but acting only to accomodate complains from your post,i refuse to agree,sir gabby…thats a big insult to their intelligence.
FYI,ang TF ay may ‘‘report a bad post’’ feature.lahat tayo dito ay may right at free na magreport ng isang bad post kung inaakala natin na bad yun.ngunit pero datapwat,sir gabby,nasa mods pa din ang last decision kung ire-reprimand ka nila sa na-report na bad post mo.
of course,ia-assess nila and kung may merit ang complain or may reason ba talaga para i-complain ang post saka finally magde-decide.kung auto relay (as in robotics ang mga mods na basta na lang susunod sa report)ang feature na yun at di na pinagiisipan ng mods,walng kwenta di ba?
if ayaw mong maniwala,let me challenge you.AFAIK,di ako nagpo-post ng rude sa board…now,pumili ka sa kahit anong posts ko at i-report mo na bad post,lets see kung auto relay lang ang function ng RABP feature ng TF or nag-aasess talaga ang mga mods sa mga complains.
yun lang po.last post ko na to sa thread na ito.

ps.
since,last post ko na to sa thread na to kaya remind na lang kita ulit na sumunod sa advise sa iyo na watch your language at baka nga ma ban ka na sa susunod.sayang pag na ban ka,may PR permit ka nga,di ka nmn makapag post sa TF.secondly,tuparin mo yung sabi mo na admonition thing sa post mo.

peace tayo,sir gabby!

to the mods and other members,forgive me kung may nai-post o nasabi ako na over sa position ko as a member of timogdotcom.i just want a more peaceful and more friendly TF for all of us…and i did my share according to my own judgement and belief.
thank you ladies and gentlemen!

SIR YOURSELF!! Ano ba ganda gurl! Bat ka nanakot? Nawawala na iyung ganda mo ah! Relaks ka lang ayaw mo pa no;ng ginawa ko pinagtangol ko lang yung mga sisters mo sa mga potential manloloko para makatigil lang sa Japan. Itong hint ko ha. Pag-ako in-love sa babaeng may visa Japan, I will never ever worry kung magka-visa man ako o hindi. I will pack it in, take my loving woman and heed back to the Philippines. We are not Japanese anyway. So chill out girl. Ano? gusto mo kita tayo ipakilala kita sa asawa at anak ko!

rainer2005

10-26-2005, 11:43 AM

= Oh yes I do Nick. I want to expose the evil intension of some individuals who are really out to make their stay in Japan legal by marrying someone who has that means. These people gave my marriage to my wife and others here in Japan A BAD NAME? Do you read that? A BAD NAME! I want to unmask it. And of course the other possiblity that will just make other people misserable by living in a marriage without actually love.

gabby,

we just knew that you have a crusade against our kababayans who marry japanese citizens or visa holders to have their stay in japan extended.pls be advise to do your crusade somewhere else and not here at TF.you and your crusade are not welcome here as its not one of the purposes why TF was created.

if they marry somebody so they can stay in japan,well thats out of your business.if you claim that they give your marriage with a japanese national a bad name,then thats your opinion.your opinion is not everybodys opinion.

how about you? hindi rin ba stable ang visa mo at kinailangan mo pang kumuha ng spouse visa before your permanent residency sa jpn?ano ba ang visa mo before your spouse to a japanese national visa?
hey look whos talking here.ano ba ang kaibahan mo sa mga kababayan natin na nag asawa din ng mga japanese natoinals? is it not the same path? is there something special about your case at ganyan ka ka rude magsalita?di ba pareho lang?your japanese spouse sponsored your spouse visa before and then acted as your sponsor in your permanent residency application?ano ang kaibahan?you will tell us na nain-love kayo kaya nagpakasal?who knows,anong malay mo sa case ng iba,maybe nain-love din sila kaya wag mo ng pakialaman yun.
c`mon ,man…malayo na ang mga pinagsasabi mo sa mga reply mo.be humble.practice more humility.

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 12:34 PM

gabby,

we just knew that you have a crusade against our kababayans who marry japanese citizens or visa holders to have their stay in japan extended.pls be advise to do your crusade somewhere else and not here at TF.you and your crusade are not welcome here as its not one of the purposes why TF was created.

if they marry somebody so they can stay in japan,well thats out of your business.if you claim that they give your marriage with a japanese national a bad name,then thats your opinion.your opinion is not everybodys opinion.

how about you? hindi rin ba stable ang visa mo at kinailangan mo pang kumuha ng spouse visa before your permanent residency sa jpn?ano ba ang visa mo before your spouse to a japanese national visa?
hey look whos talking here.ano ba ang kaibahan mo sa mga kababayan natin na nag asawa din ng mga japanese natoinals? is it not the same path? is there something special about your case at ganyan ka ka rude magsalita?di ba pareho lang?your japanese spouse sponsored your spouse visa before and then acted as your sponsor in your permanent residency application?ano ang kaibahan?you will tell us na nain-love kayo kaya nagpakasal?who knows,anong malay mo sa case ng iba,maybe nain-love din sila kaya wag mo ng pakialaman yun.
c`mon ,man…malayo na ang mga pinagsasabi mo sa mga reply mo.be humble.practice more humility.
Sasabat lang ako ng konti - medyo mahaba yong thread di ko mabasa lahat dahil konti lang yong oras ko - Ranier, - you are about to join the club di ba? A better stance might be to look at it from another viewpoint also - you would be surprised to know you might learn a thing or two from Gabby’s experiences…or perhaps mine…:slight_smile:

While emotion from the outside was gangin up on the poor guy, logical who started it all with a question was already saying “no harm done” and keeping it cool… Think about it. :rolleyes:

Where’s chibi when you need him … her…

DJchot

10-26-2005, 12:38 PM

pa butt-in na rin…

may point naman si gabby e. ang problema lang, direct hit lang yung banat ni gabby.

totoo nman na if you really love the person you want to marry, why worry kung magkaka visa ka or hinde?

@rainer,

si gabby kasi ang hinabol ng haponesa e. yung haponesa ata ang gustong magka philippine visa kaya ganyan si gabby hehe. :smiley:

DJchot

10-26-2005, 12:54 PM

Where’s chibi when you need him … her…

okidoki. bati-bati na tayo. ingat na lang uli next time sa posting.
tapos na yung serious thing. humor na kasunod di ba? ayan, nagpost na si wrangler hehe :smiley:

ichimar

10-26-2005, 01:11 PM

upps tama na po yan,malapit ng mag christmas,pero mukang umiit po dito sa thread na ito,sana po maayos na ito,tama ang sabi ni djchot bati na para ang timog:)

ichimar

10-26-2005, 01:13 PM

karugtong lang po,para ang tf ay laging masaya:)

nick

10-26-2005, 09:39 PM

I hope everyone’s been given the chance to air their opinions. I will close this thread in 24 hours if there are no more comments.

docomo

10-26-2005, 09:45 PM

mas ok pa nga… i-close na:)

nick

10-26-2005, 09:47 PM

You just made it 5 minutes longer, docomo. :slight_smile:

Chibi

10-26-2005, 09:49 PM

Where’s chibi when you need him … her…
O baket nasali ko dito???hmmppp!!!

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 09:49 PM

O baket nasali ko dito???hmmppp!!!

E pano ikaw ata ang life of the party eh.

Chibi

10-26-2005, 09:51 PM

E pano ikaw ata ang life of the party eh.

so ano problema??

v_wrangler

10-26-2005, 10:03 PM

so ano problema?? Nak ng tinola…mapapasabak na naman ata ako. Sige na nga - ala. alang problema - ibig kong sabihin para masaya - sana andyan ka. Kase dun sa kabilang thread, ikaw ang nagpapasaya. Eh mali pala ang akala ko. Anyway, Pasensya ka na at nabanggit ko pa ang pangalan mo - now that I know, next time hindi na at baka. ma-misinterpret na naman ako. tsk tsk.

Paalam muna.

Chibi

10-26-2005, 10:14 PM

Nak ng tinola…mapapasabak na naman ata ako. Sige na nga - ala. alang problema - ibig kong sabihin para masaya - sana andyan ka. Kase dun sa kabilang thread, ikaw ang nagpapasaya. Eh mali pala ang akala ko. Anyway, Pasensya ka na at nabanggit ko pa ang pangalan mo - now that I know, next time hindi na at baka. ma-misinterpret na naman ako. tsk tsk.

Paalam muna.
a ganun!!!labo mo naman kase…yoko kase makisali sa away,read mode lang tayo dyan…PIS!!:slight_smile:

crister

10-26-2005, 11:00 PM

hehehehehehehe…m abuti na lang di ako nangaaaway…nagbib igay lang ng opinion…teka muna ha , hahanapin ko lang si silver kasi paguwi ko sa Pilipinas sa end ng January eh papasyal kami sa San Lazaro at sa Sta Ana…hehehehehehe

Chibi

10-26-2005, 11:38 PM

hehehehehehehe…m abuti na lang di ako nangaaaway…nagbib igay lang ng opinion…teka muna ha , hahanapin ko lang si silver kasi paguwi ko sa Pilipinas sa end ng January eh papasyal kami sa San Lazaro at sa Sta Ana…hehehehehehe

si Silver nandito saken…nangangapit haws!!!hhahahaahh!:smiley: Sana nga walang away dito…pwede naman yan sa cooooooooollllllllll l na usapan!!:slight_smile:
Crister!!kita tau sa 'Pinas ha!!!jowk!!:eek:

gabby

10-26-2005, 11:50 PM

gabby,

we just knew that you have a crusade against our kababayans who marry japanese citizens or visa holders to have their stay in japan extended.pls be advise to do your crusade somewhere else and not here at TF.you and your crusade are not welcome here as its not one of the purposes why TF was created.

if they marry somebody so they can stay in japan,well thats out of your business.if you claim that they give your marriage with a japanese national a bad name,then thats your opinion.your opinion is not everybodys opinion.

how about you? hindi rin ba stable ang visa mo at kinailangan mo pang kumuha ng spouse visa before your permanent residency sa jpn?ano ba ang visa mo before your spouse to a japanese national visa?
hey look whos talking here.ano ba ang kaibahan mo sa mga kababayan natin na nag asawa din ng mga japanese natoinals? is it not the same path? is there something special about your case at ganyan ka ka rude magsalita?di ba pareho lang?your japanese spouse sponsored your spouse visa before and then acted as your sponsor in your permanent residency application?ano ang kaibahan?you will tell us na nain-love kayo kaya nagpakasal?who knows,anong malay mo sa case ng iba,maybe nain-love din sila kaya wag mo ng pakialaman yun.
c`mon ,man…malayo na ang mga pinagsasabi mo sa mga reply mo.be humble.practice more humility.

Hello Rainer

I will take your advice kahit hindo ko masyadong naintindihan.:slight_smile:

gabby

10-27-2005, 12:46 AM

Before Nick closes this thread. I would like to sincerely apologise to everyone who took offense of my apparently sarcastic post in reply to Logical’s inquiry about the visa. I am sorry that I posted that question insinsitive to the possibility that I may have hurt people who means well and peoplle who are close to me.

With this in mind, I would like everyone to also be cirscumpect with the kind of inquiry you are going to ask.

docomo

10-27-2005, 01:02 AM

With this in mind, I would like everyone to also be cirscumpect with the kind of inquiry you are going to ask.

… noted gabby …:slight_smile:

DJchot

10-27-2005, 09:53 AM

so ano problema??

boss nick, pakiclose na po ito. parang walang baong humor ngayon si chibi :smiley:

halloween

10-27-2005, 10:16 AM

Uy uy uy, bati na sila, loving2 na.

Oh sha i ko close ko na to, ngek feeling naman ako.

Boss Nick i close mo na po ito at nagkaayos na mga tao.

docomo

10-27-2005, 10:25 AM

Last na po before closing this thread… nagkapalitan na ng mga kaniya kaniyang opinyon … nagkasakitan na sa mga nabitiwang salita … sana hanggang dito lang sa thread na to ang mga salitang binitawan nating lahat sa topic na to… bigyan natin ng chance si gabby … despite his comments I think may mabuti rin sa pagkatao nya …:slight_smile:

Chibi

10-27-2005, 11:22 AM

boss nick, pakiclose na po ito. parang walang baong humor ngayon si chibi :smiley:
hhaahhahhah!naiwan ko sa YM eh!!dami ko kase ka-chat kagabi.So peace na po tayong lahat…:slight_smile:

Willy2k5

10-27-2005, 11:56 AM

Sige Sir Nick e close mo na baka ikaw na man ang aawayin nila…hehehe

(Biro lang po):stuck_out_tongue:

nick

10-27-2005, 10:30 PM

I’ll take your word for it, docomo. :slight_smile:

Let’s not make a big deal about this little disagreement. It’s time to move on, there are lots of other things to do and other threads to comment on. So I’m closing this thread now. Peace to everyone.

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