Web page creation

daddy_b

09-26-2004, 08:33 PM

Dear TF Friends,

I’ve been dabbling lately with creating web pages and I have noticed that web sites created using Microsoft FrontPage do not open properly with Netscape Navigator. This is probably common sense, but is there a way to get around this? I mean, can I still use FrontPage and yet configure it so that the web pages that I create can be properly opened using both Explorer and Navigator?

Any help will come a long way. Thanks.

daddy_b :confused:

usb44

09-27-2004, 06:59 PM

hello daddy b,

hindi ba mayroong “Browser compatibility option (http://support.microsoft.co m/default.aspx?scid=kb ;en-us;311341)” ang Frontpage?

hindi ako masyadong nakakagamit ng Frontpage pero notorious ito sa bias towards IE (siyempre pa) at hindi pagsunod sa cross-browser standards. ang recommendation ko ay magpalit ka na lang ng software, either GoLive (http://www.adobe.com/products/golive/main.html) ng Adobe o Dreamweaver (http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/) ng Macromedia.

kung nasanay ka na ng husto sa Frontpage at ayaw mo nang magpalit ng software, siguro kailangan mo na lang iwasan ang mga non-standard na html at kung anu-anong gimik sa web page. tapos i-check mo na lang lagi with IE at Firefox o Opera.

usb44

daddy_b

09-27-2004, 08:43 PM

Salamat, usb44, sa iyong mga tips. Baka kailangan ko lang iwasan ang mga nonstandard html para magamit ko ang compatibility option ng FrontPage. Mayroon kasi akong ginawang website na pinuno ko ng text box na may link sa loob. Ayon, sa IE, ok ang labas pero sa Netscape, puro box frames lang tapos hindi gumagana ang mga links, despite the fact na ginawa ko siyang compatible with Netscape 3.0 or higher using the compatibility option.

I will also explore the other options that you suggested. Thanks.

daddy_b :slight_smile:

reon

09-28-2004, 07:56 PM

daddy b kumusta?

mahirap talagang gumawa ng cross-browser na webpage lalo na kung frontpage ang ginamit mo. dati nga meron akong ginawang webpage na ginamitan ko ng netscape (edit mode) at isang text editor at internet explorer. nang tingnan ko sa mac, hindi ko ma-recognize ang hitsura, haha.

pero tama nga si usb44, either golive o dreamweaver okay. magaling ang microsoft sa office applications, pero kung print at web publishing, adobe o macromedia.

pero yun nga, at least 90 percent ng web browsers ay internet explorer kaya assured ka na ng 90 percent ng audience pag ginawa mo para sa ie ang webpage mo. yung nga lang, yung ibang may gamit ng ibang browsers masa-shock. parang “ano ba 'to?!”

kahit ang timog forum, parang mas madaling mag-post ang mga baguhan kung internet explorer ang gamit kaysa firefox. pero cool pa rin ang firefox dahil lahat ng browser windows mo nasa tabs at walang mga nagpa-popout na advertisements.

reon :slight_smile:

roy

09-29-2004, 06:22 AM

i recommend dreamweaver if you want web-standard-compliant webpages. medyo mataas ang learning curve pero kung simpleng web pages lang ang gagawin mo, madali lang palagay ko.

roy

daddy_b

09-29-2004, 11:40 AM

Salamat sa inyong mga feedback. Mayroon akong Dreamweaver software pero hindi ko pa nagpag-aralan. Baka subukan ko one of these “slow” weekends. Ang advantage kasi ng FrontPage, like most Microsoft applications, is madali siyang matutunan at very intuitive ang mga menus.

Mayroon akong ginawang website (http://www.geocities.com/ptsubmissions) kahapon para sa isang project ng aming research group, pero hindi pa iyan final. Para maiwasan ang compatibility issues, ginawang ko siyang simple lang, without the text boxes.

I might improve on this later.

daddy_b

Paul

09-29-2004, 06:01 PM

one of the things that turn me off when i visit a website is a note saying i should use a certain browser. people browsing a webpage should be able to browse it using a browser of their choice. and the only way to do that is to conform to standards. something micro$hit doesn’t give a damn about. so dumping frontpage might be your best solution.

use dreamweaver, it even comes with a copy of opera. if it views fine on opera, it’ll be ok, on any browser. then check your website if it’s w3c compliant.

now, if you want to have more control over the layout of your webpage. design your webpage using CSS (cascading stylesheets) and don’t use tables. with CSS, you separate the content and design of your webpages, so you can easily change your layout design without having to code the content all over again. you can even have your website viewable even on cellphones.

check out these sites to see the power of CSS-based design

http://www.csszengarden.com
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/106/106.css&page=1

the 2nd link is the same website as the first, but using a different CSS file. you’ll be amazed if you view the source files.

http://cssvault.com is a popular CSS site critique showcasing websites designed using CSS.

reon

09-29-2004, 07:56 PM

paul,

naiintindihan ko yang comment mo tungkol sa web browsers, pero understandable naman yon up to a certain extent, kasi hindi naman lahat tayo merong time at technical expertise gaya ng mga professionals na hana-hire ng malalaking websites. kaya okay lang yon.

eto ang hindi okay: meron akong pinuntahang website, at ang sabi sa akin, “This website is best viewed with screen resolution 1280x960 but your current resolution is 1024x768. Please change your screen’s resolution by going to the Control Panel, etc. etc…”

ang standard na resolution ay 1024x768 kung ako ang tatanungin. ito ang standard resolution ng 17-inch na screen at 17-inch ang standard (o pinaka-common) sa japan. meron ngang gumagamit ng 800x600. tapos ang gusto ng website ay 1280x960.

kung baga ang ibig sabihin: “bumili ka muna ng mas malaking monitor (mga 19-inch okay na) bago ka pumunta dito sa website ko.” o kaya: “ang liit naman ng monitor mo!” hindi ko alam kung matatawa ako o maiinis. :rant:

reon

daddy b,

okay yang website mo, a! okay pati ang pangalan: “Alliance for Research on North Africa.” cool!

daddy_b

10-03-2004, 03:54 PM

I was actually challenged by the comments to this thread such that I decided to install and study my Dreamweaver 4.0 software. Thanks to all your comments, I had modified the website (http://www.geocities.com/ptsubmissions) that I had made for one of our projects and now it opens perfectly in both Netscape and Explorer. Thus, I did away with tne note which says “This site is best viewed using…”

Salamat.

daddy_b :smiley:

reon

10-04-2004, 09:27 PM

yes, it looks even better now.

reon :slight_smile:

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