What is the purpose of our life?

peacemaker

12-13-2005, 11:11 PM

Peace to everyone:)

I hope that every Timog forum member is fine and healthy upang palagi tayong maka share ng mga bagay na makatulong sa bawat isa.

Dahil sa mga problema at masasamang pangyayari na nagaganap sa ating mundo at kapaligiran ay di ko maiwasan na maitanong ang aking sarili kung ano nga ba talaga ang dahilan kung bakit ginawa ng Dios ang tao. Napakasakit isipin na may mga taong nag suicide dahil they are very confused on how to mange their lives. There are people even saying " Na sanay hindi na lang sana sila isinilang sa mundong ito". Our purpose of existence in other words is really unclear to us.

If ang existence ng lahat mga bagay na makikita natin sa ating kapaligiran tulad ng mga tanim, hayop, tubig, sunlight, stars etc. ay mahalaga then ano pa kaya ang existence ng tao na ginawa in the image and likeness of God? or the hignest creation created by God?

Of course ang lahat ng mga bagay sa mundo ay hindi sumulpot by himself only. They are created with a very important purpose and man is not exempted on this. For sure God created us with clear and impotant purpose so that our life will be meaningful and not boring.

Considering the fact that we are living now in the time of confusion and hopelessness, I think it is wise and very important that this “purpose of life” that God has been planned in the very beginning must be revealed now so that we can overcome all the trials and difficulties that we may be encountering in our daily life.

Therefore knowing the purpose of our existence or life that God has been designed for us in the very beginning is what we should need and know.

What is the purpose of our life then?

Thanks and May God bless us all.

peacemaker:)

infinite_trial

12-14-2005, 02:49 PM

Everyone has their own purpose of livin…

A preacher, to preach. A teacher to teach.
A mom to take care of her child.
A husband to share his love to his wife.
So on and so forth.

We choose our own purpose in life. Parang Matrix lang yan…either take the blue pill or the red pill.

Dax

12-14-2005, 04:27 PM

Maybe our purpose in life is to know what that purpose is, and play that part well. Hmm nalito ako sa sarili ko ah. :nuts:

richie

12-14-2005, 05:57 PM

Old folks says, " it doesn’t take long to live a life." Life is short. Those who are in the prime of their lives usually feel they are still in their teens, but the fact is their bodies begin to wear off and deteriorate and whether we like to leghthen (how?) our lives or not, we will all die.
Even if we attain “happiness,” fame, wealth, highest education, etc. we can not carry these things to our grave. Naked we came, naked we go. To dust we return.

The purpose of life, I think, is to live with regards to destiny, the one that is everlasting and eternal. Heaven or hell.

Trials and tribulations in this present time is molding us para maging karapat dapat sa kanya, to trust in Him and depend on Him. He does not tolerate wickedness in heaven, kaya dito ang molding ground natin.

Moses had been molded for so long for that great task. He was 80 years old when he first confronted Faraohn.

The Israelites wandered 40 years in the desert, they were tested for 40 years. although they could reach Canaan from Egypt for weeks on foot.

Sabi nga ni Saint Paul, ano ba naman ang mga pagdurusa natin dito sa mundong ito ikukumpara sa glory in heaven! Apostles Paul, Peter were beheaded, imagine magpapaputol ka ng leeg, ang sakit nun, a! Stephen was stoned to death, what a torture! mas masahol pa sa death penalty na lethal injection, kasi para ka lang (daw) pinatulog.

peacemaker

12-14-2005, 08:41 PM

Salamat sa sharing ninyo Richie, Dax at Infinite Trial:)

Ano nga ba talaga ang dahilan at bakit ginawa tayo ng Dios? For what reason? Siguro ang katanungang ito ay hindi lang ngayon kundi itoy matagal na at akoy nakakasiguro rin na hindi lang ako ang nagtatanong sa katanungang ito.

Dahil sa katanungang ito, akoy nag research through books and even attending some workshops and of course marami akong nakuhang mga sagot concerning my question.

One of the answers that I have learned that i feel the best among those is explained in this way:

"Each being has its own purpose of existence. If a created thing loses its purpose for existing, it should be discarded. If the purpose for existing is so vital, then what is man’s purpose of existence?

The purpose for existing is not determined by the created being itself; its true purpose is determined by its creator. Therefore, we must know God’s Purpose for the Creation in order to understand the true purpose for man and the cosmos. Why did God, who is almighty and absolute, begin to create?

The most essential aspect of God is Heart. Heart is the impulse to love an object and is the fountain and motivator of love. It is the nature of Heart to seek an object to love. This is, God, whose essence is Heart feels joy when he can love an object that he created. If there is no object, God cannot satisfy his impulse to express care and love, which springs limitlessly from within himself. God made the Creation to be the object which he could love.

We can see in Genesis 1 that whenever God added to his Creation, he said that it was good to behold. God wanted his creations to be objects of goodness and happiness to him. The reason he wanted the Creation to be the object of his Heart is so that he could love it and receive the satisfaction and joy of loving."

So very clear pala na because of God’s heart (that caused him to love) siyay naghahanap ng object na iibigin at ito ngayon ang dahilan kung bakit tayoy ginawa niya and of course this is a reciprocal relationship na dapat din nating iibigin and Dios.

Thanks again and more sharing next time.

docomo

12-14-2005, 08:45 PM

… For me The purpose of our life is far greater than our own personal fulfillment , our own peace of mind,or even our own happiness …It’s far greater than our family, our career or even our wildest dreams and ambitions… If we want to know why we are placed on this planet , I think we must all begin with God . :slight_smile:

peacemaker

12-14-2005, 11:50 PM

… … If we want to know why we are placed on this planet , I think we must all begin with God . :slight_smile:

Agree ako sa sinabi mo Docomo dahil imposibling we are placed or created on this planet without any reason at all because every creation that he created has purpose for its existence and I have already mentioned in my previous sharing that the most essential aspect of God is Heart. Heart is the impulse to love an object and is the fountain and motivator of love. It is the nature of Heart to seek an object to love. This is, God, whose essence is Heart feels joy when he can love an object that he created. If there is no object, God cannot satisfy his impulse to express care and love, which springs limitlessly from within himself. God made the Creation to be the object which he could love.

Nobody likes being alone. If anyone were in a big house all by himself, of course he might be lonely and scared. But if he had someone to talk to, or a book to read, or television to watch, then he would likely feel much better. We are happiest to be among family and friends, aren’t we? God is just like us . If God were all alone by Himself, then He would not be happy either. Even though God made all things with His infinite power, don’t you think that He too would feel suffocated and isolated all by himself? It was for all these reasons that God created human beings and the creatiion. This is why it is written in the book of Genesis that God declared the things that He had created to be good.

Thank you.

peacemaker:)

gabby

12-15-2005, 12:27 AM

Since I already existed either I like it or not, I need to conform to my needs. One of that needs is to eat. But before I can eat I need to conform to the external need which is to work,earn money so I can eat. In a nutshell, my purpose is to keep on living till my last breath.

mcgregor

12-15-2005, 12:36 AM

… If we want to know why we are placed on this planet , I think we must all begin with God . :slight_smile:

bertrand russel and I agree with docomo-san that

“Unless one assumes a God, the question of life’s purpose is meaningless.” :slight_smile:

gabby

12-15-2005, 01:06 AM

bertrand russel and I agree with docomo-san that

“Unless one assumes a God, the question of life’s purpose is meaningless.” :slight_smile:

Do I have to understand that since you already assume a god, you already know the purpose of your life?

ugnayan

12-15-2005, 03:27 AM

May nagbigay sa akin ng aklat na may pamagat Purpose-Driven Life (http://www.purposedrivenlif e.com/thebook.aspx) at hinihikayat ko ang mga ka-ugnayan ko na basahin din ito para matulungan sa paghanap ng tunay na layunin sa buhay.:peepwall:

Maganda nga naman na tukoy natin ang direksyon at layunin sa buhay:yesyes: …hindi tayo sumusuntok sa hangin:jiggy: …Napakasaklap na tayo ay gagamitin lang para sa plano ng iba. :fire:

I like the statement, “Life is a test, a trust and a temporary assignment.” Sana nga 'di lang ako pasang-awa sa mga tests sa buhay. Sa mga ipinagkatiwala sa akin, sana maging tapat kahit sa maliliit na bagay. Ang buhay nga naman ay di pangmatagalan kaya pinaghahandaan ang bagay na may habang buhay na katuturan.:halo:

docomo

12-15-2005, 12:08 PM

Rick Warren is the author of this book “Purpose Driven Life”… good read that’s for sure :slight_smile:

docomo

12-15-2005, 12:11 PM

Do I have to understand that since you already assume a god, you already know the purpose of your life?

Leave her alone silly … This has nothing to do with your beliefs… She just said what she wanted to say… that’s her opinion, let it be that way… ( nang aano ka na naman :stuck_out_tongue: )

gabby

12-15-2005, 02:56 PM

Leave her alone silly … This has nothing to do with your beliefs… She just said what she wanted to say… that’s her opinion, let it be that way… ( nang aano ka na naman :stuck_out_tongue: )

Ikaw ha? Talagang pinanindigan mo na ang pagka-reactionista mo.:slight_smile: Purpose of life is quite vague do you know that? Even Fisher who is an ex disciple of the Church has no clear answer of the purpose of life. You live I live they live we all live ain’t we? None of us want to die that is for sure. So the purpose of life is to keep on living.

docomo

12-15-2005, 03:07 PM

Ikaw ha? Talagang pinanindigan mo na ang pagka-reactionista mo.:slight_smile: Purpose of life is quite vague do you know that? Even Fisher who is an ex disciple of the Church has no clear answer of the purpose of life. You live I live they live we all live ain’t we? None of us want to die that is for sure. So the purpose of life is to keep on living.

I respect what you said gabby… no harm …peace tayo ( lambing lang ng bakla yon) :slight_smile:

peacemaker

12-15-2005, 08:57 PM

Purpose of life is quite vague do you know that? Even Fisher who is an ex disciple of the Church has no clear answer of the purpose of life. You live I live they live we all live ain’t we? None of us want to die that is for sure. So the purpose of life is to keep on living.

Thanks sa mga ideas na ini share ninyo sa topic na ito.

Bawat isa ay may ibat ibang opinion concerning man’s purpose of existence in other words hindi talaga natin alam kung ano nga ba ang purpose ng ating existence dito sa mundo and because of this problem some people are doing something bad for themselves because they are confused about their existence.

Personally, I do beleive that our purpose of existence has been defined already by our Heavenly Parent long time before ngunit hindi lang talaga ito nabigyan ng pansin. Sino nga ba ang magsabi sa purpose ng buhay natin eh di of course ang Dios na gumawa sa atin. Only the creator can tell the purpose of his creation.

Sabi nga ni DOCOMO sa sharing niya na " If we want to know why we are placed on this planet , I think we must all begin with God ." Yes agree ako kay DOCOMO dahil si God kasi ang gumawa sa atin. Sa panahong ito tayoy nalilito concerning our purpose dahil nandito na tayo sa “age of confusion and uncertainty”. Para ma understand natin ang ating purpose of existence magbalik-tanaw daw tayo sa panahon na ginawa ng Dios ang mundo at ang tao and from there makikita na natin ang ating hinahanap na sagot.

The book of Genesis in the bible give us the information about God’s creation. God was so happy upon looking his created object. He created man as the highest among all creation and with the heart of a parent God gave man a very precious blessing which is recorded in Genesis 1:28 that says:

“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth”.

God gave man the 3 GREAT BLESSINGS:

  1. To be Fruitful 2. To Multiply 3. To have Dominion

Fruitfulness means carrying out good deeds as our mind tells us to (uniting our body with our mind), and through this completely experiencing God’s love by becoming a person of goodness. By completely inheriting God’s loving heart, we mature and come to reflect God’s image, and thereby fulfill the first blessing.

Multiplication means to create a wonderful family. God was saying that if Adam and Eve were to live by his words, they would become a perfectly loving couple and have a children of goodness. God’s Second Blessing meant that His children , after growing up and getting married, would have beautiful children and a happy family, and many such families together would make a wonderful neighborhood, community, nation and world. Therefore, the family built upon God’s love is the cornerstone for solving all the problems in society.

Have Dominion refers to govern the creation in truth and in love. God made all things so that we could live surrounded by beauty and abundance. However, if we donot understand the real meaning of the Third Blessing, we will end up polluting and destroying nature, and in the end, we will not be able to continue our own existence. Why did God give us these Three priceless blessings? It is because we are His children whom He created and whom He loves. We must live in accordance with the pattern of the three blessings in order that our world is as happy as God wants it to be.

Very clear that this 3 great blessings that God gave to man during his creation period is the purpose of man’s existence and God’s will or desire is that man will fulfill this 3 great blessing because its fulfillment is God’s greatest joy.

Therefore, the purpose of our existence/ life is to give JOY to our Heavenly Parent by fulfilling the 3 Great blessings that is to become FRUITFUL (individual maturity/having God centered nature and character); MULTIPLY (building God-centered family) DOMINION (govern the creation by means of love).

Sorry that my sharing is quite long. Thanks everyone.

peacemaker:)

gabby

12-15-2005, 09:42 PM

Peacemaker et al

It is really funny that you guys sound like you leave all the decision to God to define your lives. You sound like you don’t have control over your lives. Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to do the changes for you.

I am taking control of my life. I decide what is good for me and not God. I make a goal and laid actions to take to achieve my goal. I wont let God to plan for me. My life’s purpose is to survive in a dog eat dog world. I wont let people to act on me. I wont let anybody to control my life. I will take the initiative whenever I can to influence my environment including people. God has no role over my life. It is I who role my own life.

docomo

12-15-2005, 09:54 PM

Peacemaker et al

It is really funny that you guys sound like you leave all the decision to God to define your lives. You sound like you don’t have control over your lives. Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to do the changes for you.

I am taking control of my life. I decide what is good for me and not God. I make a goal and laid actions to take to achieve my goal. I wont let God to plan for me. My life’s purpose is to survive in a dog eat dog world. I wont let people to act on me. I wont let anybody to control my life. I will take the initiative whenever I can to influence my environment including people. God has no role over my life. It is I who role my own life.

… Just read your post , We will never see eye to eye on this thread so no use in turning this into a heated discussion… So you’re right ,just carry on with your life and we’ll carry on with our lives …:slight_smile:

gabby

12-15-2005, 10:24 PM

… Just read your post , We will never see eye to eye on this thread so no use in turning this into a heated discussion… So you’re right ,just carry on with your life and we’ll carry on with our lives …:slight_smile:

Heh he he he he . . . :stuck_out_tongue: Come on mate. Of course we see eye to eye on this thread. :stuck_out_tongue: Look we can talk calmly without actually getting up our noses. :slight_smile: You see! We have lots of common. When you decided to get married to your husband, I am most certaily sure that it was you who made the decision and not God. Same as I did. It was me who decided to get married to my wife and not God. In other words God never define your life. It was you. So knowing God is not the purpose of our lives. God has nothing to do with our lives. It is us and just us and not God. I do believe that the purpose of life is to be productive. :stuck_out_tongue:

docomo

12-15-2005, 10:33 PM

Heh he he he he . . . :stuck_out_tongue: Come on mate. Of course we see eye to eye on this thread. :stuck_out_tongue: Look we can talk calmly without actually getting up our noses. :slight_smile: You see! We have lots of common. When you decided to get married to your husband, I am most certaily sure that it was you who made the decision and not God. Same as I did. It was me who decided to get married to my wife and not God. In other words God never define your life. It was you. So knowing God is not the purpose of our lives. God has nothing to do with our lives. It is us and just us and not God. I do believe that the purpose of life is to be productive. :stuck_out_tongue:

eh pilosopong tasyo ka pala eh :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue:

peacemaker

12-15-2005, 10:49 PM

Peacemaker et al

It is really funny that you guys sound like you leave all the decision to God to define your lives. You sound like you don’t have control over your lives. Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to do the changes for you.

I am taking control of my life. I decide what is good for me and not God. I make a goal and laid actions to take to achieve my goal. I wont let God to plan for me. My life’s purpose is to survive in a dog eat dog world. I wont let people to act on me. I wont let anybody to control my life. I will take the initiative whenever I can to influence my environment including people. God has no role over my life. It is I who role my own life.

Hello Gabby,

I respect whatever your opinion because its what you think and its what you are. Im happy that this forum respects everyone’s opinion. If you dont include God whatever undertakings you have in your life then its your own decision.

For me life without God is no meaning. I cannot imagine life without God because with God there is peace, joy and happiness. I always ask for his guidance for me to succeed. This is my life Gabby.

To change this world is not easy. We cannot change this world by our own effort alone we need God’s help. Yes we cannot rely everything to God. God needs our help. We need God and God needs us too. This is a parent and child relationship. We are designed in this way.

Thanks for sharing again and I respect your opinion.

peacemaker:)

gabby

12-15-2005, 11:11 PM

Hello Gabby,

I respect whatever your opinion because its what you think and its what you are. Im happy that this forum respects everyone’s opinion. If you dont include God whatever undertakings you have in your life then its your own decision.

For me life without God is no meaning. I cannot imagine life without God because with God there is peace, joy and happiness. I always ask for his guidance for me to succeed. This is my life Gabby.

To change this world is not easy. We cannot change this world by our own effort alone we need God’s help. Yes we cannot rely everything to God. God needs our help. We need God and God needs us too. This is a parent and child relationship. We are designed in this way.

Thanks for sharing again and I respect your opinion.

peacemaker:)

Hello peacemaker

Sorry if I made a wrong impression. I wasn’t disrespectful to your view on life. Of course it is not my business if you let your God role your life. I was just trying to paint the real picture not a foggy illusion.

docomo

12-15-2005, 11:22 PM

Hello peacemaker

Sorry if I made a wrong impression. I wasn’t disrespectful to your view on life. Of course it is not my business if you let your God role your life. I was just trying to paint the real picture not a foggy illusion.

This is a good example of an admirable member response … nice gabby :slight_smile:

peacemaker

12-16-2005, 08:33 PM

This is a good example of an admirable member response … nice gabby :slight_smile:

Thanks to you gabby. Its really great to “meet” you in this forum…

Lets always have peace regardless of our differences…ty again:)

honey

12-17-2005, 12:22 PM

buti pa yung iba alam nila kung bakit sila nilikha ng diyos ako hindi ko alam kung bakit ba ako nandito sa mundong ibabaw hindi ko alam kung bakit ako binuhay ng diyos basta kung ano ang daloy ng buhay ko sa ngaun sumusunod na lang ako.

peacemaker

12-18-2005, 12:08 AM

buti pa yung iba alam nila kung bakit sila nilikha ng diyos ako hindi ko alam kung bakit ba ako nandito sa mundong ibabaw hindi ko alam kung bakit ako binuhay ng diyos basta kung ano ang daloy ng buhay ko sa ngaun sumusunod na lang ako.

A peaceful and blessed day to you honey:)

Na touch ako honey sa reflection mo. Alam mo hindi man siguro ikaw lang ang may ganitong feeling. All of us I think dont know the real purpose of our lives and why God really created us. Ano nga ba ang sadya niyat ginawa niya tayo dito sa mundo. Although others can tell about their opinions on their existence but the real purpose of God’s creation is not clear to us.

Bakit nga ba di natin alam ang purpose ng buhay natin? Puro na lang tayo " maybe ". I think theres must be something wrong in the beginning of history and therefore we need to look back our past history especially on the creation of man written in the book of genesis in the bible. Sabi pa nga sa national hero natin na si Dr. Jose Rizal : " Ang hindi raw marunong lilingon sa kanyang pinanggalingan ay hindi makarating sa kanyang paroroonan.

More sharing next time honey.

Thank you.

docomo

12-18-2005, 12:14 AM

buti pa yung iba alam nila kung bakit sila nilikha ng diyos ako hindi ko alam kung bakit ba ako nandito sa mundong ibabaw hindi ko alam kung bakit ako binuhay ng diyos basta kung ano ang daloy ng buhay ko sa ngaun sumusunod na lang ako.

… sometimes it takes time … to hear your heart deeply:)

gabby

12-18-2005, 12:49 AM

buti pa yung iba alam nila kung bakit sila nilikha ng diyos ako hindi ko alam kung bakit ba ako nandito sa mundong ibabaw hindi ko alam kung bakit ako binuhay ng diyos basta kung ano ang daloy ng buhay ko sa ngaun sumusunod na lang ako.

Binuhay tayo nang Dios para mamatay. Yun lang. Ang lupit ano?

docomo

12-18-2005, 12:52 AM

Binuhay tayo nang Dios para mamatay. Yun lang. Ang lupit ano?

…kung yun lang , di kaya “ikaw” lang yon?? :shutup:

gabby

12-18-2005, 12:57 AM

…kung yun lang , di kaya “ikaw” lang yon?? :shutup:

Ikaw talaga mas mabilis ka pa sa alas-kuwatro kung makasagot. Ano ba iyang kamay mo computerise na rin? :stuck_out_tongue:

docomo

12-18-2005, 12:59 AM

Ikaw talaga mas mabilis ka pa sa alas-kuwatro kung makasagot. Ano ba iyang kamay mo computerise na rin? :stuck_out_tongue:

kinda!!:stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

richie

12-18-2005, 06:16 PM

Peacemaker et al

It is really funny that you guys sound like you leave all the decision to God to define your lives. You sound like you don’t have control over your lives. Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to do the changes for you.

I am taking control of my life. I decide what is good for me and not God. I make a goal and laid actions to take to achieve my goal. I wont let God to plan for me. My life’s purpose is to survive in a dog eat dog world. I wont let people to act on me. I wont let anybody to control my life. I will take the initiative whenever I can to influence my environment including people. God has no role over my life. It is I who role my own life.

No, Gabby you got the wrong impression. I understand you just want some spices in discussions, that’s healthy, on some degree of course.
You know about Bible passages, I have been reading your posts.

For me,
I do decide on my own only i do it as a christian and it is good to decide on something when I know I am not sinning. It is a happy, joyful living!

“Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to change the world for you”
Hindi po kami inutil, in fact I am running a corporation in the philippines just to help our countrymen, in my little way.

mcgregor

12-18-2005, 08:12 PM

Do I have to understand that since you already assume a god, you already know the purpose of your life?

i would like to think that each one of us has a different concept of God. i’d say if we want to follow the line of reasoning that our concept of God is based on religion and since religion postulates an explanation of life’s meaning and purpose, then, yes. To assume a God is to know life’s meaning and purpose.

ayan, ah. hindi lang purpose kundi pati meaning na ng buhay, nasagot ni God. :smiley:

mcgregor

12-18-2005, 08:15 PM

Leave her alone silly … This has nothing to do with your beliefs… She just said what she wanted to say… that’s her opinion, let it be that way… ( nang aano ka na naman :stuck_out_tongue: )

thank you, docomo-san but it’s okay.

i welcome the kind of questioning that leads to refinement of knowledge and enhancement of ideas.

:stuck_out_tongue:

mcgregor

12-18-2005, 09:01 PM

Forgive me tf pips for I have sinned. I didn’t realize how heated the arguments in this thread had been.

I immediately retorted to gabby-san’s reaction to my take without reading the subsequent posts.

It’s interesting to meet an atheist. My tambayan way back in college used to be situated beside that of the atheist circle. Though I never did talk to them, I had my share of skepticism, thanks to the deconstruction method of teaching in my dear alma mater.

Don’t get me wrong, I so respect and appreciate the rich discourse that brought me to my present state of belief.

Queries about life’s import, meaning and purpose have always perplexed the world. Though there have been a gazillion attempts to expound on the subject, many still are left mystified.

I do not wish to sound arrogant by claiming that I have found the answer. Though I have my own perspective, I can’t assert its universality- one’s life experiences and not just cognition, leads him/her to his/her own life philosophy.

We all have varied reasons for believing in what we believe in. And I respect you gabby-san for espousing your viewpoint, however supercilious it may sound to me.

Peace! :wink:

richie

12-18-2005, 11:21 PM

@ gabby

sana huwag kang ma-offend kung medyo naging strong yung ginamit kong word, it is not meant to disrespect you. I could feel you are a nice and kind person, its just that we differ in beliefs.

Pareho ra ba tang Cebu!

peace:)

andres

12-19-2005, 12:09 AM

bertrand russel and I agree with docomo-san that

“Unless one assumes a God, the question of life’s purpose is meaningless.” :slight_smile:

Hallo,

I just wanna point out that Bertrand Russell was an atheist. That’s why in the beginning I mistook you, too, for an atheist, mcrgregor-san. Maybe what this quote is saying is that if you don’t believe in God, then the “purpose of life” becomes irrelevant (it’s the “question” that is meaningless, and not life itself).

As for me, I believe that being alive has no inherent “meaning”. But of course, each individual person can give meaning to his/her life. :wink:

richie

12-19-2005, 12:29 AM

Hallo,

I just wanna point out that Bertrand Russell was an atheist. That’s why in the beginning I mistook you, too, for an atheist, mcrgregor-san. Maybe what this quote is saying is that if you don’t believe in God, then the “purpose of life” becomes irrelevant (it’s the “question” that is meaningless, and not life itself).

As for me, I believe that being alive has no inherent “meaning”. But of course, each individual person can give meaning to his/her life. :wink:

live and let live:confused:

For me, the purpose has more meaning than life itself:)

docomo

12-19-2005, 01:35 AM

… Living with purpose is the only way to really live… :slight_smile:

gabby

12-19-2005, 01:40 AM

No, Gabby you got the wrong impression. I understand you just want some spices in discussions, that’s healthy, on some degree of course.
You know about Bible passages, I have been reading your posts.

For me,
I do decide on my own only i do it as a christian and it is good to decide on something when I know I am not sinning. It is a happy, joyful living!

“Even worse, it seems to me that there is nothing you can do to change the world because God is there to change the world for you”
Hindi po kami inutil, in fact I am running a corporation in the philippines just to help our countrymen, in my little way.

You are wrong with your understanding. My post was more of a statement and not to elicit discussion or debate.

You should be happy. You do things without sinning. I ought to understand that you have a perfect life with a perfect christian philosophy that when you die you’ll go directly to heaven. Congratulations!! At least Jesse wont be worried now. When he comes back to earth he could found one single soul who has a perfect faith. I wonder how did you do that? Living without sinning.

gabby

12-19-2005, 01:43 AM

Hallo,

I just wanna point out that Bertrand Russell was an atheist. That’s why in the beginning I mistook you, too, for an atheist, mcrgregor-san. Maybe what this quote is saying is that if you don’t believe in God, then the “purpose of life” becomes irrelevant (it’s the “question” that is meaningless, and not life itself).

As for me, I believe that being alive has no inherent “meaning”. But of course, each individual person can give meaning to his/her life. :wink:

Oh! I like that.:slight_smile: Very much!:slight_smile: It is always good to know someone who is in touch with the reality.

gabby

12-19-2005, 02:05 AM

i would like to think that each one of us has a different concept of God. i’d say if we want to follow the line of reasoning that our concept of God is based on religion and since religion postulates an explanation of life’s meaning and purpose, then, yes. To assume a God is to know life’s meaning and purpose.

ayan, ah. hindi lang purpose kundi pati meaning na ng buhay, nasagot ni God. :smiley:

So you know God. Can you share with us the meaning of life and the purpose of life? I have my God. I know him. But I don’t find in him the meaning of life. I don’t find the purpose of life by praying to him. How come?

gabby

12-19-2005, 02:16 AM

@ gabby

sana huwag kang ma-offend kung medyo naging strong yung ginamit kong word, it is not meant to disrespect you. I could feel you are a nice and kind person, its just that we differ in beliefs.

Pareho ra ba tang Cebu!

peace:)

Ngano gud intawn nga malain ko. Bisan ug hinganlan ko nimo ug buang dili gayud ko masuko. Aduna lang akoy kahibulong sa imong gisaysay sa unahan. Matod mo pa, ang imong mga buhat krnistiyano ug wala gayud ka nagpakasala. Nahalipay gayud ako ug daku uyamot para kanimo. Apan gusto ko nga makahibalo kung gi-unsa mo kana pag-himo? Labi na gayud nga usa ka man ka negosyante o usa ka magpatigayon. Ang akong nahibaw-an, kung ang usa ka-tawo aktibo sa pagpatigayon, ang iyang natural nga mga aksiyon mao ang pag-himo ug mga desisyon. Ug sa akong mga kasinatian, ang desisyon usa ka trial and error. Kung nasayop ka usbon. Mao nga gi-unsa mo man kana pag-himo? Kung ang imong gipadayag tinood, angayan ka nga himoong usa ka ehemplo sa mga kristiyano ug angayn tawgon nga SANTO o kaha SANTA.

gabby

12-19-2005, 02:37 AM

Forgive me tf pips for I have sinned. I didn’t realize how heated the arguments in this thread had been.

I immediately retorted to gabby-san’s reaction to my take without reading the subsequent posts.

It’s interesting to meet an atheist. My tambayan way back in college used to be situated beside that of the atheist circle. Though I never did talk to them, I had my share of skepticism, thanks to the deconstruction method of teaching in my dear alma mater.

Don’t get me wrong, I so respect and appreciate the rich discourse that brought me to my present state of belief.

Queries about life’s import, meaning and purpose have always perplexed the world. Though there have been a gazillion attempts to expound on the subject, many still are left mystified.

I do not wish to sound arrogant by claiming that I have found the answer. Though I have my own perspective, I can’t assert its universality- one’s life experiences and not just cognition, leads him/her to his/her own life philosophy.

We all have varied reasons for believing in what we believe in. And I respect you gabby-san for espousing your viewpoint, however supercilious it may sound to me.

Peace! :wink:

Jesus Christ!! This thread is not a heated argument. Far from it. And for God’s sake I am not an athiest. :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: I have my God. It’s just that, my level of belief in God and my relationship with my God is somewhat different from yours. Almost all people in this forum have given the impression, to me of course, that your God is a very controlling God. Your God is full of punishments and less in love and more on being an insecure God. My God is full of love. He understands me, he loves for what I am and who I am. He is just like a father who cooks for me. He knows that I will go away and along the way I will eat other people’s food but he doesn’t worry because he knows I will always come back to him, because he knows that I always like his foods. He let me do things and he would come to fix my mess.

Having said that, I don’t presume that my belief is better than anyone else. Your declaration of faith in God is quite blaring. The hypocrites are in your lips.

Stacie Fil

12-19-2005, 02:48 AM

In my humble opinion observing life or anything that exist, tangible and intangible, its really hard to ascertain the purpose of anything most specially to complicated structures including human beings. Just what had been implied to previous post, we had to see first the origin, even ask the originator/creator why or what is the purpose of what has been made.

For instance a seedling or an Ipod.
Before a leaf comes out of a seed, a root will first reveal itself. Then from the main root, others smaller roots shall also come out.
In an Ipod, an aboriginal person , a child, or a first time encounter person to that technology shall learn the immediate name,purpose,know hows.etc, about it to the makers/or one who introduce it.Then he shall learn more as he explore to know/try to understand more.

I dont know in business,Gov’t or politics,arts ,math,etc, if it has an initial answer to why human exist.There are the folkloric stories about creation including our own malakas and maganda.

But mostly yet, in Judaism,christian,Is lam religion, theres a text that present clearer answer to this question. Thou not in direct form. As we know that biblical passages are often figurative for some reason and it was spiritual in manner that many things written there were unfolded to the writer.

One type I guess was the answer presented in earlier post. Ipinanganak ka. It was a gift of life, kaya di mo pwedeng i-deny at question-in.Yes life is not fare, so you can only be grateful. Wala sa iyo ang disisyon kung sino magulang mo o mayaman kaya.Saan,kailan,ano ng taon, buwan,panahon,kasari an mo, lahi,pati ngalan mo. Kanilang responsibilidad yon na matatanda at sila masusunod. 1)Kaya bata, makikinig ka sa pangaral…mag-aral mabuti nang maraming matutunan. Hanggang di pa tapos nang college at wala pang matatag na carrier eh wala sana munang syota.2)Hinog ka na sa panahon kaya, sigeee,kailangan na namin nang apo.3)OK ka na at pamilya, mo kaya bahala ka na sa iba pang responsibilidad sa paligid mo,walang ibang gagawa. So, may initial purpose na nang life in general.

Then tayo rin as we study our situation,family, environment,country and more… You might recieve a revelation or come to your senses and logic na may dapat ka pa palang gawin.Either personal,family,nati onal reason or for mere humanitarian or to just leave a mark that you pass-by once in this world. Reason either passing through living your own life or to live behind a mark,heritage that will immortalize existence and live thru other peoples life like famous people in history.

Just like the root with main and peripheral parts. An inventor can only be the one to tell the purpose of what or why he make such device/object. And later youl learn more xtra stuff like …pwede rin palang pamato sa piko ang relo or bala sa tirador.

In my humble opinion…

mcgregor

12-19-2005, 09:42 PM

Hallo,

I just wanna point out that Bertrand Russell was an atheist. That’s why in the beginning I mistook you, too, for an atheist, mcrgregor-san. Maybe what this quote is saying is that if you don’t believe in God, then the “purpose of life” becomes irrelevant (it’s the “question” that is meaningless, and not life itself).

As for me, I believe that being alive has no inherent “meaning”. But of course, each individual person can give meaning to his/her life. :wink:

thanks for pointing it out. obviously, i took it out of context. :stuck_out_tongue:

mcgregor

12-19-2005, 09:57 PM

So you know God. Can you share with us the meaning of life and the purpose of life? I have my God. I know him. But I don’t find in him the meaning of life. I don’t find the purpose of life by praying to him. How come?

my belief in God is a matter of faith.
my basis for believeing and my concept of God i surmise is different from yours.

i’ll leave you at peace with your God. i wouldn’t attempt to answer why you don’t find in your God the meaning of life. that’s beyond my faculties.:smiley:

richie

12-20-2005, 08:55 AM

You are wrong with your understanding. My post was more of a statement and not to elicit discussion or debate.

You should be happy. You do things without sinning. I ought to understand that you have a perfect life with a perfect christian philosophy that when you die you’ll go directly to heaven. Congratulations!! At least Jesse wont be worried now. When he comes back to earth he could found one single soul who has a perfect faith. I wonder how did you do that? Living without sinning.

Hi there Gabby.

What I meant was wilfully and conciously sinning. Nobody is perfect among us and I presume you know that well. Jesus pointed out that nobody is saved because he/she is perfect because there is nobody. As we STRIVE to trust and depend on Him, He, by His grace and mercy will bless us with heavenly eternal life.

The Apostles, for example, were very humane. James and John were called “the sons of thunder,” probably because of their temper. Peter denied Jesus. Thomas doubted and so on.

gabby

12-21-2005, 12:33 AM

Hi there Gabby.

What I meant was wilfully and conciously sinning.

I presume that you are condeming gays and philandering husbands and wives, robbers and sex workers for willfully and counsciously sinning?

richie

12-21-2005, 09:26 AM

I presume that you are condeming gays and philandering husbands and wives, robbers and sex workers for willfully and counsciously sinning?

There were two guys who were praying in a chapel. The first guy was a tax collector and because of the nature of his work, he had all the opportunity to launder money. He prayed very hard for forgiveness to the point of sweating. The second guy who was at the back of the first guy, was righteous in his daily life. He also prayed for forgiveness of whatever mistakes he made unconciously and as he went on with his prayers, “Lord, you know how I live my life, I follow all your commandments, it is not like this guy in front of me who is living in sin and laundering money from people…”

God accepted the prayers of the first guy but not those of the second guy, “I know that you follow my commandments but your heart is full of pride and arrogance.”

I am not in any position to condemn people. First and foremost nilalang din lang ako, Siya lang ang puedeng magcondemn, I have no right. Secondly, I am prone and susceptible to sin. If I condemn people, God might not be willing to forgive me the next time I commit sin even if it is done unconciously, neglectfully or ignorantly.

I love my children but when they lie to me, I point to them that lying is bad and I feel bad about it. I tell them because I love them.

We might not like what a person DOES, but not the person himself. God loves all people that is why He is very patient and enduring. He is patiently waiting that people will come to Him, call Him “father,” so that we will all live with Him to that place He prepared for us!

richie

12-21-2005, 10:03 AM

I presume that you are condeming gays and philandering husbands and wives, robbers and sex workers for willfully and counsciously sinning?

There are two guys who are praying in a chapel. The first guy is a tax collector, because of the nature of his work which gives him the opportunity to launder money from people. He prayed very hard for the forgiveness of his sins to the point of sweating. The second guy who is kneeling in front of the first guy lives a life that follows all the commandments, he also prayed for forgivess of sins he commited unconciously and he continues, " Lord you know how I live my life, it is not like this guy in front of me who launders people and who lives in sin…"

God accepted the prayers of the first guy but not those of the second guy, “I know how you live your life but your heart is full of pride and arrogance.”

I do not condemn people. First and foremost, isa lang akong nilalang, Siya lang ang puedeng gumawa niyan. Secondly, I am also prone and susceptible to sin kahit na unconciously, neglectfully or ignorantly done. If I condemn, He might not be willing to extent His forgiveness and worst, condemn me.

I love my children very much. When they lie, I point that out to them and I tell them that I feel bad about it. I tell them because I love them, if I don’t love them I will not point the bad things they have done!

I might not like what a person DOES, but not the person himself.

God is very patient and enduringly waiting for us to go to Him and call Him,“father,” because He loves us that much, He wants us to be with Him in the place He prepared for us, if we trust and obey Him.

richie

12-21-2005, 10:44 AM

Ngano gud intawn nga malain ko. Bisan ug hinganlan ko nimo ug buang dili gayud ko masuko. Aduna lang akoy kahibulong sa imong gisaysay sa unahan. Matod mo pa, ang imong mga buhat krnistiyano ug wala gayud ka nagpakasala. Nahalipay gayud ako ug daku uyamot para kanimo. Apan gusto ko nga makahibalo kung gi-unsa mo kana pag-himo? Labi na gayud nga usa ka man ka negosyante o usa ka magpatigayon. Ang akong nahibaw-an, kung ang usa ka-tawo aktibo sa pagpatigayon, ang iyang natural nga mga aksiyon mao ang pag-himo ug mga desisyon. Ug sa akong mga kasinatian, ang desisyon usa ka trial and error. Kung nasayop ka usbon. Mao nga gi-unsa mo man kana pag-himo? Kung ang imong gipadayag tinood, angayan ka nga himoong usa ka ehemplo sa mga kristiyano ug angayn tawgon nga SANTO o kaha SANTA.

Tubagon lang nako ang imong pangutana, “…paghimo ug mga desisyon, …ang desisyon usa ka trial and error, kung nasayop usbon.”

That is why naa ko nianing posisyon, para magdesisyon, mag-implement, I also modify decisions. Para sa ako, trial and error is extreme para sa usa ka business. Kung nasayop ko sa akong desisyon, it should be very minimal nga dili na usbon ug puede lang i-modify. Trial and error cost the company so much.

I hope I answered your question. Na out of topic na ta!

richie

12-21-2005, 01:59 PM

Ngano gud intawn nga malain ko. Bisan ug hinganlan ko nimo ug buang dili gayud ko masuko. Aduna lang akoy kahibulong sa imong gisaysay sa unahan. Matod mo pa, ang imong mga buhat krnistiyano ug wala gayud ka nagpakasala. Nahalipay gayud ako ug daku uyamot para kanimo. Apan gusto ko nga makahibalo kung gi-unsa mo kana pag-himo? Labi na gayud nga usa ka man ka negosyante o usa ka magpatigayon. Ang akong nahibaw-an, kung ang usa ka-tawo aktibo sa pagpatigayon, ang iyang natural nga mga aksiyon mao ang pag-himo ug mga desisyon. Ug sa akong mga kasinatian, ang desisyon usa ka trial and error. Kung nasayop ka usbon. Mao nga gi-unsa mo man kana pag-himo? Kung ang imong gipadayag tinood, angayan ka nga himoong usa ka ehemplo sa mga kristiyano ug angayn tawgon nga SANTO o kaha SANTA.

“…ang usa ka tawo aktibo sa pagpatigayon, ang iyang natural nga mga aksiyon mao ang paghimo ug mga desisyon. …ang desisyon usa ka trial and error, kung nasayop ka usbon…”

Mao na gyud na ug dili lang kay natural kundili mao lang na ang rason ngano nga nia ko diri. As much as I can, I avoid a trial and error type of decision because it causes much for the company. If modification is possible, then a very minimal error is ok.

nanghinaot ko nga natubag nako ug insakto ang imong pangutana. na-out of topic naman ta diri.

richie

12-24-2005, 09:51 AM

Ngano gud intawn nga malain ko. Bisan ug hinganlan ko nimo ug buang dili gayud ko masuko. Aduna lang akoy kahibulong sa imong gisaysay sa unahan. Matod mo pa, ang imong mga buhat krnistiyano ug wala gayud ka nagpakasala. Nahalipay gayud ako ug daku uyamot para kanimo. Apan gusto ko nga makahibalo kung gi-unsa mo kana pag-himo? Labi na gayud nga usa ka man ka negosyante o usa ka magpatigayon. Ang akong nahibaw-an, kung ang usa ka-tawo aktibo sa pagpatigayon, ang iyang natural nga mga aksiyon mao ang pag-himo ug mga desisyon. Ug sa akong mga kasinatian, ang desisyon usa ka trial and error. Kung nasayop ka usbon. Mao nga gi-unsa mo man kana pag-himo? Kung ang imong gipadayag tinood, angayan ka nga himoong usa ka ehemplo sa mga kristiyano ug angayn tawgon nga SANTO o kaha SANTA.

Bisan ug dili ka mangutana, tigulang na ako. Daghan na ako ug naagian nga gitawag ug “mga dagok sa kinabuhi” ang uban dili lang kay nagsunod sunod kun dili nagdungan pa sila. Experiences made my faith stronger. Apan dili ko malipay kung ako ang ma-exalt ug dili ang Diyos. Kadaghanan sa akong gipadayag diri ug sa lain pa nga akong gipost sa lain nga mga threads, mga self-confessions. Nagpasalamat lang ko nga unidentified ta diri, kay kung hayag kung kinsa ta diri,
dili tingali ko ingon niani ka-bold. Kahibalo ko nga ang mga tawo magkalainlain ug mga reaksiyon. Bisan ug wala sila kagusto sa akong style sa self confessions nako, at least wala sila kaila sa akoa in person. Tingali mangutana ka ngano, kay nagapatigayon man ako. Mabad trip man sila sa ako, dili lang maapil ang business kay louy man pud intawon kung maapil ang mga nanginabuhi gikan diri.

docomo

12-24-2005, 01:12 PM

uy sensya na po kay gabby at richie ha …pero di ko maintindihan yung posts nyo… pwede po ba paki- palitan na yung language nyo …tingin ko kasi maraming di makaka- relate (kung ok lang naman pow):slight_smile:

richie

12-24-2005, 01:29 PM

uy sensya na po kay gabby at richie ha …pero di ko maintindihan yung posts nyo… pwede po ba paki- palitan na yung language nyo …tingin ko kasi maraming di makaka- relate (kung ok lang naman pow):slight_smile:

gomen ne. i-translate ko na lang yung last post ko. Sa totoo lang out of topic.
ganito yun:

Even if you do not ask, I am already old. I have experiences what we call, mga dagok ng buhay, hindi lang sunod-sunod kundi nagkasabay sabay pa. Experiences made my faith stronger. But i will not be happy if I am the one exalted and not God. Almost all of my posts, here and in other threads, are self-confessions. I am thankful that we are unidentified here, because if we are identified, I can not confess boldly because I understand that people react differently. Even if they do not like the style of my confessions, at least they do not know my identity. If you ask me why, it is because I am in the business world. Kung ma-badtrip ang mga tao sa akin dito, ayoko ring madamay yung mga taong kumukuha ng ikinabubuhay nila sa business na hinahawakan ko.

docomo

12-24-2005, 01:34 PM

@ richie

… ayan ok na… thank you ha:)

richie

12-24-2005, 05:44 PM

@ richie

… ayan ok na… thank you ha:)

you’re welcome:) have a nice day!

I will try too, kaya lang sobrang ginawwww, pati mga daliru ko nanginginig na !!

docomo

12-24-2005, 06:48 PM

… Some people are incapable of controlling themselves and feel the need to be controlled by the invisble hand of deity…That is their choice… We all choose how we wish to live, in hopes of making ourselves happy… Ultimately ,every situation comes down to one question: Is this good for me??:slight_smile:

nick

12-24-2005, 08:22 PM

I hate to tell you guys, but it is against the rules of Timog Forum to use languages other than English, Tagalog or Nihongo. If you want to use your own dialect, then you can send each other private messages and not post in the forums. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu.

richie

12-24-2005, 10:18 PM

I hate to tell you guys, but it is against the rules of Timog Forum to use languages other than English, Tagalog or Nihongo. If you want to use your own dialect, then you can send each other private messages and not post in the forums. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu.

noted Nick, thanks!

puting tainga

12-24-2005, 10:40 PM

Ayon sa ibang thread, taga-Talisay si gabby, pero I didn’t know marunong mag-Cebuano rin si richie.

Though I know dozens of Cebuano words, those postings are beyond me, without a dictionary. (I have one.)
Hence, I welcome nick’s comment.

Back to the topic;
The book “Purpose Driven Life” that ugnayan and others mentioned, is my favorite book, too.
Since we use this book as cell-group Bible Study material, I read it all several times in Tagalog and in English.

I wonder if there is a Cebuano translation.
If there is, I’d like to get it and study Cebuano through it.:slight_smile:

mcgregor

12-24-2005, 11:02 PM

Back to the topic;
The book “Purpose Driven Life” that ugnayan and others mentioned, is my favorite book, too.
Since we use this book as cell-group Bible Study material, I read it all several times in Tagalog and in English.

I wonder if there is a Cebuano translation.
If there is, I’d like to get it and study Cebuano through it.:slight_smile:

sugoi!

i didn’t know there’s a tagalog version of ‘the purpose driven life!’

:smiley:

i wonder if you read it by chapter, puting tainga-san, as prescribed. :rolleyes:

richie

12-24-2005, 11:54 PM

Ayon sa ibang thread, taga-Talisay si gabby, pero I didn’t know marunong mag-Cebuano rin si richie.

Though I know dozens of Cebuano words, those postings are beyond me, without a dictionary. (I have one.)
Hence, I welcome nick’s comment.

Back to the topic;
The book “Purpose Driven Life” that ugnayan and others mentioned, is my favorite book, too.
Since we use this book as cell-group Bible Study material, I read it all several times in Tagalog and in English.

I wonder if there is a Cebuano translation.
If there is, I’d like to get it and study Cebuano through it.:slight_smile:

Resident ako ng Cebu.

I have not read the book. My materials aside from the Bible is Halley’s Bible Commentary, lots of magazines here and teka nakalimutan ko na yung isa, halungkatin ko muna.

Not pulling leg, pero mababait talaga ang mga Bizdak magugulat ka nga lang pagnag-uusap in person akala mo nagagalit pero hindi . If they liked you, mas malakas ang tuno ng boses:)
Sa Iloilo banda naman, baligtad, hindi mo alam, galit na pala, malalambing magsalita.

richie

12-25-2005, 03:25 PM

… Some people are incapable of controlling themselves and feel the need to be controlled by the invisble hand of deity…That is their choice… We all choose how we wish to live, in hopes of making ourselves happy… Ultimately ,every situation comes down to one question: Is this good for me??:slight_smile:

Our capabilities as human beings are limited. If we focus our happiness and control only on our limitations and accept the things outside our capabilities as it is, that’s great.

But I think life is more than that, it is not always sunlight and sunshine. There situations we can not choose. What if we are in a war ridden country, or in tsunami washed out island, or in an area devastated by an earthquake, or in a planecrash. If I am a survivor, will it only be a “Wheew” or sasabihin ko kayang, shoganai, buhay ako,e, life goes on. (my own statements lang).

If there is happiness there is also unhappiness. Capability-Uncapability. There are always 2 sides of a coin.

richie

12-25-2005, 03:36 PM

…we can choose. we can control (most) the road we thread. we can be happy by it, but let us not forget to thank God.

docomo

12-25-2005, 05:34 PM

Our capabilities as human beings are limited. If we focus our happiness and control only on our limitations and accept the things outside our capabilities as it is, that’s great.

But I think life is more than that, it is not always sunlight and sunshine. There situations we can not choose. What if we are in a war ridden country, or in tsunami washed out island, or in an area devastated by an earthquake, or in a planecrash. If I am a survivor, will it only be a “Wheew” or sasabihin ko kayang, shoganai, buhay ako,e, life goes on. (my own statements lang).

If there is happiness there is also unhappiness. Capability-Uncapability. There are always 2 sides of a coin.

You have a point there and I won’t try to debate this issue , not today :slight_smile: Generalization… Actually, it sounds like the post has more to do with yourself and your interpretations of your own experiences than anything, else… “Sorry”… My personality is only offering complete honesty at this point…:slight_smile:

richie

12-25-2005, 06:43 PM

You have a point there and I won’t try to debate this issue , not today :slight_smile: Generalization… Actually, it sounds like the post has more to do with yourself and your interpretations of your own experiences than anything, else… “Sorry”… My personality is only offering complete honesty at this point…:slight_smile:

yes it’s more on myself. I respect yours, different individuals, different aspects, different experiences. Yung mga medyo pareho lang experiences seguro ang makakarelate:) Ang kagandahan dito is we learn the differences of individuals and if it begins with honesty, our learning time is more productive.

There is unity in diversity.

docomo

12-25-2005, 10:04 PM

There is unity in diversity.

True… very true… That’s why I don’t want to elaborate more about this issue … We have different views about how we believed in our Deity … ok sana ang topic na ito ang kaso nagkaka-lintek-lintek na pag naumpisahan na ng kaniya kaniyang pananaw sa pinaniniwalaang relihiyon … tama na lang siguro na ang reaction dito sa issue na to ay magbigay ng sariling opinyon,magbasa na lang , kunin yung magandang aral at wag ng maki-pagtalo pa… aminin man natin o hindi … pagdating sa pinaniniwalaan walang magpapatalo talaga … isa lang naman sigurong dyos ang pinaniniwalaan natin diba? :slight_smile:

richie

12-26-2005, 06:13 PM

True… very true… That’s why I don’t want to elaborate more about this issue … We have different views about how we believed in our Deity … ok sana ang topic na ito ang kaso nagkaka-lintek-lintek na pag naumpisahan na ng kaniya kaniyang pananaw sa pinaniniwalaang relihiyon … tama na lang siguro na ang reaction dito sa issue na to ay magbigay ng sariling opinyon,magbasa na lang , kunin yung magandang aral at wag ng maki-pagtalo pa… aminin man natin o hindi … pagdating sa pinaniniwalaan walang magpapatalo talaga … isa lang naman sigurong dyos ang pinaniniwalaan natin diba? :slight_smile:

Oo naman.

If naka-encouraged at nakapag-remind, maganda:)

I wish you a Happy and Prosperous New Year and to all !!

docomo

12-26-2005, 06:43 PM

Oo naman.

If naka-encouraged at nakapag-remind, maganda:)

I wish you a Happy and Prosperous New Year and to all !!

… I’m glad we share the same sentiments … God Bless you and your family :slight_smile:

richie

12-30-2005, 11:18 PM

Salamat sa sharing ninyo Richie, Dax at Infinite Trial:)

Ano nga ba talaga ang dahilan at bakit ginawa tayo ng Dios? For what reason? Siguro ang katanungang ito ay hindi lang ngayon kundi itoy matagal na at akoy nakakasiguro rin na hindi lang ako ang nagtatanong sa katanungang ito.

Dahil sa katanungang ito, akoy nag research through books and even attending some workshops and of course marami akong nakuhang mga sagot concerning my question.

One of the answers that I have learned that i feel the best among those is explained in this way:

"Each being has its own purpose of existence. If a created thing loses its purpose for existing, it should be discarded. If the purpose for existing is so vital, then what is man’s purpose of existence?

The purpose for existing is not determined by the created being itself; its true purpose is determined by its creator. Therefore, we must know God’s Purpose for the Creation in order to understand the true purpose for man and the cosmos. Why did God, who is almighty and absolute, begin to create?

The most essential aspect of God is Heart. Heart is the impulse to love an object and is the fountain and motivator of love. It is the nature of Heart to seek an object to love. This is, God, whose essence is Heart feels joy when he can love an object that he created. If there is no object, God cannot satisfy his impulse to express care and love, which springs limitlessly from within himself. God made the Creation to be the object which he could love.

We can see in Genesis 1 that whenever God added to his Creation, he said that it was good to behold. God wanted his creations to be objects of goodness and happiness to him. The reason he wanted the Creation to be the object of his Heart is so that he could love it and receive the satisfaction and joy of loving."

So very clear pala na because of God’s heart (that caused him to love) siyay naghahanap ng object na iibigin at ito ngayon ang dahilan kung bakit tayoy ginawa niya and of course this is a reciprocal relationship na dapat din nating iibigin and Dios.

Thanks again and more sharing next time.

May nabasa akong article by: Joe price
I-summarize ko na lang.

The Heart is the Seat of Life.

  1. The Heart includes the Intellect, for what is in the heart comes out as a deed; it thinks, reasons, understands, believes.
  2. The Heart includes Emotions; anguish, rejoice, despair, distress.
  3. The Heart includes Conciense.
  4. The heart includes Will; thinks, intentions, decisions, purposes, convinced, obey.

mOtt_erU

09-07-2006, 01:53 AM

for me our Purpose of our Life is to Live happily but meaningful with God`s guidance, and our family & LOveones by our side…

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