striver
10-05-2005, 06:12 PM
just a question to all TF members kung na experience nyo ito.
when i was still a student in toyama prefecture i met some old lady in the post office there. nong malaman nyang foreigner ako, tinanong nya ko kung san country ako. i said from the philippines. when she heard that, bigla na lang syang yumuko sa harapan ko as in nakahalik na sya sa floor habang sinasabi nya ang “gomennasai”. i asked her kung bakit po, sabi nya nagsosorry sya for all the stupid thing na ginawa ng mga hapon sa pinas nong panahon ng war.
i did not ask her kung ano ba talaga nagawa ng mga ninuno nya pero i knew that
she was deeply sorry for that kasi umiiyak na sya. talaganga nagulat ako at that time pati
na rin iyong mga tao sa yuubinkyoku. nahiya na rin ako kya pilit ko rin syang pinatayo.
then one thing pa eh, binigyan nya ko ng 1000 en. i dont know what it for? pilit kong bina
balik kasi sa tingin ko di naman sya ganung may kaya. pero di nya tinatanggap talaga. so,
ng makita iyon ng isang clerk sa post office, sinabihan nya ko na tanggapin mo na lang iyan. at medyo teary eyes na rin sya. sabi na lang nya sa akin eh toshidama mo na raw iyan.
i left there before them at talagang nakayuko pa iyong old lady habang papalayo ako. i never forget that until now and i think until the end of mylife. with that event nawala na halos iyong galit ko sa mga hapon on what they have done to our ancestors. kayo did you meet some japanese na humihingi ng sorry for the past? ako 2 na namet ko. tell you the story next time. its a different story. please post your experience here.
ganda_girl89
10-05-2005, 06:20 PM
meron yata talagang ilan ilan na ganyan.kung titingnan,parang di ordinaryo ang dating…
sa branch office namin dito sa shikoku,meron isang dating staff na matanda na kinaibigan ang mga trainees na pinoy. medyo malalim kesa ordinaryo ang pakikipag close nya at umabot ang pagkakaibigan nila sa pag punta punta nya sa phils at pagiimbita sa bahay nya.
halloween
10-05-2005, 07:01 PM
Talaga Stiver? Aba, di pa ako naka encounter ng ganyan. Sana sinabi mo ganto, okay I’ll forgive you but make it Y10 000, hahaha. Kakaibang eksena naman yan nakakaaliw. Ikaw talaga Striver, sabi mo di mo tinanggap dahil di naman mukhang may kaya. Kung mukhang rich pala kukunin mo, hmmmm (just teasing). Tama yung ginawa mo, kung pinipilit ba nya eh, why not di ba. Sana ma experience ko rin yan tapos habang naglalabas ng wallet eh isa isa kong sasabihin ang mga atrocities ng Japan sa Pinas hanggang sa maging pulubi sha hahhahha.
Andrewmark
10-05-2005, 08:08 PM
Ako naman I met this friend of mine (and until now we are still close friends) and he told me that his Grandfather was in the Jap Army in the Phils during the war. After the war ata his Grandfather stayed for a while in the Phils then learned and became fluent in speaking Tagalog. So nung bumalik na sa Japan yung Lolo nya, lagi niyang kinukwento sa kanila kung gaano kabait yung mga Pinoy eventhough inatake sila ng Hapon: nilalabhan ng mga Pinoy yung damit niya, pinagsisilbihan siya. Dami nga daw siyang magagandans story about sa Pinas. Sad nga lang ay di ko naabutan yung Lolo na yun e namatay na mga 10 years ago ata…
Pero ang maganda, lagi akong iniinvite ng parents ng kaibigan ko sa bahay nila kapag bakasyon sa school and titira dun. Sabi ng Nanay niya sa akin, ito raw yung kabayaran nila ng mabuting pakikitungo ng mga Pinoy sa Lolo nila. Para na nga akong miyembro ng pamilya-pinagsisilbihan ako katulad sa mga anak niya.
Dkid
10-05-2005, 09:31 PM
Experience ko naman ay kabaligtaran ng experience mo. Noong una akong dumating dito sa Japan mga 1992, napasabak agad ako sa gemba, namimintora kami ng barko sa may bandang yokosuka, kanagawa ken. Isa sa mga kasama namin sa kaisha ay dating sundalo sa nakaraang gyera (Sgt Yoshizawa). Siya raw ay isang machine gunner na na assign sa Bataan, 21 years old palang raw siya noon. Pinagyabang niyang kinwento (with action) sa amin na ilang sundalo at guerilyang Pilipino ang minachinegun nya. He seems to be so proud of what he has done, without even showing a slightest remorse!
ganda_girl89
10-05-2005, 09:41 PM
Experience ko naman ay kabaligtaran ng experience mo. Noong una akong dumating dito sa Japan mga 1992, napasabak agad ako sa gemba, namimintora kami ng barko sa may bandang yokosuka, kanagawa ken. Isa sa mga kasama namin sa kaisha ay dating sundalo sa nakaraang gyera (Sgt Yoshizawa). Siya raw ay isang machine gunner na na assign sa Bataan, 21 years old palang raw siya noon. Pinagyabang niyang kinwento (with action) sa amin na ilang sundalo at guerilyang Pilipino ang minachinegun nya. He seems to be so proud of what he has done, without even showing a slightest remorse!
ang lungkot naman…:mad:
baka nag machine gun ng nagmachine gun pero walang tinamaan kaya wala syang remorse at guilty feeling.
sya siguro yung napapanood natin dati sa mga movies ni erap at FPJ,di nmn sila nakakatama sa mga gerilya e.
Dkid
10-05-2005, 09:45 PM
Nakakalungkot talaga! He sweared na marami raw siyang tinamaan. Pero tungkol naman sa samahan namin sa trabaho, ayos naman, parang kinalimutan na namin yung nakaraan. He also treated us (dalawa kaming pinoy) an ordinary worker without a hint of what he has done to our heroes.
c2ny2
10-05-2005, 10:13 PM
Na experience ko yan sa isang shipping building yard dito sa Sakaide (shikuko is.) Ka jo join ko palang noon sa shipping company, isang matanda na ng nalaman na ako’y pinoy halos ayaw ng bitiwan ang aking kamay na panay ang sabi ng very sorry…very sorry…very sorry. I was in Tarlac during the war. Kaya di na ako nagtanong kung para saan yung sorry niya.
honey
10-05-2005, 10:20 PM
hi!STRIVER di pa naman ako nakaencounter ng ganyan pero 'wag naman sana katulad ng ginawa sayo ang maeexperience ko kahit magandang pakikisama o magandang trato na lang ng mga hapon sa akin o sa ating lahat na pinoy ok na yun!
mcgregor
10-06-2005, 12:10 AM
interesting ang storya mo striver. hindi ko akalain na ganyan pa rin ang pakiramdam ng ilang hapon sa atrocities nila no’ng WW2 sa Pilipinas.
Yung experience ko naman sa Pilipinas, no’ng high school, vinideo yung class namin sa social studies. topic is WW2. pagkatapos ng class, i was interviewed by the jap observers kung ano daw ang tingin ko sa gera at sa mga hapon- kung may animosity pa rin ako sa kanila or what. feeling ko ginawa akong subejct sa isang research kung ano ang views ng kabataan tungkol sa mga hapon. well, forget the past mode ako no’n.
kaya lang nitong college at nong nag-work na ako, na-meet ko naman ang nasa receiving end ng lupit ng mga japs. mga “comfort women,” members ng Lila Filipina. marami sa kanila namatay na. pero yung ilang nabubuhay, hindi pa rin tumitigil sa struggle nilang makakuha ng just compensation at public apology mula sa japanese government dahil sa ginawa sa kanila nong panahon ng gyera.
matapos kong makilala ang mga lola and having heard their horror stories during the war, i think the japs do have a reason to be sorry for what they did. dapat nga mag-public apology at magbayad ang japanese government e.
sasebo
10-06-2005, 07:44 PM
striver–very fortunate ka nangyari sa iyo ang event na iyon–GOD BLESS:)
Reina 6717
10-07-2005, 08:19 PM
Hellow Stiver,
I also experience what you have too,long time ago, during nag-tratrabaho ako dito in the coffee shop , an old man just have breakfast at tingin sya nang tingin sa akin and ask me if from where country i am and i told him that im from Phil. he ask me, if i have grandpa or grandma and hold my hands then he told me to ask forgiveness for what the japanese soldiers done to our grandpa and grandma’s live during their invation in the Phil. and he really cried infront of me and apologize for everything.
Nabigla talaga ako,and from that experience, noong,umuwi ako 5 yrs ago, and told my grandpa about my experience and my grandpa also cried and his last word that, even if he dies and if im going back to japan, gusto nya na pumunta ako sa Hiroshima and bring flowers and candles to gave respect and prayer for the victims of Hiroshima Atomic Bomb.
And from that experience, really it change my views of life, were just humans and make mistakes and learn from mistakes .
Stacie Fil
10-11-2005, 12:22 AM
Hellow Stiver,
I also experience what you have too,long time ago, during nag-tratrabaho ako dito in the coffee shop , an old man just have breakfast at tingin sya nang tingin sa akin and ask me if from where country i am and i told him that im from Phil. he ask me, if i have grandpa or grandma and hold my hands then he told me to ask forgiveness for what the japanese soldiers done to our grandpa and grandma’s live during their invation in the Phil. and he really cried infront of me and apologize for everything.
Nabigla talaga ako,and from that experience, noong,umuwi ako 5 yrs ago, and told my grandpa about my experience and my grandpa also cried and his last word that, even if he dies and if im going back to japan, gusto nya na pumunta ako sa Hiroshima and bring flowers and candles to gave respect and prayer for the victims of Hiroshima Atomic Bomb.
And from that experience, really it change my views of life, were just humans and make mistakes and learn from mistakes .
Guess thats one truth about war. Nobody really wants it specially those soldier or the people who are directly involve/affected by it. Real people give forgiveness to those who hurt them. Much more to those who are truely repentful for thier mistake. My spouse is a Japanese and we faced some few opposition (on both sides) when we were starting. But when the people around us saw our relationship or how we treated each other, some of those negative stuff just melted away.
Your experience guys has thought me something. If the same experience would knock to my door, Im now aware that the least thing I can say or reply is,…say something to liberate that repentful person.(thats in my case/opinion only) Thanks guys,I’ve learned something new again in TF.
striver
10-29-2005, 07:08 PM
thanks all guys sa mga reply nyo about this thread.
sorry at medyo na late ang comment ko po. im just thankful also at meron din palang
naka experience tulad ng sa akin and a little bit sad for those person na iba ang naexperience
about it. within this generation unti unti na kasing nakakalimutan ng mga hapon ang mga
nangayari in the past. i think di na natin maririnig ang mga forgiveness na iyan sa mga
kabataan ngayon. kasi di sa kanila tinuturo sa school about it. kaya maririnig na lang natin nyan
eh sa mga old citizen dito.
i have another story also and i want to make it a part 2 of this thread. i experience this
sa isang yakitoriyasan malapit sa bahay ko. it was a common day, i think it was wednesday,
im a little bit exhausted in my work kaya uminom ko. i seated near the door, then after a few
minute may 1 guy na umupo sa left side ko. then in my right side is an old guy, around 55
maybe. then tinanung nya ko kung taga san ako kasi medyo napuna nya na gaikokujin po ako.
ng malaman nyang pinoy ako, medyo tumahimik sya ng kunti at maya maya nag kwento about
the past, the time of war. and even he knows a little bit about the history of philippines.
he said sorry to me and he thinks that all japanese must say sorry to the philippines. he talked
a little bit loud kaya naririnig ng lahat ng tao sa loob. medyo tahimik sila at nakikinig din. this
is the punch line na sinabi nya na nafeel ko na talagang he was deeply sorry and knows what
japanese have done before. japanese iyong pagkasabi nya po, ”スペイン人は最低だ、アメリカ は
もっと最低だ、だけど日本人は 最悪だ。”. i cant translate it in tagalog baka, magkamali ako eh
may mag react. but you know the usage of superlative. so meaning ang japanese daw ang
may pinkasamang ginawa sa atin. then he said to the younger guy seated on the left side
of me, na you must know the history. na kailngan alam nyo kung ano ginawa ng mga ninuno
nya before. he even said to that guy to say sorry to me. sabi ko eh di na kailangan. marinig
ko lang iyon sa isang hapon eh ok na sa akin. so waht i experience before in toyama and
with this, i think nabago rin pananaw ko when it comes to war, what it caused.
just wanted to share this, just keep posting something na naexperience nyo like this.
i hope na maexperience nyo rin, kasi i think mababago rin pananaw nyo.
proud me
04-09-2006, 02:48 AM
ako sa ilang taon ng naninirahan dito sa japan wala pa akong narinig o nakausap na japanese na ganyan…kung sino man siya bilib ako sa kanya…meron man akong mga nakausap tungkol sa w.w.2 puro yong sintirya nila sa pagkatalo nila :bowdown: