gabby
12-08-2005, 07:01 PM
This is an old issue but I think it is worthwhile that we should really push it once again. There must be a law to allow abortion and the use of contraception like condums and anti-pregnancy drugs. The Philippine population is exploding out of control. teenage marriage and children born out of wedlock are very serious social problems in the PI.
We must act now and no more procrastination.
DaiRyouKoJin
12-08-2005, 09:25 PM
This is an old issue but I think it is worthwhile that we should really push it once again. There must be a law to allow abortion and the use of contraception like condums and anti-pregnancy drugs. The Philippine population is exploding out of control. teenage marriage and children born out of wedlock are very serious social problems in the PI.
We must act now and no more procrastination.
sorry…
abortion…a big NO NO for me…
ibang contraceptive methods ok lang…wag lang abortion…plsss…
docomo
12-08-2005, 11:30 PM
… same here…NO to abortion… tina type ko pa lang yang word na yan , kinikilabutan na ko , mag contraceptive methods na lang para safe 
gabby
12-08-2005, 11:33 PM
… same here…NO to abortion… tina type ko pa lang yang word na yan , kinikilabutan na ko , mag contraceptive methods na lang para safe
Halimbawa ang anak ay binuntis nang brother niya or kaya nang Papa nya paano iyon?
docomo
12-09-2005, 12:08 AM
Halimbawa ang anak ay binuntis nang brother niya or kaya nang Papa nya paano iyon?
… Theres plenty of option Gabby , abortion pumapatay ka ng batang walang kamalay malay , kahit sabihin mo pang hindi pa buo etc… bata pa rin yung papatayin dun 
maytatsu
12-09-2005, 12:21 AM
makikisabat lang ha hehe
i go for abortion PERO on this cases lang like rape victims at gaya narin ng sinabi ni gabby na binuntis ng ama,bro etc. and lastly for me theres no such thing as safe sex unless NO SEX at all:)
adechan
12-09-2005, 01:03 AM
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denganda
12-09-2005, 04:50 AM
Ako, definitely against abortion. Para sa akin kasi, life begins at conception. The mere fact that two cells join together & start dividing is proof of life already. A living, human being is basically millions, even billions, of cells living, dividing & dying each day on their own. Only when a person is dead will our cells stop living & dividing altogether.
Even if the pregnancy is a result of incest (iyong rape by father, brother, any male relative), pwede naman ipa-adopt ang bata. There are a lot of couples who are not able to have kids, & giving a child up for adoption seems the reasonable thing to do in this case. As for the mother who is an incest victim, she should seek counseling. Regardless naman of who rapes a woman, she should seek counseling anyway.
As far as contraceptives, marami naman diyang pwedeng gamitin, & it’s really up to the person which method to use.
I think sex education should start at home, & should continue to be taught at schools. For parents, maraming books & resources on the internet that’ll help you explain things to kids at their level.
I remember noong ako’y nag-aaral pa that they did give the basics in high school biology class - iyong parts & functions ng reproductive system, and in college these things were further discussed along with contraception.
Especially for parents with daughters, the earlier you teach them about what is appropriate & inappropriate touching, the better it will help in having them avoid being a victim of incest.
As a kid, mahilig na akong magbasa. So at around 10 years old, when I started hearing about menstruation, I looked it up sa encyclopedia sa school library. Eh di ba sa encyclopedia may mga cross-references at the end of the article. So I read all the related links - reproductive system, sexual behavior, even sexual deviation. And that’s where I learned the terms incest, pedophilia, rape, bestiality, etc. Pero that word incest impacted me a lot, so at a young age I was aware of what was sexual behavior. I was able to avoid a few attempts of male relatives na nagtatangka sa akin. I remember may kamag-anak ako noon who was single na napapansin ko iba ang tingin sa akin pag naka-shorts ako. Once noong nanonood kami ng TV, umupo siya malapit sa akin & he stroked my outer thigh. Lumipat ako ng ibang upuan. One time inaya pa niya ako sa bahay-kubo niya para turuan raw ako mag-chess (magaling kasi siya sa chess & I was interested to learn at the time), eh mag-isa lang siyang nakatira roon. I knew what could happen, so I didn’t go hanggang nagsawa siyang kaaaya. If I hadn’t learned about the concept of incest at the age of 10, I would’ve been very vulnerable na maloko ng mga taong gaya niya.
Ika nga, knowledge is power, & the more informed people are about these things, the better able they are to make a wise decision on things like these.
Raiden
12-09-2005, 05:58 AM
I think it would be beneficial for the Philippines to legalize abortion, and to educate the masses about birth control and safe sex.
Meron akong nabasa not so long ago na about a large percentage of people in the Philippines na hindi alam kung paano talaga nabubuo ang mga bata. Ang sagot nila ay “bigay sila ng Diyos.”
Isa pang bagay na hindi ko maintindihan, bakit yung mga iba sa atin hindi na nga kayang buhayin ang sarili nila, pero anak pa rin nang anak. Di bale sana kung mabibigay nila yung pangangailangan nung bata at mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan, kaso hindi, yung mga bata pa yung namamalimos para may pangtawid gutom lang para sa kanyang pamilya. :mad:
I know that abortion may seem barbaric, but for me, it is a necessary evil.
Which is the lesser of these two evils.
Terminating the pregnancy at conception or a lifetime of misery and suffering for an unwanted child.
denganda
12-09-2005, 06:36 AM
Meron akong nabasa not so long ago na about a large percentage of people in the Philippines na hindi alam kung paano talaga nabubuo ang mga bata. Ang sagot nila ay “bigay sila ng Diyos.”
Isa pang bagay na hindi ko maintindihan, bakit yung mga iba sa atin hindi na nga kayang buhayin ang sarili nila, pero anak pa rin nang anak. Di bale sana kung mabibigay nila yung pangangailangan nung bata at mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan, kaso hindi, yung mga bata pa yung namamalimos para may pangtawid gutom lang para sa kanyang pamilya. :mad:
Talaga, a large percentage di talaga alam kung papaano nabubuo ang bata? Hay naku, nakakainis! Ignorance is no excuse!
Ako rin, di ko rin maintindihan iyong mga taong anak ng anak eh di naman kayang buhayin sarili nila let alone thier kids. Someone told me na they know someone sa probinsiya nila na mahirap pero maganda ang babae & may hitsura ang lalaki, who basically sell their babies to those who are unable to have kids, eh ang cu-cute pa naman ng mga babies nila.
In any case, I’m all for adoption, but I’m still against abortion and also against selling babies…
DaiRyouKoJin
12-09-2005, 09:59 AM
I think it would be beneficial for the Philippines to legalize abortion, and to educate the masses about birth control and safe sex.
Meron akong nabasa not so long ago na about a large percentage of people in the Philippines na hindi alam kung paano talaga nabubuo ang mga bata. Ang sagot nila ay “bigay sila ng Diyos.”
Isa pang bagay na hindi ko maintindihan, bakit yung mga iba sa atin hindi na nga kayang buhayin ang sarili nila, pero anak pa rin nang anak. Di bale sana kung mabibigay nila yung pangangailangan nung bata at mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan, kaso hindi, yung mga bata pa yung namamalimos para may pangtawid gutom lang para sa kanyang pamilya. :mad:
I know that abortion may seem barbaric, but for me, it is a necessary evil.
Which is the lesser of these two evils.
Terminating the pregnancy at conception or a lifetime of misery and suffering for an unwanted child.
sorry raiden…disagree ako sa sinasabi mo na “beneficial sa pinas ang abortion” pero AGREE ako sa “educate the masses about birth control and safe sex.”
when we talk about abortion, we are talking about “lives” of our little ones. Kung anu yung karapatan nating mabuhay sa mundo…ganun din sila.
Napakaraming mag-asawa na hirap sa pagkakaroon ng anak, tas yung iba ipapaabort lang…if this ( Abortion ) would be legalize, lalong “walang pag-iingat” na mangyayari. All of us will end as murderers.
Now, there are cases that abortion would be “apropriate” like in medical cases…for example may eclampsia ang mother, but still, the doctor will ask the mother kung sino ang pipiliin nyang mabuhay, sarili nya o ang bata.
yung iba, kahit hirap na hirap na, marami pa ring anak kasi “idle” sila. syempre, pag walang magawa, anung gagawin? eh di hahanap ng may “magagawa”. Dapat isa ito sa tinututukan ng govt naten. dapat more livelihood programs lalo na sa mga kapatid nating nasa probinsya para maging “mas productive” sila sa ibang bagay.
Educating the masses about birth control and safe sex-- actually naumpisahan na yan ni Sen. Flavier nung sya pa ang secretary ng Dept of Health, ang problema lang, nung naalis na sya sa pwesto, nahinto ang implementation.
alam nyo may isheshare ako sa inyo, nung nag aaral pa lang ako, nagduty ako sa isang govt hospital sa pinas, naka assign ako sa delivery room (DR). yung OBgyne na naka assign, lumabas sya ng (DR) tas nung sinilip ko sya palabas, nakita ko may kausap syang isang magandang babae at may kasamang isang japanese na lalaki. may inabot na 'prescription" yung doctor dun sa babae…after a few hours… nung tapos na yung shift ko, biglang may ni-rush na patient papasok ng DR, and then the OBgyne ask me to assist her…tas sabi ko " anu pong case?", di ako pinansin nung Ob tas pagpasok ko sa loob, nakita ko yung babaeng kausap nya, dinudugo na.
Pag inaalis yung baby kasi, parang nanganganak din. so nung nilalabas na namin yung baby, sobra ako nalungkot. boy yung baby and buo na yung hands ang legs nya. may ulo na pero di pa masyado buo ang eyes,nose,mouth. halos sakop nya ang isang buong kamay ko…i can almost hear na sumisigaw yung baby…begging for his life. At that moment, sobra kong minahal ang nanay ko kasi di nya ako pinabayaang mawala sa sinapupunan nya.
Weeks bago ako naka recover sa case ko na yun. halos ayaw ko sya ilista sa list ng mga cases ko sa hospital. At hindi ko tlga tinitignan yung OBgyne. nakakapanghinayang… kung binuhay nya yun, possible pa na sya ang mamuno sa bansa naten para maging mas maunlad ang pinas…or posible na sya rin ang maka discover ng mga gamot that can save lives…maraming posible if we could always prefer to look on the brighter side , mabuntis man sya thru incest/rape/etc…
@maytatsu
there is such thing as safe sex…as long as you know how to use it. you can have great sex anytime without fear of having a child and …be free from STDs. Maraming methods on birth control and safe sex.
Still… for me…an ounce of prevention, is better, than a pound of cure.
DJchot
12-09-2005, 10:37 AM
bakit sa ibang bansa like japan, legal ang abortion?
DaiRyouKoJin
12-09-2005, 11:12 AM
bakit sa ibang bansa like japan, legal ang abortion?
i dunno…siguro dahil iba ang culture ng japan…iba ang way ng pagbibigay nila ng halaga sa buhay.
for me…still…a big NO for abortion.
docomo
12-09-2005, 11:46 AM
sorry raiden…disagree ako sa sinasabi mo na “beneficial sa pinas ang abortion” pero AGREE ako sa “educate the masses about birth control and safe sex.”
when we talk about abortion, we are talking about “lives” of our little ones. Kung anu yung karapatan nating mabuhay sa mundo…ganun din sila.
Napakaraming mag-asawa na hirap sa pagkakaroon ng anak, tas yung iba ipapaabort lang…if this ( Abortion ) would be legalize, lalong “walang pag-iingat” na mangyayari. All of us will end as murderers.
Now, there are cases that abortion would be “apropriate” like in medical cases…for example may eclampsia ang mother, but still, the doctor will ask the mother kung sino ang pipiliin nyang mabuhay, sarili nya o ang bata.
yung iba, kahit hirap na hirap na, marami pa ring anak kasi “idle” sila. syempre, pag walang magawa, anung gagawin? eh di hahanap ng may “magagawa”. Dapat isa ito sa tinututukan ng govt naten. dapat more livelihood programs lalo na sa mga kapatid nating nasa probinsya para maging “mas productive” sila sa ibang bagay.
Educating the masses about birth control and safe sex-- actually naumpisahan na yan ni Sen. Flavier nung sya pa ang secretary ng Dept of Health, ang problema lang, nung naalis na sya sa pwesto, nahinto ang implementation.
alam nyo may isheshare ako sa inyo, nung nag aaral pa lang ako, nagduty ako sa isang govt hospital sa pinas, naka assign ako sa delivery room (DR). yung OBgyne na naka assign, lumabas sya ng (DR) tas nung sinilip ko sya palabas, nakita ko may kausap syang isang magandang babae at may kasamang isang japanese na lalaki. may inabot na 'prescription" yung doctor dun sa babae…after a few hours… nung tapos na yung shift ko, biglang may ni-rush na patient papasok ng DR, and then the OBgyne ask me to assist her…tas sabi ko " anu pong case?", di ako pinansin nung Ob tas pagpasok ko sa loob, nakita ko yung babaeng kausap nya, dinudugo na.
Pag inaalis yung baby kasi, parang nanganganak din. so nung nilalabas na namin yung baby, sobra ako nalungkot. boy yung baby and buo na yung hands ang legs nya. may ulo na pero di pa masyado buo ang eyes,nose,mouth. halos sakop nya ang isang buong kamay ko…i can almost hear na sumisigaw yung baby…begging for his life. At that moment, sobra kong minahal ang nanay ko kasi di nya ako pinabayaang mawala sa sinapupunan nya.
Weeks bago ako naka recover sa case ko na yun. halos ayaw ko sya ilista sa list ng mga cases ko sa hospital. At hindi ko tlga tinitignan yung OBgyne. nakakapanghinayang… kung binuhay nya yun, possible pa na sya ang mamuno sa bansa naten para maging mas maunlad ang pinas…or posible na sya rin ang maka discover ng mga gamot that can save lives…maraming posible if we could always prefer to look on the brighter side , mabuntis man sya thru incest/rape/etc…
@maytatsu
there is such thing as safe sex…as long as you know how to use it. you can have great sex anytime without fear of having a child and …be free from STDs. Maraming methods on birth control and safe sex.
Still… for me…an ounce of prevention, is better, than a pound of cure.
very well said
Dax
12-09-2005, 11:49 AM
Talaga, a large percentage di talaga alam kung papaano nabubuo ang bata? Hay naku, nakakainis! Ignorance is no excuse!
Precisely! I think the largest religious group - the Catholic church needs to cooperate with the government in educating the masses. Lagi na lang sila kontra ng kontra. They say they are pro natural methods - pero wala namang ginagawa! Just look at what happened to former health secretary Juan Flavier? Ang daming naging kaaway sa simbahan dahil sa ABC (abstinence, be faithful, condom) program nya.
As for me I am against abortion, unless it is for rape victims. But before we focus on abortion, we need first to get serious about birth control.
ronin
12-09-2005, 02:45 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
docomo
12-09-2005, 02:56 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
… We’ll add him in our prayers for your sons safe recovery
Little Johnny
12-09-2005, 03:11 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
you’re the man, ronin!!! we’ll pray for your son… God bless!!!
DaiRyouKoJin
12-09-2005, 03:15 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
it will. buti sinabi mo ito. my prayers are with you, your family and specially kay baby.
alam kong maraming magdadasal para sa inyo.
katty0531
12-09-2005, 05:27 PM
My prayers are with you also ronin san, thank you for sharing.
Ako din NO Abortion, YES family planning, Abortion is NOT a family planning.
It’s a work of an evil, each one of us has a healthy mind, think first kung kayang buhayin bago gumawa…kung na rape sabi nga ni denganda nasa isip mo na parin ang pag iwas pag tanggi…
kung nabuo talaga ipa adopt sa pwedeng bumuhay.
Here in Japan, the people here are not so devoted to God like us Filipinos.
DJchot
12-09-2005, 05:44 PM
Touched ako sa kwento mo Ronin. kahit ako, gagawin ko lahat para sa baby ko.
my prayers are with you.
Raiden
12-09-2005, 05:57 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
Hanga ako sa iyo, Ronin. Sana lahat ng magulang ay katulad mo.
I wish you and your family, especially your youngest son well.
Sana dumami pa ang lahi mo.
adechan
12-09-2005, 06:05 PM
talaga naman pong natutuwa ako at mukang lamang pa rin ang NO for abortion.
medyo nakakaiyak naman ang story mo ronin. May God provide all your needs FINANCIALLY, emotionally and spiritually.
bianca marie
12-10-2005, 02:02 AM
One question to ladies in general… Let’s say you got raped, and you got pregnat, can you look at the child that you gave birth and would be the constant reminder of the night you got rape. And you don’t know who’s the father. Or you will love the child and pretend that nothing happened.
What option would you choose? Give birth or abortion, You cannot judge other peoples opinion if your not in their shoes…Coz i have a niece that experience that.
docomo
12-12-2005, 12:16 AM
One question to ladies in general… Let’s say you got raped, and you got pregnat, can you look at the child that you gave birth and would be the constant reminder of the night you got rape. And you don’t know who’s the father. Or you will love the child and pretend that nothing happened.
What option would you choose? Give birth or abortion, You cannot judge other peoples opinion if your not in their shoes…Coz i have a niece that experience that.
Honestly, I couldn’t tell of how would I feel in the first place … devastated (probably)… But one thing I could only assure you, I am by all means have faith in GOD by having that faith and trust in him ,He won’t let me decide things I will regret for the rest of my life… Welcome to Timog Forum bianca marie , sorry to hear about the situation of your niece …I hope she’ll get over it with the help of up above in the sky and the love of the family she had
katty0531
12-12-2005, 12:29 AM
One question to ladies in general… Let’s say you got raped, and you got pregnat, can you look at the child that you gave birth and would be the constant reminder of the night you got rape. And you don’t know who’s the father. Or you will love the child and pretend that nothing happened.
What option would you choose? Give birth or abortion, You cannot judge other peoples opinion if your not in their shoes…Coz i have a niece that experience that.
Hello bianca marie, welcome here…im sorry also about your niece…
Please try to click yong binigay ni adechan na website sa itaas yong first post(abortion gallery) nya sa thread na ito kung kaya mo syang tingnan…kasi ako hindi ko kinaya mga 5 seconds ko lang syang napanood, siguro nga mahina ang loob ko.Kaya ko sigurong nasabi na work of an evil doon sa first post ko ,mukhang mabigat yong sinabi ko na carried away lang ako sa napanood ko.
Still my opinion is never to Abortion parin…siguro kung nasa kalagayan ako nang niece mo, papanindigan ko parin yong sinabi ko dito…
halloween
12-12-2005, 12:42 AM
My answer calls for a qualification (abay, parang sagot sa test ah, hehhehe).
General rule - no to abortion
Exception- in instances like rape (mas lalo na kung incestuous kasi may probability na maging abnormal ang bata), when the mother has to choose between her life and the baby’s, abortion is okay.
Para sa ken (oh opinyon lang ha, walang mag-aamok) iba iba ang circumstances ng bawat babae na may hinaharap na ganitong problema. Depende sa sitwasyson eh. Kahit siguro sa ibang bagay wala o bihira man ang absolute rule, laging may exception.
Sabi ni batman, no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property… Ano ba ang life kung i dedefine mo. Para sa 'ken, yon eh the right to a quality life. A life which has meaning. Aanhin mo ang buhay kung ang taong nagbigay sa yo ng buhay ay miserable dahil nabuhay ka. Know what I mean? Kaya don pumapasok ang mga sari saring scenario na kaakibat ng abortion. Di kasi lahat ng taong nag-papa abort eh pare pareho ang dahilan.
Kung feel mo lang makipag sex pero ayaw mo ng responsibilidad, yon outright I woud say no to abortion kasi hindi justified. Pero kung nananahimik ka sa isang tabi tapos ni rape ka ng tatay mo or ng kuya mo tapos minor de edad ka pa at nag-aaral, makakabuting mag-pa abort ka na lang kasi di mo lang sinasalba ang sarili mo kung hindi yung baby na isisilang mo.
katty0531
12-12-2005, 02:00 PM
My answer calls for a qualification (abay, parang sagot sa test ah, hehhehe).
General rule - no to abortion
Exception- in instances like rape (mas lalo na kung incestuous kasi may probability na maging abnormal ang bata), when the mother has to choose between her life and the baby’s, abortion is okay.
Para sa ken (oh opinyon lang ha, walang mag-aamok) iba iba ang circumstances ng bawat babae na may hinaharap na ganitong problema. Depende sa sitwasyson eh. Kahit siguro sa ibang bagay wala o bihira man ang absolute rule, laging may exception.
Sabi ni batman, no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property… Ano ba ang life kung i dedefine mo. Para sa 'ken, yon eh the right to a quality life. A life which has meaning. Aanhin mo ang buhay kung ang taong nagbigay sa yo ng buhay ay miserable dahil nabuhay ka. Know what I mean? Kaya don pumapasok ang mga sari saring scenario na kaakibat ng abortion. Di kasi lahat ng taong nag-papa abort eh pare pareho ang dahilan.
Kung feel mo lang makipag sex pero ayaw mo ng responsibilidad, yon outright I woud say no to abortion kasi hindi justified. Pero kung nananahimik ka sa isang tabi tapos ni rape ka ng tatay mo or ng kuya mo tapos minor de edad ka pa at nag-aaral, makakabuting mag-pa abort ka na lang kasi di mo lang sinasalba ang sarili mo kung hindi yung baby na isisilang mo.
Ohayou! halloween san,
Siguro tama ka sa paniniwala mo, pero may kanya kanya naman tayong paniniwala.
I’m not still convince don sa sinabi mong exception, if God who gives us life ang magsabi nyang exception na yan at hindi si batman maniniwala siguro ako.
Pasensya kana nag amok ako kunti…
JEM_jp
12-12-2005, 02:36 PM
I say NO to abortion.
If ma-legalize sa pinas yan, nako! parang balot nalang ang mga babies natin…
but seriously, there are many options in life to select aside from abortion.
while we are still living, there is still hope…
this is my own opinion lang ha…
halloween
12-12-2005, 09:40 PM
Hahahaha, di ko naman maiwasang di matawa sa sinabi mo katty.
When I said batman, I was referring to the constitution. Nasa bill of rights yong provision na yon, sinabi ko lang para may basis. Komportable lang akong magsabi ng basehan kapag nagbibigay ng opinyon sa isang argument. I just said batman para di nman masyadong seryoso ang dating.
True, may kanya kanya tayong opinyon at nirerespeto ko ang kuro kuro at pananaw ng mga taong taliwas sa inaakala kong tama at shempre kabilang don ang sa 'yo.
Peace! 
houseboy
12-12-2005, 10:01 PM
Kagalanggalang na Gabby,
Magandang gabi.
Siguro ay natutuwa ka na dahil maraming sumagot sa iyong katanungan.
Kung tungkol sa pagkitil ng buhay ng hindi pa naisisilang na sanggol, ala ako masasabi diyan. Siguro ay dahil wala akong sapat na kaalaman tungkol doon.
Kung sa Family Planning naman, aba’y sang-ayon ako diyan. Sa sobrang laki ng populasyon natin sa Pinas, kailangan nating limitahan ito sa pamamagitan ng mga tinatawag nilang “birth control methods”. Maaring maraming kumontra dito, pero ano pa nga ba ang tamang paraan para maitigil ang sobrang laki ng ating populasyon.
Sana kahit paano ay nakapagdulot ng konti mang kalinawan ang aking sagot.
Ang iyong “mate”,
Houseboy
gabby
12-12-2005, 10:51 PM
Kagalanggalang na Gabby,
Magandang gabi.
Siguro ay natutuwa ka na dahil maraming sumagot sa iyong katanungan.
Kung tungkol sa pagkitil ng buhay ng hindi pa naisisilang na sanggol, ala ako masasabi diyan. Siguro ay dahil wala akong sapat na kaalaman tungkol doon.
Kung sa Family Planning naman, aba’y sang-ayon ako diyan. Sa sobrang laki ng populasyon natin sa Pinas, kailangan nating limitahan ito sa pamamagitan ng mga tinatawag nilang “birth control methods”. Maaring maraming kumontra dito, pero ano pa nga ba ang tamang paraan para maitigil ang sobrang laki ng ating populasyon.
Sana kahit paano ay nakapagdulot ng konti mang kalinawan ang aking sagot.
Ang iyong “mate”,
Houseboy
Mula nang i-publish mo ang iyong lata napaka-poet mo na. Mag-sulat ka nang marami at igawa nating libro.
Tanong ko sa iyo poet houseboy. Ano ba ang kaibahan sa Contraception at abortion at masturbation?
houseboy
12-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Mula nang i-publish mo ang iyong lata napaka-poet mo na. Mag-sulat ka nang marami at igawa nating libro.
Tanong ko sa iyo poet houseboy. Ano ba ang kaibahan sa Contraception at abortion at masturbation?
Gabby,
Hindi po ako poet. Nagpapauso lang ako ng bagong paraan ng pagpopost.
Ang masturbation is sex with someone you love.
An contraception ay to prevent you from marrying someone you don’t love.
Abortion naman ay si Gary Lising.
Ang iyong tigaubos ng wine,
Houseboy
gabby
12-12-2005, 11:38 PM
Gabby,
Hindi po ako poet. Nagpapauso lang ako ng bagong paraan ng pagpopost.
Ang masturbation is sex with someone you love.
An contraception ay to prevent you from marrying someone you don’t love.
Abortion naman ay si Gary Lising.
Ang iyong tigaubos ng wine,
Houseboy
Hindi ka lang poet kundi creative creative pa. Gusto ko iyong sagot mo nakakatawa:p
To legalise abortion is the best thing to do. It’s just like to legalise the concept of Evil? Heh he he he . . .
bianca marie
12-12-2005, 11:45 PM
For your question…
Ang abortion nagpalaglag ng binubuntis nya ang babae; ang Masturbation is you have sex WITH YOURSELF and cotraception birthcontrol, nasa saiyo kung kilan mo gustong magkaanak.
Kung ang babae ang gumamagamit ng cotraception either pills ang tinitake nya or injection ang iba and ang doctor ng babae ang nagbibigay ng injection, usually good for 3 months. Kung ang lalaki naman ang gagamit either condom or withdrawal…Hope i answer your questions…
gabby
12-12-2005, 11:50 PM
For your question…
Ang abortion nagpalaglag ng binubuntis nya ang babae; ang Masturbation is you have sex WITH YOURSELF and cotraception birthcontrol, nasa saiyo kung kilan mo gustong magkaanak.
Kung ang babae ang gumamagamit ng cotraception either pills ang tinitake nya or injection ang iba and ang doctor ng babae ang nagbibigay ng injection, usually good for 3 months. Kung ang lalaki naman ang gagamit either condom or withdrawal…Hope i answer your questions…
Ah . . . Salamat po. Na - enlighten na ho ako. . . Ganoon ba iyun? Akala ko kase, Contraception ay BJ, Abortion ay masturbation.
bianca marie
12-13-2005, 12:02 AM
Your funny!!! Got any question about that ill be happy to answer you, By the way Midwife ako sa atin (phils).Take care… If you need tips in that matter i can help you too…
peacemaker
12-13-2005, 12:10 AM
To all TFL (timog forum lovers)
peace to everyone:)
Ang problema ng population explosion ay hindi lang sa bansa natin. I think this is a world problem. Thats why ang simbahan at ang gobyerno especially sa bansa natin ay minsan hindi magkasundo kung anong method ang i adopt upang ma reduce ang population exposion problem sa bansa natin.
Bakit nga ba naging problema ngayon sa mundo ang pagkaroon ng population explosion? In fact , I think this is God’s desire na magkaroon talaga ng maraming tao sa mundo batay sa kanyang second blessing to man na “magpakarami” ( Genesis 1:28). In fact the word “family planning” or “abortion” ay hindi mababasa sa bible sa dahilang man has been created by God to make many children.
I think hindi siguro natin nabigyan pansin ang tunay na kahulugan kung ano talaga ang nakasaad sa Genesis 1:28. It says:
“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth”.
So in other words God gave man the 3 GREAT BLESSINGS:
- Fruitful 2. Multiply 3. Have Dominion
Fruitfulness means carrying out good deeds as our mind tells us to (uniting our body with our mind), and through this completely experiencing God’s love by becoming a person of goodness. By completely inheriting God’s loving heart, we mature and come to reflect God’s image, and thereby fulfill the first blessing.
Multiplication means to create a wonderful family. God was saying that if Adam and Eve were to live by his words, they would become a perfectly loving couple and have a children of goodness. God’s Second Blessing meant that His children , after growing up and getting married, would have beautiful children and a happy family, and many such families together would make a wonderful neighborhood, community, nation and world. Therefore, the family built upon God’s love is the cornerstone for solving all the problems in society.
Have Dominion refers to govern the creation in truth and in love. God made all things so that we could live surrounded by beauty and abundance. However, if we donot understand the real meaning of the Third Blessing, we will end up polluting and destroying nature, and in the end, we will not be able to continue our own existence. Why did God give us these Three priceless blessings? It is because we are His children whom He created and whom He loves. We must live in accordance with the pattern of the three blessings in order that our world is as happy as God wants it to be.
Thank you .
peacemaker
gabby
12-13-2005, 12:20 AM
Peace maker
Ang Gobyerno at Simbahan ay hindi nagkakasundo sa isyung pam-ppopulaytion.
Ang population explosion ay nag-explode na sa Pilipinas.
Ang dominasyon nang Tao sa mundo at lahat nang ginawa nang Dios mo sa Mundo para sa Tao ay sobrang-sobra na. Over population is a big problem. Lands and Seas can no longer produce enough for people to feed. In fact almost everything has almost reached the diminishing return. There come a time when the meat that is on display at fresh markets will be human meats.
fremsite
12-13-2005, 12:32 AM
There come a time when the meat that is on display at fresh markets will be human meats.
katakuts ka naman gabs … :eek:
gabby
12-13-2005, 12:35 AM
katakuts ka naman gabs … :eek:
Iba talaga takbo nang utaks pag nagiging bato ano?
fremsite
12-13-2005, 12:37 AM
Iba talaga takbo nang utaks pag nagiging bato ano?
nga eh … paano pa kaya pag nag-open ka ng new thread ? thrilling kaya ang labas ?
palamig ka sa labas … para di ka na maging bato … magiging ice cube ka naman … nyahahahahaha!!! … kaka-aliw ka talaga …
bianca marie
12-13-2005, 03:26 AM
I think the goverment need to educate the teenagers kasi mostly ng nag-aasawa eh bata pa. Tapos ang nga anak nila di nakakapag-aral or can’t find a job. Sa Africa tinituraan nila ang nga bata about condom… alam mo ang sabi noong isang teenager sa condom daw nakukuha ang Aids w/c is not true it prevent aids. See we cant win some people just doesnt want to learn…
junleipuy
12-13-2005, 04:35 PM
wel, i agree…pero i think sa philippines, highschool sila nagstart mageducate ng students…
bianca marie
12-13-2005, 11:09 PM
That’s true! coz i’ved been there done that kinda thing , but my MOM is one tough cookie she hold me by the neck… Now i thank her for that coz i straightened mylife and im here in Canada. A friend of mine she’s already a grandmother at the age of 36… Her daughter is 14 years old and 4 months pregnant a high school drop out.
DaiRyouKoJin
12-14-2005, 02:36 PM
Gabby,
Hindi po ako poet. Nagpapauso lang ako ng bagong paraan ng pagpopost.
Ang masturbation is sex with someone you love.
An contraception ay to prevent you from marrying someone you don’t love.
Abortion naman ay si Gary Lising.
Ang iyong tigaubos ng wine,
Houseboy
di mo naman masyadong mahal ang “kamay” mo nyan???
neblus
12-14-2005, 02:44 PM
Pero hindi ba in a way, “available” na ang abortion even sa Pinas?
(1) Kung alam mo kung sino gumagawa, may kakilala kang doctor, kaibigan na nakaranas ng ganito, lahat sila alam kung saan pupunta para mag-abortion.
(2) iyon namang mga may kaya na naanakan ang kani-kanilang mga anak din, either dalhin sa Amerika o sa iba pang lupalop ng lugar and doon magpa-abort.
Bakit hindi na lang natin i-legalize … for example lang at iniisip ko pa kung saan ako… and then make it available kung kanino man na nangangailangan? This way, equal treatment sa bawat isa and lahat may access sa ganitong pamamaraan whether mayaman o mahirap etc.
Hindi ba ganon din ang divorce? Iyong mga mayayaman nakakakuha ng annulment and iyong mga wala pampadala ng lawyer sa Roma, naghihiwalay na lang?
DaiRyouKoJin
12-14-2005, 02:50 PM
[quote=neblus]Pero hindi ba in a way, “available” na ang abortion even sa Pinas?
— “illegally” available
Bakit hindi na lang natin i-legalize … for example lang at iniisip ko pa kung saan ako… and then make it available kung kanino man na nangangailangan? This way, equal treatment sa bawat isa and lahat may access sa ganitong pamamaraan whether mayaman o mahirap etc.
–what about sa unborn child…sa tingin mo ba “equal treatment” ang maibibigay naten sa kanya?
neblus
12-14-2005, 03:58 PM
[quote=neblus]Pero hindi ba in a way, “available” na ang abortion even sa Pinas?
— “illegally” available
Bakit hindi na lang natin i-legalize … for example lang at iniisip ko pa kung saan ako… and then make it available kung kanino man na nangangailangan? This way, equal treatment sa bawat isa and lahat may access sa ganitong pamamaraan whether mayaman o mahirap etc.
–what about sa unborn child…sa tingin mo ba “equal treatment” ang maibibigay naten sa kanya?
Pero DaiRyouKoJin,
“equal treatment” sa isang hindi ba nabubuhay?
Ang dami ng pressures and limitations sa Pinas particularly sa kabuhayan and then bibigyan mo pa ng another challenge iyong nanay in this case. Of course, kung kaya naman niyang buhayin ang sarili niya plus iyong kanyang magiging anak, regardless kung paano na-conceive iyong bata, okay lang siguro. But in half of the cases (assuming 50-50 split between those who can and can not afford), walang kaya iyong magiging nanay so paano pa iyong magiging anak?
infinite_trial
12-14-2005, 04:54 PM
magpavasectomy na lang ang mga lalaki or magpatali ang mga babaeng mag asawa na kung sa tingin nila ayaw na nilang mag anak. problema kasi sa pinas, kahit anong problema nakikisawsaw ang simbahan. if family planning will be enforced by the government…sunod sunod na mapagtutuunan ng pansin ang ibang prob ng pilipinas. overpopulated na kasi tayo tapos nadadagdagan lang ang walang trabaho taon taon. kaya din nagkakaroon ng brain drain. palagay ko yun tlg ang ugat ng lahat ng prob ng pinas. kahirapan dahil sa overpopulation.
junleipuy
12-14-2005, 07:54 PM
actually siguro ang problem lang sa mga nagpapa-abort, lack of awareness about safe sex and discipline…
let’s face it. wala na tayo sa panahon na pag nahawakan ang kamay ng babae … kasal na … di na rin malaking issue ang virginity…uso narin ang pre-marital sex … :yikes:
narinig na natin yung … kung may takot ka sa Diyos… wag mo gagawin yan. :eek: kung talagang mahal mo ko, pananagutan mo ko … :love: pero lahat ng ito ay dahil sa salitang … Bahala Na! :devil:
iba satin, may mga anak na, yung iba magkakaanak din pagdating ng panahon … if we have experienced this before and wasn’t able to manage the situation, let’s not let our children undergo the same. atleast … di man natin mapigilan ito, kahit papano mabawasan … :yesyes:
adechan
12-14-2005, 09:41 PM
“equal treatment” sa isang hindi ba nabubuhay?
mawalang galang lang po, ang pagkakaalam ko, pag nabuntis na ang babae, meron nang buhay sa kanyang sinapupunan.
docomo
12-14-2005, 11:39 PM
mawalang galang lang po, ang pagkakaalam ko, pag nabuntis na ang babae, meron nang buhay sa kanyang sinapupunan.
true … very true
bianca marie
12-14-2005, 11:52 PM
I know na may buhay na yon… But having kids it not easy you think you can just pop it out of the world then bahala na silang mabuhay ng kanila. It’s your responsability for life, kung single mother ako and i don’t have a job what would i do with my kids if their starving. Ayaw ko naman pakainin sila ng pinagnakawan ko.
I like my kids to have the best of everything. Kung iaanak mo naman then pakalat-kalat sa kalye don’t you think its more painful for me as a mother to see them like that. Pag nagpasya ang babaeng magpa-abort it’s not just because na buntis siya, she should think over it a million times and i bet she has a reason why she did what she has to do.
docomo
12-15-2005, 12:00 AM
I know na may buhay na yon… But having kids it not easy you think you can just pop it out of the world then bahala na silang mabuhay ng kanila. It’s your responsability for life, kung single mother ako and i don’t have a job what would i do with my kids if their starving. Ayaw ko naman pakainin sila ng pinagnakawan ko.
I like my kids to have the best of everything. Kung iaanak mo naman then pakalat-kalat sa kalye don’t you think its more painful for me as a mother to see them like that. Pag nagpasya ang babaeng magpa-abort it’s not just because na buntis siya, she should think over it a million times and i bet she has a reason why she did what she has to do.
it’s not easy yes … ( i know) i see your point…
no offense , but I pity people who take abortion as an option… takot sa aakuing obligasyon kaya magpapa abort? pathetic yon for me … marami pang ibang option… na pwedeng gawin … kung di mo kayang buhayin ipa-ampon mo na lang kesa patayin mo , baka paglaki ng anak mo pasalamatan ka pa dahil binuhay mo sya at di mo pinatay
( mas maganda ng pakinggan pina ampon mo kesa pinatay mo)
gabby
12-15-2005, 12:17 AM
it’s not easy yes … ( i know) i see your point…
no offense , but I pity people who take abortion as an option… takot sa aakuing obligasyon kaya magpapa abort? pathetic yon for me … marami pang ibang option… na pwedeng gawin … kung di mo kayang buhayin ipa-ampon mo na lang kesa patayin mo , baka paglaki ng anak mo pasalamatan ka pa dahil binuhay mo sya at di mo pinatay
Easy Pareng Docomo. I am neither anti-life nor pro-life but I am open to legalisation of Abortion. People make mistakes every now and then. I always frown at people who made love, get pregnant and force the man to marry her even if the woman doesn’t really sure if she loves him or not. But because she got pregnant she has to get married and force the man even if he is not ready. Marriage is not the answer when a woman gets pregnant. Unless abortion is legal the erring unmarried-couple wont have an option and in the process could not avoid getting trapped in a forced marriage with out the legal exit of divorce.
Basically, women have right to be promiscuous just like men and I believe in my heart, that women have right to choose to become a mother or not. If they are not ready to be a mother why should we stop them? Why should we be judgmental towards women who want to have an abortion?
docomo
12-15-2005, 12:29 AM
@gabby
I am cool gabs pare , I will never argue with this one… If that’s what you think then gooo … Why would I care it’s not my body and conscience anyway
… I already stated my opinion regarding this issue , that I’m for anti-abortion … I just said it, and I’m staying :)… end of the story for me
maple
12-15-2005, 12:40 AM
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Basically, women have right to be promiscuous just like men and I believe in my heart, that women have right to choose to become a mother or not. If they are not ready to be a mother why should we stop them? Why should we be judgmental towards women who want to have an abortion?
Hi gabby, pasingit lang ha.
I’ve always considered promiscuity, deviant and NOT a “right” nor a “privilege”.
O sige, balik na kayo sa topic niyo na abortion.
Basta kung ayaw niyo ng gulo later, “Make love…not babies!!!”
docomo
12-15-2005, 12:41 AM
Hi gabby, pasingit lang ha.
I’ve always considered promiscuity, deviant and NOT a “right” nor a “privilege”.
O sige, balik na kayo sa topic niyo na abortion.
Basta kung ayaw niyo ng gulo later, “Make love…not babies!!!”
yebaaah ! go girl!!!
gabby
12-15-2005, 01:02 AM
Hi gabby, pasingit lang ha.
I’ve always considered promiscuity, deviant and NOT a “right” nor a “privilege”.
O sige, balik na kayo sa topic niyo na abortion.
Basta kung ayaw niyo ng gulo later, “Make love…not babies!!!”
Deviant or right women still free to have sex with any man they fancy and undergo abortion when they get-pregnantand-don’t want-to-be–a-mother without the judgmental scrutiny of self-righteous people. Heh he he he . . . I am the champion of women’s right aint I?
infinite_trial
12-15-2005, 01:18 AM
hmmn…medyo off-topic pero why is it when a woman gets pregnant, engages in premarital sex, has several sex partners…people label that woman a slut. so what do you call a man who does the same (except for bein pregnant of course)?
docomo
12-15-2005, 01:24 AM
hmmn…medyo off-topic pero why is it when a woman gets pregnant, engages in premarital sex, has several sex partners…people label that woman a slut. so what do you call a man who does the same (except for bein pregnant of course)?
pig
gabby
12-15-2005, 01:28 AM
pig
Hoy! Below the belt ka na!!:mad: Nature namin iyan:p at hindi kababuyan yan:rolleyes:
docomo
12-15-2005, 01:33 AM
Hoy! Below the belt ka na!!:mad: Nature namin iyan:p at hindi kababuyan yan:rolleyes:
ako sinabi ko lang yung tawag dun dahil tinanong ni infinite trial (eh yun naman talaga tawag dun no)… ikaw binigyan mo naman ng meaning… ehem magkaiba po yun… sisihin mo sarili mo dahil ikaw nagsabi ng meaning ng pig at di ako
bianca marie
12-15-2005, 01:42 AM
I don’t desagree with you, Im a woman your a man. You have diff. opinion than i do. That’s all…
midnight
12-15-2005, 01:55 AM
i definitely agree for ABORTION. kailangan kasi handa ka rin at responsible enough ka talaga as a parent kung magkakaanak ka.ang ibang tao kasi sa atin walang iniisip kundi sarili lang nila,anak lang ng anak pero di naman kaya.sa huli ang kawawa ay mga bata.
ang sa akin lang kung narealize nya na di pa sya handa para magkaanak at nabuntis sya tapos gusto nya magpaabort eh di meron syang options…napakalaki ng responsibilidad ang magkaroon ng anak lalo na kung di ka pa prepared.
alam ko na sa mata ng diyos makasalanan ang abortion pero in my opinion mas napakalaking kasalanan kung ipapanganak mo ang bata at magiging kaawa awa lang dahil di ka pa handa at walang magandang kinabukasan na naghihintay.
Pro -abortion.
midnight
12-15-2005, 02:04 AM
it’s not easy yes … ( i know) i see your point…
no offense , but I pity people who take abortion as an option… takot sa aakuing obligasyon kaya magpapa abort? pathetic yon for me … marami pang ibang option… na pwedeng gawin … kung di mo kayang buhayin ipa-ampon mo na lang kesa patayin mo , baka paglaki ng anak mo pasalamatan ka pa dahil binuhay mo sya at di mo pinatay
( mas maganda ng pakinggan pina ampon mo kesa pinatay mo)
kawawang nilalang naman iyong bata kung isisilang mo pagkatapos ay ipaampon mo lang.ano yon hayop ??? hinod rin basta basta ang pagpapaampon,di mo rin sure na iyong makakaampon kung anong klaseng tao kung mabait o masama…
Hindi naman dahil sa takot sa obligasyon,ang isang matino ang utak na tao kasi iniisip na rin kung ano ang magiging kalagayan ng bata pagdating ng panahon kung di naman kaya ibigay ng isang magulang ang nararapat para sa kanyang anak.wag na tayong magpaka ipokrita o ipokrito,kahit sino naman pag nalagay sa alanganin magiisip din kung kaya mo ba ang magluwal ng isang sanggol.Lalo na sa pinas maraming kawawang bata ang nahihirapan at napapariwara dahil na mismo sa lack of preparation of the parents.
nearane
12-15-2005, 07:22 AM
[quote=midnight]kawawang nilalang naman iyong bata kung isisilang mo pagkatapos ay ipaampon mo lang.ano yon hayop ??? quote]
mas kawawa naman `yong bata na bago isilang ay papatayin na.
DaiRyouKoJin
12-15-2005, 10:49 AM
[quote=DaiRyouKoJin]
Pero DaiRyouKoJin,
“equal treatment” sa isang hindi ba nabubuhay?
Ang dami ng pressures and limitations sa Pinas particularly sa kabuhayan and then bibigyan mo pa ng another challenge iyong nanay in this case. Of course, kung kaya naman niyang buhayin ang sarili niya plus iyong kanyang magiging anak, regardless kung paano na-conceive iyong bata, okay lang siguro. But in half of the cases (assuming 50-50 split between those who can and can not afford), walang kaya iyong magiging nanay so paano pa iyong magiging anak?
para sa akin,
pag gusto…may paraan
pag ayaw…maraming dahilan.
kung anu ang karapatan na binigay sa tin ng mga magulang naten na mabuhay, ganun din ang karapatan na dapat makuha ng mga future babies naten.
still, abortion is NOT an answer.
DaiRyouKoJin
12-15-2005, 10:58 AM
[QUOTE=bianca marie]I know na may buhay na yon… But having kids it not easy you think you can just pop it out of the world then bahala na silang mabuhay ng kanila. It’s your responsability for life, kung single mother ako and i don’t have a job what would i do with my kids if their starving. Ayaw ko naman pakainin sila ng pinagnakawan ko.
an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
in every liitle thing we do, it coresponds to a responsibility.
kung di pa ready mag anak, atleast take/do some precautions bago pumasok sa mga alanganing sitwasyon.ang brain nasa ulo, wala sa puson.
for me, still, abortion is not an answer.
DaiRyouKoJin
12-15-2005, 11:04 AM
[QUOTE=midnight]kawawang nilalang naman iyong bata kung isisilang mo pagkatapos ay ipaampon mo lang.ano yon hayop ??? hinod rin basta basta ang pagpapaampon,di mo rin sure na iyong makakaampon kung anong klaseng tao kung mabait o masama…
- kung sa tingin mo" hayop" ang paningin sa batang pinapaampon, anu naman ang pwede mong itawag sa batang di pa nasisilang, eh pinatay na? siguro, mas gugustuhin ng mga batang yun na tawagin silang hayop, nakalanghap naman sila ng hangin kahit paano.
for me, still, abortion is not an answer, neither, an option.
everything happens for a reason, and every single life life in this world has the right to live.
bianca marie
12-15-2005, 11:05 AM
I don’t think that babae lang ang may dapat gawin …What about the man, sabi nga nila it takes 2 to tango. Before you to lala land, think about the prevention first. Don’t tell me sasabihin mo lang sa kanya; Bam,Bam thank you maam that’s not fair…
JEM_jp
12-15-2005, 11:09 AM
[quote=neblus]
para sa akin,
pag gusto…may paraan
pag ayaw…maraming dahilan.
kung anu ang karapatan na binigay sa tin ng mga magulang naten na mabuhay, ganun din ang karapatan na dapat makuha ng mga future babies naten.
still, abortion is NOT an answer.
Yep, abortion is not the answer…
Abortion is the option for the cowards and frail in dealing life’s situation…
Abortion is preferred by close-minded. hopeless and unworthy parents…
Abortion is a silent tool in degrading the morale as a human…
this is my opinion only… no offense to all! :rolleyes:
docomo
12-15-2005, 11:59 AM
mga peeps
relaks lang tayo ha… wala talagang may mananalo sa ganitong klaseng debate … kaya kahit na ano pang sabihin nating opinyon regarding anti or pro abortion wala naman pong mangyayari… kasi walang magpapatalo sa tin
… eto na lang magbigay na lang tayo ng magagandang advices para sa mga nakakabasa dito na hindi pa umaabot sa ganyang sitwasyon ng maka-pagingat na in the future…
mga girls , kung ayaw nyong umabot sa ganitong situation , be good, if can’t be avoided to be good, be careful … tandaan kung ang lalaki walang pigil kayo ang gumawa ng paraan para mapigil … magdala na rin kayo ng condom for sure just in case makalimutan yan ng partner nyo … take necessary precautions before heading to it … lalo na sa mga hindi pa handa etc etc… para walang problema later… tandaan*nasa huli lagi ang pagsisisi… magsisi man huli na, nandyan na yung problema kaya better magingat … ( mga "ibang"lalaki minsan nako walang ingat eh … he he he sorry mga pare ko , bato-bato sa langit tamaan wag galet)
denganda
12-15-2005, 12:14 PM
mga peeps
relaks lang tayo ha… wala talagang may mananalo sa ganitong klaseng debate … kaya kahit na ano pang sabihin nating opinyon regarding anti or pro abortion wala naman pong mangyayari… kasi walang magpapatalo sa tin
I agree with docomo. We all have our own opinions on this matter, so let’s not try to impose our own way of thinking on others, nor should we resort to denigrating others by saying someone’s close-minded if they don’t agree with our opinion.
infinite_trial
12-15-2005, 02:14 PM
teka sa mga sumasagot dito pano nyo icacategorize ang sarili nyo:
pro-choice or pro-life?
ngayon para sa pro-life, ano ang perception mo sa beginning ng buhay? nagsisimula na ba ito upon conception, or kapag nareach na nang fetus ang certain stage…blah blah
ngayon para sa pro-choice, all the way ba ang support mo sa pro-abortion, or still depends kung ang pregnancy is caused by incest, rape, etc…?
di ba ang hirap! nakakabaliw ang thread na to
KangKarot
12-15-2005, 02:53 PM
pro-life po ako at para po sa akin once nag meet ang healthy chromosomes ay may
buhay na iyan.
sa aking opinyon binigay sa atin ni GOD ang sex para sa purpose ng pag create ng
bagong buhay period. pero syempre ginawa nya na maging masarap na experience
un para mag enjoy tayo habang ginagawa natin un.
ito namang si tao inabuso ang sex kahit hindi paggawa ng buhay ang purpose ay
ginamit ng ginamit kaya ayun nagkawindang windang ang buhay !
this is not a thing to be abused kasi kay GOD very sacred ang action na ito kaya
dapat ito ay ginagawa lamang ng taong tunay na nagmamahalan at may lakas
ng loob to take the responsibility afterwards.
sana po nakatulong.
maimai
12-15-2005, 03:37 PM
binigay ng Lord sa atin ang buhay .walang tayo karapatan para tapusin ang buhay ng tao lalong na pgkadugo natin…kng nagkamali man at nabuntis dapat natin panindigan dahil gumawa tayo ng kasalanan,na sa simula pa lamang alam natin kng ano ang pagtutungoan…kung ako ang tatanungin gusto gusto ko na makababy,kc gusto ko na po makita yung mukha ng anak ko.hahehehe… kaya lng po hindi pa pinapalad…
docomo
12-15-2005, 03:52 PM
nakakabaliw ang thread na to
kaw talaga ha, ang dali mong ma carried away… nakakabaliw ba?
docomo
12-15-2005, 03:58 PM
[quote=midnight]
.wag na tayong magpaka ipokrita o ipokrito quote]
ahem ahem… mawalang galang na po… doesn’t mean may against sa abortion eh nagpapaka ipokrita or ipokrito … mga nagsasabi lang ng kani kanilang opinyon dito … relaks ka lang … peace tayo
depp
12-15-2005, 04:21 PM
depende na rin siguro sa case yan katulad nga ng nare-rape,kahit naman siguro sino di gusto yan.pero maiisip mo rin siguro kung sa yo o sa kapamilya mo nangyari,ano gagawin mo?ako,hindi ko masasagot ang bagay na yan.
adoption,napakabigat din nyan,hindi mo kilala ang mag-aadopt ng anak mo.paano kung impiyerno ang maging buhay nya sa piling ng mga umampon sa kanya?
wala pala akong maisasagot dito.pero me maitutulong ako kahit konti.yung anak ko,nung nagka-boyfriend kinausap ko na ng masinsinan,anak di ko maiiaalis ang maging curious kayo o makalimot kayo sa inyong mga sarili.isa lang,lagi mong ilalagay sa utak mo.maraming paraan para di magbunga.ang anak ko,ang isasagot.mommy naman?anak,ayoko kasi ng marami pang paliguy-ligoy,ika nga alam ko naman na doon patutungo ang lahat,e di maigi nang maunahan.lagi kaming ganoon,na nauuwi na lang sa biruan.ayun,nakatapo s,nakapagtrabaho ganon pa rin kami.at ang sagot nya,ganun pa rin.mommy naman?hay,how i miss my daughter na.
kaya,maaga pa lang ay turuan na natin ang ating mga anak ng dapat gawin.iba na kasi ang takbo ng panahon ngayon sa mga kabataan.
Raiden
12-15-2005, 04:39 PM
Abortion is one of those issues that religion should not get involved. :mad:
Religion is NOT synonymous with moral values or ethics.
docomo
12-15-2005, 06:48 PM
Abortion is one of those issues that religion should not get involved. :mad:
Religion is NOT synonymous with moral values or ethics.
di ka naman pow galet nyan
Raiden
12-15-2005, 06:50 PM
Hindi naman ako galit eh, nagpapaliwanag lang.
adechan
12-15-2005, 06:51 PM
true … very true
i am with you with your stand about this topic.:tiphat:
Little Johnny
12-15-2005, 07:10 PM
interesting this thread has become. unbiased my post must be… hmmmm…
For me, I will allow (allow, not legalize, take note) abortion if, and only if, it is completely justified. Exeptional cases like rape, incest, congenital deseases, etc may find justification on this matter. But for the population explosion, abortion is not the solution, but education. It is lack of education that leads many people into unwanted pregnancy, into population explosion, into massive poverty. Kaya ako… tissue at lotion lang para sure… hehehe:D
adechan
12-15-2005, 07:25 PM
unwanted pregnancy?
result of irresponsible sex.
abortion as a solution?
poor infant,
never been able to see the light,
never been able to breath the air,
never been able to speak out a single cry,
never been given the chance,
never been given freedom,
never been given anything at all,
but they are just piece of a rat,
conceived from this thing called SEX
great ecstasy isn’t it?
they say it’s OK for abortion?
because they never seen the child is alive,
very alive inside the mother’s womb.
RAPE CASES
i may never knew the exact feeling,
but if you will ever got the chance to visit hospital for AB as what we call it in PI
or the abnormals, you will meet different kind of abnormalities in different levels,
you will encounter different emotional feelings, and thoughts. But to summarize it,
they all TREASURE LIFE, and make it to the fullest.
kung may mga kakilala kayong may mga anak na abnormal, try to know even a little bit of
their lifestyle and you will know how important it is to be given the chance to live.
even helpless, abnormal children can be a blessing.
Looking at these people, why abort rape case infants.
Isn’t it everybody wants a CHANCE?
Do unborn infant don’t have this right?
Probably no, because they don’t have the power to claim their right?
What’s the use anyway?
PROLIFE
bianca marie
12-15-2005, 11:28 PM
I know kahit na mag-argue ka ng mag-argue walang end to. Why do you think may war pa rin sa Israeli at palestinians and it’s been hundreds of years, same with the Macedonians and the Greeks. Same with this topic i don’t care what others think. I listen to my own mind.
adechan
12-15-2005, 11:50 PM
I know kahit na mag-argue ka ng mag-argue walang end to. Why do you think may war pa rin sa Israeli at palestinians and it’s been hundreds of years, same with the Macedonians and the Greeks. Same with this topic i don’t care what others think. I listen to my own mind.
hi there bianca marie
totoo talaga, this topic is one of the endless topic
but in this thread everyone have the right to brought out their own opinions, and it’s up to us to take it or leave it, do it our way and let them do their ways.
someone there might be reading this thread and in this very kind of situation, either to abort or not, and it’s up to them to balance and decide which one.
after all, we are the one’s who will reap upon our own choices and decisions, and to every single word that we pronounce
docomo
12-16-2005, 01:04 AM
Abortion is one of those issues that religion should not get involved. :mad:
Religion is NOT synonymous with moral values or ethics.
Mind you… Not all Prolifers are christians or even religous
midnight
12-16-2005, 02:52 AM
Basta eto lang ang masasabi ko sa thread na to…Kung hindi mo kaya maganak o di ka pa handa wag mo ng ipagpatuloy pa at sa huli ang bata lang ang kawawa…
Nothing more to say…period.
neblus
12-16-2005, 12:04 PM
Sana nga pag pinagsabihan iyong mga hindi pa handa, ay hindi nila gawin or paabutin don sa punto na kailangan pa nilang magpalaglag ng bata.
However, kahit naman po anong sermon ang gawin natin about this, iba na ang mundo. We are “hundreds of years” from the time na ayaw magpahawak ng kamay ng mga Filipina!
So ano naman po gagawin natin? Dahil sa isang pagkakamali, ibabaon natin sila sa lalo pang malaking problema — iyong pagpapalaki ng anak?
Ano rin mangyayari don sa bata na palalalkihin kung hindi pa handa ang magpapalaki? Ipapa-ampon daw ika niya… Nakakita na ba tayo ng ampunan sa Pilipinas? Considering its conditions, hindi ba better na hindi na makakita ang isang bata ng liwanag kung puro gulo naman ang makikita niya.
hmmm… excuse the wording…
Pero hindi nga matatapos ito and even now, hindi ko rin alam where do I stand. But I would like more options for women…
Honey Yu
12-17-2005, 02:19 AM
WARNING: kung mahina ang puso ninyo DON’T EVER GO HERE.
see this ABORTION GALLERY (http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/)
see the high tech pics ultrasound 3D ultrasound (http://www.createhealth.org/p_gall.html#)
I`ve got carried away sa Abortion Gallery.Nakakaiyak naman po ksi kapapanganak ko lng rin po 4 months na baby boy ko,di ko lubos maisip na what if yung baby ko ang isa dun!
Mga wala silang AWA… No to ABORTION!
bianca marie
12-17-2005, 02:53 AM
I don’t think na ang nga nagpapa abort just because your pregnant, i bet you they have all the reason why their doing it. If can switch would it be nice kung ang asawa mo ang magbuntis. I don’t have to worry losing the baby fat that we women gain. And the stretch marks that stays in our stomach, our feet get swollen and we eat like a pig. Good grief!
gabby
12-17-2005, 11:53 PM
I think what makes this issue difficult to many is that they associate their faith in God to it. I mean God has nothing to do about this if and ever the state would make it a law. We already have achieved dominion over the world and we are now in the process of destroying the world through over-population.
= We need more gas and black oil for car and energy. Why because the demand for it is increasing multi-fold. Extraction and the by-product of all the industries are destroying the world. So there should be a population control and that includes abortion.
Heh he he at the first glance, looks like there is no connection but there is.
fremsite
12-18-2005, 12:09 AM
WARNING: kung mahina ang puso ninyo DON’T EVER GO HERE.
see this ABORTION GALLERY (http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/)
see the high tech pics ultrasound 3D ultrasound (http://www.createhealth.org/p_gall.html#)
adechan ~~~~ … bakit ko ba nabuksan pa yung Abortion Gallery …:doh:
nagsisisi tuloy ako …:ohlord: kawawa naman mashado …
waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh hhh~~~~~~~baka mapanaginipan ko pa …
mag-pray na nga lang ako before i sleep tonight …
docomo
12-18-2005, 12:50 AM
I think what makes this issue difficult to many is that they associate their faith in God to it. I mean God has nothing to do about this if and ever the state would make it a law. We already have achieved dominion over the world and we are now in the process of destroying the world through over-population.
… What’s the difference with many like “you” who doesn’t make this issue not so difficult because they doesn’t associate their faith in GOD?? … Don’t you think it’s a “same thing”???
… ayokong ma-legalize sa atin ang abortion … gagawin na yang scape goat… ano na lang ang moral kung maging legal yan… mas papayag pa akong maging pro-choice kesa ma-legal yang abortion na yan
gabby
12-18-2005, 01:05 AM
… What’s the difference with many like “you” who doesn’t make this issue not so difficult because they doesn’t associate their faith in GOD?? … Don’t you think it’s a “same thing”???
… ayokong ma-legalize sa atin ang abortion … gagawin na yang scape goat… ano na lang ang moral kung maging legal yan… mas papayag pa akong maging pro-choice kesa ma-legal yang abortion na yan
Ganoon din naman yon. Ang dami-dami nang nagpa-abort kahit hindi pa legal. Sabi nga ni Jesse let the weeds and plants grow together for when the harvest time comes the plants will be harvested and the weeds will be thrown to the fire of hell. So, why would we artificially stop the weeds from growing. If their names are not written in the book of life these people are still the same. They are immorals as you called them. If abortion would be legal, you are not going to abort your child are you?
docomo
12-18-2005, 01:45 AM
Ganoon din naman yon. Ang dami-dami nang nagpa-abort kahit hindi pa legal. Sabi nga ni Jesse let the weeds and plants grow together for when the harvest time comes the plants will be harvested and the weeds will be thrown to the fire of hell. So, why would we artificially stop the weeds from growing. If their names are not written in the book of life these people are still the same. They are immorals as you called them. If abortion would be legal, you are not going to abort your child are you?
( may sayings ka pang nalalaman ha ,ang kasabihan nga naman )
If I ever say yes to abortion , Do you really think I could still belong to this so called morals ?? …“moral” from what I understand is a principle right generally accepted by a society:)
puting tainga
12-18-2005, 12:40 PM
Back to gabby’s original question;
The point is in order to stop population increase, should we legalize abortion?
It is based on the assumption legalizing abortion will contribute to stop population increase.
But I wonder if it really works, for I’ve seen poor people making babies in Japan though abortion is readily available.
Strong faith? Lack of education? Incapable of calculating cost of raising children against the cost of abortion?
As I have written in another thread, now is the time (I think) when “make-babies-DNA” is getting stronger by eliminating people who prefer contraception and abortion to making babies.
However, this comment does not mean I am against legalizing abortion.
Actually I am “pro-choice” , though I’ve been Republican when it comes to American politics.
gabby
12-19-2005, 03:02 AM
( may sayings ka pang nalalaman ha ,ang kasabihan nga naman )
If I ever say yes to abortion , Do you really think I could still belong to this so called morals ?? …“moral” from what I understand is a principle right generally accepted by a society:)
Morality can be viewed from different perspective. Of course if you adopt the morality dictated by the church, you would view it as immoral. But if you view it from the stand point of economics and management population control, including abortion but not necessary, is absolutely the right thing to do.
docomo
12-19-2005, 05:06 PM
Morality can be viewed from different perspective. Of course if you adopt the morality dictated by the church, you would view it as immoral. But if you view it from the stand point of economics and management population control, including abortion but not necessary, is absolutely the right thing to do.
Still not an option for a solution
thermometer
12-19-2005, 07:09 PM
Morality can be viewed from different perspective. Of course if you adopt the morality dictated by the church, you would view it as immoral. But if you view it from the stand point of economics and management population control, including abortion but not necessary, is absolutely the right thing to do.
might be an option for medical situation… it can be accepted
Hungry eyes
12-21-2005, 01:21 AM
Siguro nga applicable sa iba ang Abortion…depende sa sitwasyon.hindi naman kasi natin alam kung kailan natin masasabi na …kung hindi ko pi na abort yun baby ko na gawa ng rape malaki na siguro sya at baka minahal ko pa…or sana pi na abort na lang kitang bata ka kung ganyan ka lang pala lalaki…or kung alam ko lang na abnormal ka pala at pag namatay ako sino na titingin sa iyo…at wala kang maipakain …umiikot ang mundo maraming mangyayari na hindi natin alam…at marami pang siguro …ganito at ganoon…kahit yes or no to abortion…nandyan pa rin yun regrets…sa bandang huli…sana lang huwag naman mangyari sa atin iyon…hindi rin ako nag kukulang sa pagtuturo sa mga anak ko…na magiging maingat sila pareho kasing babae…pero hindi ko rin alam kung paano iikot ang mundo para sa kanila…hindi ko rin pwedeng sabihin na nandito lang ako anak para sa inyo…baka wala na ako noon…so just pray and hope .na matutunan din nila ang tama at mali…
Hungry eyes
12-21-2005, 01:21 AM
Siguro nga applicable sa iba ang Abortion…depende sa sitwasyon.hindi naman kasi natin alam kung kailan natin masasabi na …kung hindi ko pi na abort yun baby ko na gawa ng rape malaki na siguro sya at baka minahal ko pa…or sana pi na abort na lang kitang bata ka kung ganyan ka lang pala lalaki…or kung alam ko lang na abnormal ka pala at pag namatay ako sino na titingin sa iyo…at wala kang maipakain …umiikot ang mundo maraming mangyayari na hindi natin alam…at marami pang siguro …ganito at ganoon…kahit yes or no to abortion…nandyan pa rin yun regrets…sa bandang huli…sana lang huwag naman mangyari sa atin iyon…hindi rin ako nag kukulang sa pagtuturo sa mga anak ko…na magiging maingat sila pareho kasing babae…pero hindi ko rin alam kung paano iikot ang mundo para sa kanila…hindi ko rin pwedeng sabihin na nandito lang ako anak para sa inyo…baka wala na ako noon…so just pray and hope .na matutunan din nila ang tama at mali…
mOtt_erU
09-12-2006, 07:38 PM
Alam nyo, Muntik na ako magpa-abort ng baby.hindi naman umabot sa point na actual naming ginawa, but it did cross my mind several times. Hanggang ngayon naiisip ko, will it have been better for us and for the baby kung pina-abort nga namin siya noon. You see, my youngest son marami siyang sakit. He has ASD (http://www.americanheart.or g/presenter.jhtml?iden tifier=11065)(Atrial septal defect) and PDA (http://www.chdinfo.com/chdarticles/pda1.htm)(Patent Ductus Arteriosus), may mga extra holes siya sa puso, He was also born with a perforated anus, First day niya in this world, they had to operate on him,(colostomy operation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define+colostomy). )
Before I came here, In october my son had his second operation (he was 3 months old at the time). Nagka-complication ang first operation niya, adhesion daw,nagkadikit-dikit ang bituka, they had to cut a third of his small intestines. Noong papasok na kami sa operating room,just before ko siya ibigay sa nurse, hawak-hawak ko siya in my arms and I will never forget the look in his eyes, he was barely able to cry, naninigas na siya, You can’t imagine the pain he was feeling at that moment. right there, nadiscobre ko, of what being a father is all about. It is about doing all you can to protect your family and to provide for them, masarap ang feeling to be needed. Siguro everybody feels that way, kaya if you’re thinking of having an abortion, think again.
Tutoo nga, Mga anak natin bigay sila ng Dios…
Nalulungkot ako when I hear about abortion, kasi nai-imagine ko ang anak ko, noong bago siya operahan…
Kaya against ako diyan, no matter what…
By the way, this january pag-uwi ko, nakaschedule na siya for his third operation…I hope it goes well…
saludo ako sa Sincerity mo rOnin San,
my Prayers for your musko.
love0308
09-13-2006, 03:53 PM
Well ofcourese all of us will say no to abortion especially christian people. Pero bakit po kaya dito sa Japan and some countries is legal ang abortion although it is against God laws.
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