halloween
10-17-2005, 01:51 PM
While cycling along the arcade, I noticed this Japanese guy clad in white garments who was holding a walking stick. He was just standing in a corner with one arm stretch out. I couldnt help but asked, pulubi ba to? Gusto ko sanang kuhaan ng picture but I decided not to baka ma offend.
This country prides itself for being the world’s second largest economy with very self-sufficient people. May pulubi rin ba dito?
Hungry eyes
10-17-2005, 02:11 PM
meron…marami mostly makikita mo sila sa mga parks paggabi na.or sa ilalim ng tulay.here in japan.they were called as homeless.but i dont seem them asking for money.or namamalimos.
ganda_girl89
10-17-2005, 02:14 PM
yap.madami sa ueno at shinjuku pero tama si hungry eyes,homeless sila at di nanghihingi ng limos tulad sa mga nasa quiapo.
hotcake
10-17-2005, 02:16 PM
While cycling along the arcade, I noticed this Japanese guy clad in white garments who was holding a walking stick. He was just standing in a corner with one arm stretch out. I couldnt help but asked, pulubi ba to? Gusto ko sanang kuhaan ng picture but I decided not to baka ma offend.
This country prides itself for being the world’s second largest economy with very self-sufficient people. May pulubi rin ba dito?Hello halloween, iyong sinasabi mo na naka white garments and just standing in a corner ay hindi beggar. Iyon or siya ay “unsui”（ 雲水)(bishop), sabi ng asawa ko kaya daw sila nakatayo ay nagte-training daw ang mga iyon. Pinae-explain ko sa kanya in detail kaso ang hirap ng mga sinasabi niya e.
docomo
10-17-2005, 02:17 PM
While cycling along the arcade, I noticed this Japanese guy clad in white garments who was holding a walking stick. He was just standing in a corner with one arm stretch out. I couldnt help but asked, pulubi ba to? Gusto ko sanang kuhaan ng picture but I decided not to baka ma offend.
This country prides itself for being the world’s second largest economy with very self-sufficient people. May pulubi rin ba dito?
…marami halloween pag morning dyan sa may yokohama station nagkalat hile-hilera sila may mga maliliit silang bahay made of boxes yung iba may tolda pa … pero tinatanggal din naman nila dahil istorbo sila sa daanan ng mga taong pasakay ng train(mga law abiding citizen pa din kahit papano)…kahit saan yata di na maiiwasan na may home less 
myukasky
10-17-2005, 02:29 PM
Dito din sa Osaka marami homeless ang tawag sa kanila, di sila namamalimos or umaasa sa kapwa nila. Nagwowork sila yung iba naman namumulot ng can or kung ano mang mapagkakakitaan. May nakausap akong japanese before, sabi nya mas marami pa daw pera ang mga iyan. Sa banko nila iniipon para incase na may emergency may mahugot sila. Naalala ko tuloy yung sinabi ng mother in law ko, after WWII ang daming bata or matanda namamalimos dito sa japan.
Paul
10-17-2005, 02:29 PM
@halloween
Tama si hotcake, hindi mga pulubi 'yan. Mga zen buddhists in training or shugyo (修行).
Teddy
10-17-2005, 02:42 PM
Some people chose to be homeless because they were fed up with all the complicated relationship with thier bosses/collegues or power politics in the companies they worked at and decided to leave there. They are afraid to go back into workforce and get a new job, would rather be free from all the involvement in society. I can relate to them because annoying bosses/coworkers are just about everywhere…
I always wish to run away from there and live peacefully without any harrassment in life… But I still have no guts to rove around and look for food in garbage cans with cats/mice/crows:p Some people even run thier own business before they became homeless.
rodem
10-17-2005, 03:08 PM
marami din dito… pero hindi sila mga beggars kundi mga homeless nga… like sa kannai, makikita mo sila na natutulog sa underpass… ang kulit pa nga ng mga itsura nila e kasi para silang natutulog sa nitso… bawat isa sa kanila is nasa loob ng box natutulog as in covered… siguro kaya ganun kasi malamig na e…
While cycling along the arcade, I noticed this Japanese guy clad in white garments who was holding a walking stick. He was just standing in a corner with one arm stretch out. I couldnt help but asked, pulubi ba to? Gusto ko sanang kuhaan ng picture but I decided not to baka ma offend.
This country prides itself for being the world’s second largest economy with very self-sufficient people. May pulubi rin ba dito?
Janer
10-17-2005, 03:41 PM
@halloween
Tama si hotcake, hindi mga pulubi 'yan. Mga zen buddhists in training or shugyo (修行).
Monks before depend on the goodness of the community for their basic necessities so they beg. The modern monks still continue that practice of “begging” but don’t depend on it for survival. More of test for patience, tolerance and concentration na nga lang yun ginagawa nila.
Sa homeless naman, madami na nga sila. Copy & paste ko na lang dito yung phlog entry ko before about them.
http://www.timog.com/gallery/files/3/9/5/homeless.JPG
When I go to Tokyo and scrimping on my budget, I usually take the midnight bus. The ride is comfy and I don’t have any problems sleeping in the bus. The downside is that I arrive in Tokyo pretty early. Early, as in before 5am I’ll already be at Tokyo Station. Too early to meet friends so I just kill time exploring Ueno Park or the Imperial Palace.
Tokyo’s Ueno Park is famous for it’s night view during cherry blossoms season. In any other day, it is far more familiar as the home of a swelling tent city housing part of Japan’s growing number of homeless. At 5am most of them are just folding the boards where they slept or having coffee at one of the park’s benches. But what is striking here is that despite the mushrooming of tents, they keep their surroundings impeccably clean. Those who don’t live on tents have bicycles which carry their material possessions. Talk about homeless-on-wheels. But even birds have nests, so maybe they do come back here as night falls.
Unlike the usual homeless profile, the homeless here, mostly men in their forties and fifties, do not look or dress like vagrants. Thanks to the running water in the park toilets where they could take a shower. I was sitting on the children’s swing watching a badminton game and 4 or 5 other old men were also watching while brushing their teeth. Oh well, the whole park is their home, maybe that part is just an extension of their sink?
How do they survive? They do not beg for money; they are too proud to beg. Besides, begging is frowned by the conservative Japanese who would rather avoid the beggar than give alms. What the homeless do instead is to sell the tin cans that they have collected. I wandered to that area at the back of the Tokyo Metropolitan Museum where they were loading the cans to a dump truck. I overheard their chatter wondering why I was there early in the morning and one man said I could be a gaijin who doesn’t know any better. Other than that hapless remark they didn’t bother me.
Most of them were former employees who were laid off due to company restructurings. While some of them has taken jobs again, I guess they favored the carefree lifestyle at the park so they stick it here.
Teddy
10-17-2005, 04:09 PM
How do they survive? They do not beg for money; they are too proud to beg.
They usually apply for day labor at a construction site, etc. or they just scavenge for food. If they form a group, they share food they got from garbage. A lot of “obentos” that expired are dumped at the back of convenience stores.
striver
10-17-2005, 06:21 PM
the one you seen on the station of the train wearing a white clothes and
looks like a monk is not a beggar. actually they are a buddhist monk and asking for
help financially but they are not asking that to people directly. they just cling their
bell for the people to notice them.
actually buddhist monk have a practice also to walk a very long distance and stop
for every otera station. theyre doing this for to show their strong belief. this people
called as “ohenro”. maybe you will notice them especially when you are in province
area.
the homeless you always seen on the park is not totally a beggar. sabi nga sa kin
ng kaibigan ko is mga tamad lang iyon to work, or they totally dont have that interest
to live a common life. they are tired of it. maraming work dito sa japan and their
labor force are weak kaya kung may interest sila to work madali lang makakita.
but karamihan din sa kanila ay mga president ng company before, mga shacho rin
karamihan sa kanila. what happen is when the bubble economy of japan started on 1985
they make lot of utang in the bank, and when that ended, walang natira sa kanila kundi
mga utang na milyon milyon. so for them na makatakas sa problemang iyon, they proclaim
that their company was busted on the bank. japanese call it “hassan”. when you are in
“hassan” state wala ka ng pagaari. so even when your work, your salary will go to the bank
directly and will just left some amount enough for you to feed yourself. so karamihan sa
mga hapon pag nasa hassan na sila they choose a homeless life po. that is the story
of some of them.
for your information, thank you po.
Dax
10-17-2005, 06:26 PM
Beggars? Meron naman siempre. Just come to St. Ignatius Church near Yotsuya station. Dun siya lagi naka-upo/higa sa may tabi ng tulay. A guy around his 50s or 60s. Madalas kong makita may shochu (One Cup Ozeki). :rolleyes:
nearane
10-17-2005, 06:27 PM
palagay ko ay hindi pulubi `yon nakita mo. tama si hotcake at paul na baka buddhist monk/priest na sana training. palagay ko kung hindi sila buddhist/priest ay sila yong nag-pilgrimage dyan sa shikoku. meron kasi dyan sa shikoku (tokushima, kochi, ehime at kagawa) na pilgrimage na iniikot nila ang apat na prefecture at bumibisita sa mga temples. kung hindi ako nagkakamali eh 88 lahat ang temples na dapat na mapuntahan mo para makumpleto mo ito.
galing kami dyan last year sa shikoku dahil nagkaroon kami ng trip kasama ang mga kaibigan kong nihonjin at marami rin kaming nabisita na temple and along the way marami kaming nakitang mga naglalakad at sabi nga ng kaibigan kong nihonjin eh nag-pi-pilgrimage nga daw. and since nasa tokushima ka baka sila ang nakita mo.
puting tainga
10-18-2005, 04:16 AM
Oo, tama ang sinabi ni nearane. (How should I pronounce your name?)
Considering the place, and the fact the clothe was mostly white, he was on his way of Shikoku Pilgrimage. （お遍路）
Above is the URL of Wikipedia (English).
In it, all the 88 temples are lited.
Also, beggers in Japanese is 乞食(kojiki), but using the same kanji, if you refer to buddists perfoming their training(修行 syugyo), you must say Kotsujiki, or 乞食業(kotsujiki-gyo)
The 雲水(unsui) who are doing their 乞食業(kotsujiki-gyo) are usually clad in white dress and black cape or upper gown, I don’t know how to call them. Probably called 袈裟(kesa).
City_rabbit
10-18-2005, 04:57 AM
Beggars? Meron naman siempre. Just come to St. Ignatius Church near Yotsuya station. Dun siya lagi naka-upo/higa sa may tabi ng tulay. A guy around his 50s or 60s. Madalas kong makita may shochu (One Cup Ozeki). :rolleyes:
Hey Dax,
I see that guy everytime I go to mass. He looks scary-
One time - he was sleeping -two women passed by but did not give him alms… he got so angry…actually he was pretending to sleep where in fact he was watching his can.
Better be careful
adechan
10-25-2005, 09:17 PM
one time we strolled around harajuku kasama namin ang 5 years old pamangkin …
sabi ba naman nang pamangkin ko sa mama nya “mama, mama mite, oojichang pantsu ana haiteru” may butas daw iyung pants nang mamang pulubi, pag kita namin doon sa itunuturo nang bata nakita namin iyong pulubing may hawak na parang kahon para yata sa abuloy sa kanya, at ang pants so disgusting nga. nakalitaw po sa butas ang alam nyo na:eek: . hinatak na lang namin ang bata palayo sa scenery na iyon.
Teddy
10-26-2005, 03:33 PM
nakalitaw po sa butas ang alam nyo na:eek:
Hmmmmmm…:conf used: …:eek: …:crash: :shutup: :bricks:
adechan
10-26-2005, 06:58 PM
Hmmmmmm…:conf used: …:eek: …:crash: :shutup: :bricks:
pasensya na po at di napigil na ikuwento … grabe po kase, shocked kami nung time na iyon.
WaZ
12-01-2005, 11:58 AM
meron ako nakita dito sa osaka naka tent pa, sa park hindi ba sila pulubi? para ngang camping site kasi more than 3 next time picture ko
Dkid
12-01-2005, 10:59 PM
naranasan ko na po yung isang mamang humingi ng abuloy sa akin, doon po yun sa may bandang kawasaki malapit sa eki. nakakawa yung mukha niya. mga bandang 8pm na po yun, sabi niya di pa raw siya kumain at gutom na gutom na talaga sya, at marami pa syang sinasabi na di kona ma comprehend.
naisip ko na, siguro totoong gutom na talaga siya, dahil di biro sa isang hapon na humingi ng abuloy!kaya binigay ko nalang yung 2senyen sa walet ko. pero, mga 1 hour later dumaan ulit ako doon pauwi sa amin, nakita ko yung mama may hawak na one cup!pero di parin nagbabago ang paningin ko sa mga hapon, siguro he is one in a million
gabby
12-01-2005, 11:38 PM
Homeless in Japan are not beggars. They all are on welfare. Well technically they are beggars. Most of them are from inakas who came to the big cities to work during the bubble era. When the bubble burst a decade ago they got laid off and have refused to go back to where they came.
Teddy
12-02-2005, 04:17 PM
naranasan ko na po yung isang mamang humingi ng abuloy sa akin, doon po yun sa may bandang kawasaki malapit sa eki. nakakawa yung mukha niya. mga bandang 8pm na po yun, sabi niya di pa raw siya kumain at gutom na gutom na talaga sya, at marami pa syang sinasabi na di kona ma comprehend.
naisip ko na, siguro totoong gutom na talaga siya, dahil di biro sa isang hapon na humingi ng abuloy!kaya binigay ko nalang yung 2senyen sa walet ko. pero, mga 1 hour later dumaan ulit ako doon pauwi sa amin, nakita ko yung mama may hawak na one cup!pero di parin nagbabago ang paningin ko sa mga hapon, siguro he is one in a million
You are too nice!:eek: I guess he was taking a sip after dinner… I believe your donation to him didn’t go to the drain:( But I don’t why they love “one cup” so much:confused:
lilo
12-02-2005, 05:29 PM
a yeah. nung pinasyal ako ng colleague kong hapon around shibuya area, me nakita kaming natutulog sa daan. to me, it wasn’t a big deal kasi dami sa pinas ng ganun kaso yung kasama kong hapon was really embarassed. he explained nga na nito na lang daw nagkaroon ng mga ganun dahil sa pumapangit na economy ng japan.
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