Paul
09-15-2004, 04:08 PM
sa mga mahilig kumuha ng litrato, usap tayo tungkol sa camera.
si reon gamit yata ay Contax ST. ako gusto ko ring bumili ng Contax pero ang gusto ko yung rangefinder nila na G2. kaso mahal pa rin kahit second-hand.
http://www.photographyrevie w.com/Channels/PhotographyReview/images/products/product_83351.jpg (http://www.photographyrevie w.com/PRD_83351_3138crx.as px)
kaya bumili muna ako ng Kiev II. rangefinder na galing USSR na clone ng Contax II. naaliw kasi ko sa history nitong Kiev. kinuha ng USSR yung gamit at technology ng Carl Zeiss sa Germany pagkatapos ng WWII at gumawa sila sa USSR. ang nangyari, mas marami pang Kiev kesa original na Contax. pero yung quality nung optics at nung camera ay halos pareho lang.
http://cmehappy.fantastic-camera.com/kiev2/kiev2-0.jpg (http://www.cameraquest.com/zconrfKiev.htm)
pero ang kalimitan kong gamit ngayon ay Canon EOS Kiss Digital. mahal kasing magpa-develop ng film, tsaka hindi nakapanghihinayang kumuha ng maraming picture kapag digital ang gamit mo.
http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CAVZK.09.MZZZZZ ZZ.jpg (Canon EOS 300D / Digital Rebel / Kiss Digital Review: Digital Photography Review)
pero siyempre, hindi porke may magandang camera ka makakuha ka na ng magandang litrato, di ba?
(click on the pics for more info)
reon
09-17-2004, 06:31 AM
paul,
meron bang light-meter 'yang kiev na nasa picture? magkano ba sa sendai ang kiev II o kiev III?
reon
Paul
09-17-2004, 07:10 AM
reon,
walang light meter yung Kiev II, yung Kiev III meron. ang light meter nun nasa ibabaw parehong-pareho ng Contax III. yung Kiev ko binili ko sa eBay. 1951 pa ginawa pero ok pa ring kumuha ng pics.
daddy_b
09-17-2004, 04:07 PM
I am sure na marami na sa inyo ngayon ang gumagamit ng digital but I can’t seem to let go of my film cameras just yet. For one, ang film ay equivalent to 20 megapixels whereas iyong mga high-end na digital cameras ay hanggang 13 MP lang, and they cost almost a million yen. Mahal nga ang film but if you have to shell out 100,000 yen or more for the latest 6 MP SLR gizmo, hindi rin ba mahal iyon? That’s about equivalent to a hundred rolls of film (including developing at your neighborhood O yen shop).
What I am trying to say is this: sa mga may digital cameras na I’m sure humihigop ng baterya, should I let go of my trusty all-manual, all-mechanical, battery-independent camera for the latest Nikon D70 or EOS Kiss Digital?
Convince me!
daddy_b 
Paul
09-17-2004, 05:38 PM
daddy b,
i don’t think you have to get rid of your film camera and replace it with a digital camera. they complement each other pretty well.
now, about the advantages of a digital camera.
resolution
the prints from the current line of consumer digital slrs are at par with film cameras unless of course you print poster size photos without editing (that’s what image editing software’s for). in fact, we have a wall in our apartment with framed prints of pics taken with a digital camera. none of our visitors ever noticed they were taken with a digital camera.
cost
a good film slr will also cost you around 100,000 yen. but the digital camera will have the advantage of the number of pictures you can take. my 1GB microdrive can take more than 380 hi res pictures. that’s equivalent to about 10 rolls of 36 shot film. and when you have that developed, you’ll find that there are shots that you don’t like, which means a waste of ink and paper (not environmentally friendly).
convenience
another advantage of digital cameras is that you can change ISO settings without having to change films. you also get instant confirmation of your shot so you can adjust your settings accordingly. you can also take monochrome shots without changing films.
digital images
imagine the time before digital photography. to send someone a pic, you send prints, right? if you’re going to send to a lot of people, you had to print a lot of copies. nowadays, if you have only a film camera, you need a good scanner to convert your pictures to digital files to send over the internet or edit with image editing software. that’s additional cost.
these are just some of the advantages of digital photography. however, this doesn’t mean you have to let go of your film camera, rather it is a means to broaden your photographic experience and a digital camera is an additional tool to help you improve your craft. i know quite a few professional photographers who interchange between film and digital depending on the type of work.
i still take out my Kiev II and Pentax Spotmatic F whenever i feel like it. it’s like going back to the basics. i’m even thinking of getting a medium-format camera when my skills improve (and when i have the time).
reon
09-17-2004, 10:40 PM
daddy b,
sa ngayon, dalawa ang gamit ko, film at digital slr, but i use the digicam more these days. mahal kasi ng film. tama ang mga sinabi ni paul sa taas, pero ito naman ang version ko:
quality: palagay ko mas maganda pa rin ang quality ng film camera compared sa 6 megapixel na digital. pero sa ngayon lang yon. megapixel size probably doubles every six months or so (it might follow moore’s law, but i don’t know). pero kung ordinaring 2L lang ang size (up to A4), i doubt if you can see the difference. besides, kailan ka ba last na nagpa-print ng mas malaki sa 2L?
cost: malaki ang initial investment sa magandang digital camera, pero kung mahilig ka sa photography, baka mas makakamura ka sa digital in the long run. ang cost ng film plus developing and prints ay nasa 1,500 to 2,000. tapos mga dalawa o tatlo lang ang gusto mo sa pictures. that’s a big waste. the more you shoot, the more digital becomes the better option.
convenience: this is where digital wins hands down. you can shoot pictures in the morning and send them to your family in the philippines that same night through the internet. film is to writing letters as digital is to sending email. and who writes letters these days? no negatives to squint your eyes at, you can see your pictures instantly the moment to put on your photocd. assuming you own a PC of course.
that said, mas gusto ko pa rin ang “feel” ng ang aking film cameras na merong manual-focus na lens kaysa sa digital slr na merong plastic na zoom lens.
meron ako ditong mas matanda pa sa akin na pentax sl (older than the spotmatic) na walang lightmeter na merong kasamang screwmount na lens na nabili ko sa isang fleamarket. lagyan mo ito ng superia 100 (o provia) at palagay ko mas magaganda pa ang kuha kaysa sa 90 percent ng digital camera ngayon.
hindi mo nga lang makikita ang mga pictures, dahil kailangan ko pang ubusin ang film, tapos pupunta ka ako sa camera shop para i-develop, maghihintay pa ako ng isang oras, tapos ii-scan ko pa dito sa bahay, kaso hindi ko makabit sa computer yung scanner dahil hindi gumagana sa windows xp yung scsi card ko…
reon
Paul
09-17-2004, 11:35 PM
meron ka rin palang pentax, reon. actually ang pinakagusto ko dun sa pentax yung lens. magandang optics na mura. yung binili ko sa yahoo auction may kasamang f1.5/50mm tsaka f3.5/35mm na super takumar lens. hindi ko pa alam kung anong resulta nung mga pics kasi hindi ko pa nade-develop yung film (hindi pa ubos, e :D). pero ginagamit ko yung 1.5/50 dun sa eos kiss digital ko, kinakabitan ko lang ng M42 adapter. yung nga lang manual focus. pero mas maganda yung mga kuha niya kesa dun sa sigma na zoom lens, lalo na mga portraits. ayos na ayos yung ‘bokeh’.
anong digital slr mo?
reon
09-18-2004, 05:02 PM
meron ka rin palang pentax, reon. actually ang pinakagusto ko dun sa pentax yung lens. magandang optics na mura. yung binili ko sa yahoo auction may kasamang f1.5/50mm tsaka f3.5/35mm na super takumar lens.
Oo, meron akong Super-Multicoated Takumar 55/1.8 na punong-puno ng mold na nabili ko sa fleamarker kasama ng isang Pentax Spotmatic for 3,000 yen. Yung Pentax SL nabili ko sa auction. (Pareho lang nito ang Spotmatic, kaso walang light-meter kaya malinis ang viewfinder.) Yung Takumar 55/1.8 na puno ng kabi ay super-sharp at saturated ang mga kulay. Mas magaling pa sa kahit na anong reasonably-priced na zoom lens ng Nikon or Canon. Para sa mga kabataan na hindi alam ang screwmount na lens, click here. (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-02-11-24.shtml)
Ano yong 50/1.5 mo? Hindi naman siguro Takumar yan di ba? Wala yata akong alam na 50/1.5 na Takumar.
D70 nga pala ang digital slr ko. At naghahanap ako ngayon ng manual-focus na 50/1.4 na Nikkor. Magiging 75/1.4 ito sa D70. I assume magaling din ang bokeh nito for portraits.
Paul at daddy b, habang nag-uusap tayo, lumabas na pala ang Nikon F6 (http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/film/slr/f6/), which is probably the last significant pro-film camera from Nikon before they finally go all-digital. Merong flash movie sa website at nakalagay ”第6のＦ”, which literally means, “The Sixth F”. Cool di ba? Okey na sana, tapos biglang merong… “Remarkable Reliabirity”. Mga Hapon talaga… para sa flagship product ng Nikon, sana man lang, nag-hire sila ng isang gaijin (for 1,000 yen per hour) para i-check ang kanilang advertisements.
reon 
Paul
09-18-2004, 06:36 PM
hindi pala 50/1.5. Super-Takumar 50/1.4. standard lens sa mga Spotmatic. nagbasa-basa tungkol dito, yung mga huling Super-Takumar ginamitan na rin ng multi-coating technology na gamit sa Super-Multi-Coated Takumar na lens. hindi ko sigurado kung kasama 'to doon. nabili ko 'to sa yahoo auction, 4,000 kasama yung dalawang lens. ang problema ko walang baterya yung light-meter.
aries7
09-19-2004, 04:47 PM
kumusta mga TFers!
mukhang mga camera experts ang mga nandito sa thread na ito. so i’ll ask for advice. 3 years ago, bumili ako ng canon kiss na mayroong zoom lens (35-70 yata), pero hindi masyadong maganda ang mga shots (siguro dahil hindi ako magaling kumuha :)). gusto kong bumili ng isang high-quality at affordable lens for general shooting. meron ba kayong suggestions?
thanks in advance.
aries7
reon
09-25-2004, 06:29 PM
gusto kong bumili ng isang high-quality at affordable lens for general shooting. meron ba kayong suggestions?camera experts? sino ang camera experts?
while i personally don’t have much experience with canon, if you want quality, i would readily recommend canon’s “normal lens,” the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?prod uct=29&sort=7&thecat=2), which isn’t that much more expensive than their cheap zoom lenses. if you’re on a tight budget, you can get the EF 50mm f/1.8 (http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?prod uct=172&sort=7&thecat=2) really cheap.
normal lenses from all the major camera makers produce high-quality pictures as a result of constant refinement through the decades. they’re small, bright and super sharp. they also produce a nice bokeh (http://www.photo.net/mjohnston/column49/).
This is an archived page from the former Timog Forum website.
below is a picture of the eos-1v, canon’s top film camera, with the ef 50/1.4 usm.
reon
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eos/topimg/main-photo.jpg
daddy_b
09-26-2004, 02:41 PM
I am not sure about Canon’s case, but for Nikon, the 50 f/1.8 is much sharper and has much better color rendition than the 50 f/1.4. Opinions may vary but the 50 f/1.2 is probably the worst. In terms of price, however, the trend is reversed. The 50 f/1.8 is the cheapest among the three but is the best, from my experience. The reason why I’m saying this is because I used to have a Nikon AFD 50 f/1.4. After less than a year of use, I traded it for a Nikon AFD 50 f/1.8, which I have been using until now for full body portraits or available-light photography.
Reon’s right, as long as you can live with the limited focal length of the 50 mm, this lens fits your criteria of cheap yet excellent.
Thanks, Reon, for informing us about the F6. Looks great,This is an archived page from the former Timog Forum website. but judging from its specifications, I wonder if it’s just an improved version of the F100. Given that the F6 uses CR123a’s (unless you purchase the MB40), I’d probably go for the F100 which uses plain AA’s.
Or go digital…
(Thanks Paul and Reon, btw, for your convincing treatises on the advantages/ disadvantages of digital.)
piNkAhOLiC
10-02-2005, 07:53 AM
Love this topic. I love taking pics pero wala ako alam pagdating sa camera. Basta maganda at maliit ok na sa akin… I use Sony DSC-T7 (for kids LOL!). I’m more like a frustrated photographer, Wahhhh!!! 
keichang
11-28-2005, 01:42 AM
help! now im torn between SONY Cybershot t9 and CANON ixus. which of these two have good quality pics??? good reviews on its usage and durability??
and can be set to english language. pls help me…thanks…
maple
11-28-2005, 09:56 PMThis is an archived page from the former Timog Forum website.
Hello Paul & reon. Hi daddy_b, hisashiburi desu ne, nice to read from you again!
Gusto ko lang malaman ang opinion ninyo tungkol dito sa mga camera namin (photo attached).
Ang mga ito ba ay may silbi pa?
Ganito kasi yun, wala namang hilig sa photography ang Mister ko, napapansin ko na hindi niya dina-daiji ang mga ito. I-trade in ko na lang kaya sila para makabili ng bagong digicam? O baka naman “lima singko” na lang ang halaga nitong mga Pentax na ito:confused:
Hinukay ko pa sa baul namin itong mga ito kaya naman puro amag at alikabok na:p
Regards,
maple
docomo
11-28-2005, 10:00 PM
Hello Paul & reon. Hi daddy_b, hisashiburi desu ne, nice to read from you again!
Gusto ko lang malaman ang opinion ninyo tungkol dito sa mga camera namin (photo attached).
Ang mga ito ba ay may silbi pa?
Hinukay ko pa sa baul namin itong mga ito kaya naman puro amag at alikabok na:p
Regards,
maple
uy wag mo benta, pero pag be-benta mo ako na lang buy ha… it’s a good collection …sa akin mas luma mas may dating
maple
11-28-2005, 10:12 PM
uy wag mo benta, pero pag be-benta mo ako na lang buy ha… it’s a good collection …sa akin mas luma mas may dating
Talaga docomo, interesado ka kahit puro amag na? I’ll keep you in mind:)
docomo
11-28-2005, 10:44 PM
Talaga docomo, interesado ka kahit puro amag na?
… yes na yes po … 
Paul
11-28-2005, 10:56 PM
Gumagana pa ba yang mga yan maple? Tingnan mo sa Yahoo Auctions kung magkano nabebenta yang mga model na yan. Pero kung may amag na yung mga lens palagay ko hindi ka na rin makakakuha ng magandang presyo para diyan.
reon
11-28-2005, 11:48 PM
Ganda ng mga camera mo maple! Kung gumagana pa ang mga 'yan, merong good at bad points:
Good point: Mas maganda pa siguro ang kuha ng mga camera na yan kesa itong D70 ko (digital SLR). Ang ginamit kong camera para doon sa picture sa frontpage ay yung mas lumang kapatid niyang Pentax ESII mo.
Bad points: Wala masyadong may gustong bumili ng mga lumang camera kaya medyo mura ang benta.
Tama si Paul, subukan mong tignan-tignan ang Yahoo auctions kung ano’ng presyo nabebenta ang mga ganyang camera. Dito (http://list3.auctions.yahoo .co.jp/jp/2084044780-category-leaf.html?alocale=0j p&mode=1) ang auctions ng manual lens na Pentax. Yung ESII mo meron dito (http://page8.auctions.yahoo .co.jp/jp/auction/h31128896). Yung ME naman ay meron dito (http://page10.auctions.yaho o.co.jp/jp/auction/m18940718).
docomo
11-29-2005, 12:00 AM
What is the relationship between aperture and shutter speed?
reon
11-29-2005, 12:05 AM
Ako ba’ng tinatanong mo docomo?
Yung aperture ay kung gaano kalaki yung butas ng lens at kung gaano karami ang tatamang liwanag sa film o sensor ng camera. Kung mas malaki ang aperture, mas mabilis ang shutter speed. Kung gusto mo ng pinakamabagal na shutter speed, i-set mo sa pinakamaliit yung aperture. O kaya i-set mo na lang sa “Program” yung camera mo para hindi ka na mamrublema sa mga aperture at shutter speed.
Yung camera ko nga pala ay laging naka-set sa “Aperture priority”. Isi-set mo lang ang aperture, yung camera na ang bahala sa shutter speed.
docomo
11-29-2005, 12:10 AM
Ako ba’ng tinatanong mo docomo?
Yung aperture ay kung gaano kalaki yung butas ng lens at kung gaano karami ang tatamang liwanag sa film o sensor ng camera. Kung mas malaki ang aperture, mas mabilis ang shutter speed. Kung gusto mo ng pinakamabagal na shutter speed, i-set mo sa pinakamaliit yung aperture. O kaya i-set mo na lang sa “Program” yung camera mo para hindi ka na mamrublema sa mga aperture at shutter speed.
Yung camera ko nga pala ay laging naka-set sa “Aperture priority”. Isi-set mo lang ang aperture, yung camera na ang bahala sa shutter speed.
… ok thanks for the tip… papa -lecture na ko sa yo… libre pa
maple
11-29-2005, 09:35 PM
Ganda ng mga camera mo maple! Kung gumagana pa ang mga 'yan, merong good at bad points:
Good point: Mas maganda pa siguro ang kuha ng mga camera na yan kesa itong D70 ko (digital SLR). Ang ginamit kong camera para doon sa picture sa frontpage ay yung mas lumang kapatid niyang Pentax ESII mo.
Bad points: Wala masyadong may gustong bumili ng mga lumang camera kaya medyo mura ang benta.
Tama si Paul, subukan mong tignan-tignan ang Yahoo auctions kung ano’ng presyo nabebenta ang mga ganyang camera. Dito (http://list3.auctions.yahoo .co.jp/jp/2084044780-category-leaf.html?alocale=0j p&mode=1) ang auctions ng manual lens na Pentax. Yung ESII mo meron dito (http://page8.auctions.yahoo .co.jp/jp/auction/h31128896). Yung ME naman ay meron dito (http://page10.auctions.yaho o.co.jp/jp/auction/m18940718).
Hi reon, Paul,
Halos mabatukan ako ng asawa ko nung sinabi ko na gusto kong i-auction itong mga camera niya
Gumagana pa naman pareho, kaya lang nga may amag na. Meron ba kayong alam na pang-linis? Kaya ko kayang linisin mag-isa ito:confused:
Thank you for these links nga pala.
And sorry, I didn’t look at the date kasi, akala ko talaga ay kahapon lang itong thread na ito:O anyway, daddy_b, hope all’s well with you:)
maple
docomo
11-30-2005, 01:12 PM
lusting for this ( comment po kung ok) baka ma discourage ako:)
Nikon d200 (i wish )
Nikon D2x (yes baby)
Fuji S3 Pro ( can afford but not now, (palusot)
Paul
11-30-2005, 04:56 PM
@docomo
OK lahat yan. As long as you’re willing to learn the art and spend some more on good lenses. Just remember that it’s not the camera that takes good pictures, it’s the person behind the viewfinder. Even if I buy a Canon EOS 1DMkII (http://consumer.usa.canon.c om/ir/controller?act=Model DetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=10598) or a Hasselblad H2D (http://www.hasselblad.se/products/level3.asp?secId=120 5&itemId=3650), I don’t think I’d suddenly become a good photographer. Heck, my wife would surely be able to take a better picture with an Olympus Pen (Olympus Fans Page (HK) - The Olympus Pen) than my best effort with the most expensive DSLR out there.
@maple
Ok lang yung amag sa body. Madali lang linisin 'yan. Ang problema ay yung fungus sa lens. Kung matagal na yung fungus, malamang na-etch na mismo yung glass at hindi na matatanggal 'yon. May epekto 'yan sa picture, di tulad ng dumi at alikabok sa lens.
docomo
11-30-2005, 06:20 PM
@paul
Thanks a lot for the inputs
… This hobby is quite expensive , mahal ng gears from SLR bodies, Lenses,Flash heads down to accessories … haaay (if money just grew on tree ) … As a Hobbyist ,self study lang siguro talaga… trial and error … Sometimes I feel I am lacking one hand … But I find this hobby challenging though…
Paul
11-30-2005, 06:35 PM
@docomo
It only becomes expensive when you start focusing on the gear instead of the pictures. You don’t need an expensive camera to take good pictures. Get a cheap used SLR body (like my 99 cent Praktica;)) and a 50mm lens and buy lots of expired film on Yahoo Auctions. It won’t hurt your wallet. O kaya kantahan mo yung Pentax ni maple.
docomo
11-30-2005, 07:57 PM
@docomo
It only becomes expensive when you start focusing on the gear instead of the pictures. You don’t need an expensive camera to take good pictures. Get a cheap used SLR body (like my 99 cent Praktica;)) and a 50mm lens and buy lots of expired film on Yahoo Auctions. It won’t hurt your wallet. O kaya kantahan mo yung Pentax ni maple.
… kailangan pa ba ng membership sa yahoo auctions? may bayad po ba?
Paul
11-30-2005, 08:05 PM
… kailangan pa ba ng membership sa yahoo auctions? may bayad po ba?
Oo kelangan mong mag-register tapos may monthly fee na 200+ yen. Kung hindi ka naman gagamit regularly, pwede kang makisuyo na lang sa kakilala mo na nag-ya yahoo auction.
docomo
11-30-2005, 08:08 PM
Oo kelangan mong mag-register tapos may monthly fee na 200+ yen. Kung hindi ka naman gagamit regularly, pwede kang makisuyo na lang sa kakilala mo na nag-ya yahoo auction.
makikisuyo na lang po ako sa yo… pag ok , pahanap naman di ko alam pasikot-sikot dyan kasi:)
maple
11-30-2005, 09:14 PM
@maple
Ok lang yung amag sa body. Madali lang linisin 'yan. Ang problema ay yung fungus sa lens. Kung matagal na yung fungus, malamang na-etch na mismo yung glass at hindi na matatanggal 'yon. May epekto 'yan sa picture, di tulad ng dumi at alikabok sa lens.
Hi Paul,
I took some photos today using ESII, ku-kwentuhan na lang kita kung gaano ka-pangit lumabas ang mga litrato kapag napa-develop ko na ha:O
regards!
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