Circumcision

docomo

12-11-2005, 02:27 AM

Is circumcision necessary or unnecessary for health reasons??? … If so why??

reason for this question
( To understand more about the pluses and minuses wether to circumcise their children or not)

opinions are welcome:)

Stacie Fil

12-11-2005, 03:18 AM

In what I understand. At present time,many health professionals would say that circumcision is not really a matter for health reason. :confused:

I think it is mostly viewed in attribute to culture,tradition or religious belief. specially when its done for a child.:slight_smile:

Others as part of life experience or choice given to a young male as to decide. As part of growing up or ritual with group/peers in many cases. Something a male child can decide for himself as part of initiation going to a higher level towards manhood. Para bang boundery na laging biro or tinatanong sa umpukan nang mga matatanda,binatilyo or nagbibinata habang nagki-kwentuhan nang mga matters “for the boys only”. They said through it a boy shall decide, experience the pain and learn to take care of himself during the healing process all on his own. While knowing more the value and how to value that part.:rolleyes:

Ewan ko sa iba pa. Kayo riyan?

Teddy

12-11-2005, 06:46 AM

Ang sakit isipan…:eek: :stuck_out_tongue: I don’t think you should really worry much about it until your kids turn 18 or 20… Or they will learn what they should do from their gangs…like when they first have a bath together on a field trip, etc…hahaha… That’s how we guys learn things in life:D :wink:

abakitba

12-11-2005, 08:29 AM

Circumcision ay isa sa pinaka-oldest surgical procedures performed today.
Short answer sa iyong tanong…
pwede mong i-reassure sa parents that their child may lead a healthy life with an intact foreskin (hindi tinuli’).
If they still want the circumcision done, find a competent physician.
I agree with all the previous posts by the way.
If you’d like, I can email you a medical abstract that might be too long or too technical.
It discusses the indications, risks, and controversies.
Interesting question.:slight_smile:

gabby

12-11-2005, 09:13 AM

It used to be a religious ritual activity especially by the jews and muslims. In the P.I. It was the same though less than ritual. But now a days it is more of sanitation than religious and never for health reason at least in the P.I.

abakitba

12-11-2005, 11:41 AM

Oh… I’m almost afraid to post this advice :slight_smile:
but you should also consider soliciting advice from a trusted medical professional, preferably a pediatrician or urologist.
How old is the child, or is this just a general question?

fisher

12-11-2005, 12:47 PM

Is circumcision necessary or unnecessary for health reasons??? … If so why??

reason for this question
( To understand more about the pluses and minuses wether to circumcise their children or not)

opinions are welcome:)
Is it really necessary? Sa ibang bansa it is a ritual.In other countries in Africa like Egypt,they even do this both men and women para daw hindi makadama ng sensation ang babae(kase tinatanggal ang clitoris)at para maging tapat sa hubby nila.Iyan ay malaking (?) sa akin.Health reasons? I don’t really know.Sa amin kasing mga lalaki kapag hindi ka tuli at ''kapos ba ang tawag du’n sa hindi labas lahat ang ulo ng penis"tuwing umaga ay may parang dinurog na bigas na lumalabas sa konting siwang ng skin na naka-intact sa head ng penis.So,kung ganu’n ang case at marumi lagi better na magpatuli na.Du’n sa mga"kapos" naman,I have no idea kung kasama sila sa case na ito.

P.S
Pareng docomo,12 years old ako noong ako’y nagpatuli at untill now wala pa akong naging sakit na grabe.Palagnat-lagnat lang at trangkaso at saka kagonshou(this I got here in Japan).May kagonshou ka rin ba?:smiley:

abakitba

12-11-2005, 01:07 PM

Ginawa nilang maleta ang mga pinutol na 4skin… expandable kasi eh.:smiley:

houseboy

12-11-2005, 01:08 PM

Dear Pareng Docomo,

Kumusta ka na? Sana ay nasa mabuti kang kalagayan katulad ng iyong anak.

Tungkol sa pagpapatuli, depende yun kung saan balak ng anak mo tumira. Kung sa Japan siya, wag mo na lang patuli. Malamang, paglaki nun e pasasalamatan ka pa niya. Kung sa Pinas naman siya, patuli mo na siya. Para paglaki niya ay hindi ka niya mumurahin.

Sana ay medyo naliwanagan ka kahit konti sa sinabi ko.

Ang iyong kaibigan,
Houseboy

abakitba

12-11-2005, 01:11 PM

Houseboy…
you have the best signature here!
:smiley: :cool:

docomo

12-11-2005, 02:57 PM

I think it is mostly viewed in attribute to culture,tradition or religious belief. specially when its done for a child.:slight_smile:

Good to see we’re on the same page … We just make it a “well” informed decision :slight_smile:

docomo

12-11-2005, 03:09 PM

Ang sakit isipan…:eek: :stuck_out_tongue: I don’t think you should really worry much about it until your kids turn 18 or 20… Or they will learn what they should do from their gangs…like when they first have a bath together on a field trip, etc…hahaha… That’s how we guys learn things in life:D :wink:

… I see your point :slight_smile: …An adolescent with an uncircumcised pen~s is more likely to develop slow esteem and poor sexual confidence ( and being a parent of one boy, the last thing i want to think about is my child having sex, but realistically, it is inevitable and i want the best for his life as a whole — including , ugh , sex) :smiley: :wink:

docomo

12-11-2005, 03:24 PM

It used to be a religious ritual activity especially by the jews and muslims. In the P.I. It was the same though less than ritual. But now a days it is more of sanitation than religious and never for health reason at least in the P.I.

I agree that it is a religous / cultural tradition in some , for some, it’s not required in some religous doctrines … Therefore, I think I cannot say it could be a religous freedom/right – I only say most because I do not know all the doctrines in the world. :slight_smile:

docomo

12-11-2005, 03:36 PM

Is it really necessary? Sa ibang bansa it is a ritual.In other countries in Africa like Egypt,they even do this both men and women para daw hindi makadama ng sensation ang babae(kase tinatanggal ang clitoris)at para maging tapat sa hubby nila.Iyan ay malaking (?) sa akin.Health reasons? I don’t really know.Sa amin kasing mga lalaki kapag hindi ka tuli at ''kapos ba ang tawag du’n sa hindi labas lahat ang ulo ng penis"tuwing umaga ay may parang dinurog na bigas na lumalabas sa konting siwang ng skin na naka-intact sa head ng penis.So,kung ganu’n ang case at marumi lagi better na magpatuli na.Du’n sa mga"kapos" naman,I have no idea kung kasama sila sa case na ito.

P.S
Pareng docomo,12 years old ako noong ako’y nagpatuli at untill now wala pa akong naging sakit na grabe.Palagnat-lagnat lang at trangkaso at saka kagonshou(this I got here in Japan).May kagonshou ka rin ba?:smiley:

… Basically, regarding male circumcision, I’m not against it or for it…I think that it has to be carefully considered prior to the procedure… , I really don’t see much ,if any, benefit to a female circumcision …I think younger females who haven’t hit puberty need not worry about internal cleansing so long as they are instructed correctly how to cleanse externally …:slight_smile:

P.S with your last question … i’ll try to find out if i have or not :stuck_out_tongue:

docomo

12-11-2005, 03:40 PM

Dear Pareng Docomo,

Kumusta ka na? Sana ay nasa mabuti kang kalagayan katulad ng iyong anak.

Tungkol sa pagpapatuli, depende yun kung saan balak ng anak mo tumira. Kung sa Japan siya, wag mo na lang patuli. Malamang, paglaki nun e pasasalamatan ka pa niya. Kung sa Pinas naman siya, patuli mo na siya. Para paglaki niya ay hindi ka niya mumurahin.

Sana ay medyo naliwanagan ka kahit konti sa sinabi ko.

Ang iyong kaibigan,
Houseboy

Dear pareng Houseboy ,

Mabuti naman ako … Sana ay nasa mabuti ka ding kalagayan .

Salamat sa opinyon mo at akoy naliwanagan ng mabuti sa kung anong magiging reaksyon ng anak ko kung saka-sakali… sanay hindi nya ako murahin paglaki nya …:slight_smile:

ang kaibigan mong naaaliw sa iyo
Docomo

docomo

12-11-2005, 04:01 PM

Circumcision ay isa sa pinaka-oldest surgical procedures performed today.
Short answer sa iyong tanong…
pwede mong i-reassure sa parents that their child may lead a healthy life with an intact foreskin (hindi tinuli’).
If they still want the circumcision done, find a competent physician.
I agree with all the previous posts by the way.
If you’d like, I can email you a medical abstract that might be too long or too technical.
It discusses the indications, risks, and controversies.
Interesting question.:slight_smile:

… You don’t need to be afraid of posting your advice (btw) … I know we didn’t see eye to eye on your thread , But this is a good reason why I think it’s so important to agree to disagree on somethings as you can find some common ground … I’m glad you see the question interesting …and that you agree with all the previous posts …

Regarding your opinion, For many centuries circumcision has been a practice presents in various parts of the world, for a slew reasons, though simple beautification was not necessarily as popular a practice yet…

There’s no better option for a competent physician … It’s obvious fyi:)

aprilluck

12-11-2005, 04:19 PM

It used to be a religious ritual activity especially by the jews and muslims. In the P.I. It was the same though less than ritual. But now a days it is more of sanitation than religious and never for health reason at least in the P.I.

puwedeng makisingit kahit ang topic ay not a girl thing ,dalawang lalaki naman ang anak ko.
Yes Gabby tama ka ,dito sa Japan ay it’s more of sanitation,kasi noong nanganak tinanong sa akin ng doctor kung gusto kong gawin nila para sa anak ko iyan, kasi to avoid infection daw
lalo na pag summer dito ,ang mag bata hindi pa sanay maglinis sa sarili nila kaya mas prone daw mag ka infection diyan ,iyun nga lang hindi kasama sa kenko hoken(medical health benifits)full amount ang babayaran kung hindi ka makikipag deal sa doctor ,sila naman ang gagawa ng reason para makaiwas ka sa malaking bayarin,parang palalabasin na may something wrong kaya dapat gawan ng paraan ,mura lang ang nabayad namin kasi nga na covered ng kenko hoken,kaya dun sa may mga anak na lalaki ,kung gusto n’yong ipa ---- ang anak n’yo ,'punta lang kayo sa doctor ,manghingi ng konting advise kung paano dapat gawin . thanks

abakitba

12-11-2005, 04:20 PM

To docomo…
For many centuries circumcision has been a practice presents in various parts of the world, for a slew reasons, though simple beautification was not necessarily as popular a practice yet…
Please explain… the last part… simple beautification was not necessarily as popular a practice yet.
Thanks.

docomo

12-11-2005, 05:26 PM

To docomo…
For many centuries circumcision has been a practice presents in various parts of the world, for a slew reasons, though simple beautification was not necessarily as popular a practice yet…
Please explain… the last part… simple beautification was not necessarily as popular a practice yet.
Thanks.

read aprillucks opinion … it can enlighten your question

crispee

12-11-2005, 08:38 PM

Tungkol sa pagpapatuli, depende yun kung saan balak ng anak mo tumira. Kung sa Japan siya, wag mo na lang patuli. Malamang, paglaki nun e pasasalamatan ka pa niya. Kung sa Pinas naman siya, patuli mo na siya. Para paglaki niya ay hindi ka niya mumurahin.

Nagpatuli kami noon na hindi alam ang dahilan kung bakit kailangan naming gawin. Mas maliwanag ang katotohanan para maging ‘in’ or sumunod sa ‘kaugalian’ ng mga batang lalaki. Dito naman sa japan, napapansin kong dumadami na rin ang mga hapon na ‘tuli’. Madali lang malaman yan, maligo kayo sa public ofuro. Pero siguruhin niyong sa ‘otoko-you’ kayo pumasok.

OT:
May nagsabi sa akin na si Adan ang kauna-unahang ‘tuli’ pagkatapos siyang tuksuhin ng ahas sa paraiso. Ginawa daw niya ito dahil di na niya makayanan ang sabi ng ahas na…SUPOT! SUPOT!

Andrewmark

12-11-2005, 08:46 PM

makisingit la po… may nabasa akong article sa newspaper before and since rampant nga ang sakit na AIDS sa mundo, pinag-aralan ngayun ng mga manunuri ang epekto ng tuling lalaki sa di tuli. According to their preliminary results, mas mababa daw yung percentage sa circumcised kesa sa hindi… ito yung resulta nila irregardless of race, or location. Pero hindi pa ata tapos ang analysis nila at mga ilang taon pa ang kailangan para dito.

reon

12-11-2005, 09:10 PM

Agree ako kay Crispee and others, ang pagtutuli ay ginagawa dahil sa peer pressure, para “in” ka at hindi sabihan ng “supot” ng mga kaibigan mo. Yung tungkol sa mga sanitary reasons ay ginagawa lang na excuse ng mga tao para i-perpetuate ang tradisyon.

Looking at it from a scientific point of view, it’s hard to imagine that millions of years of evolution would leave the foreskin where it is today if it doesn’t serve a useful purpose, which is to protect the glans of the penis.

Saying we should cut the foreskin to make the penis clean is like saying we should all cut our hair so we won’t have lice (approximately). If the penis gets dirty, then the solution is to wash it often, not cutting the foreskin that protects it (and maybe traps dirt).

Personal na opinyon lang siyempre at alam kong hindi sang-ayon ang iba. :slight_smile:

betong

12-11-2005, 11:08 PM

Agree ako kay Crispee and others, ang pagtutuli ay ginagawa dahil sa peer pressure, para “in” ka at hindi sabihan ng “supot” ng mga kaibigan mo. Yung tungkol sa mga sanitary reasons ay ginagawa lang na excuse ng mga tao para i-perpetuate ang tradisyon…
Looking at it from a scientific point of view, it’s hard to imagine that millions of years of evolution would leave the foreskin where it is today if it doesn’t serve a useful purpose, which is to protect the glans of the penis…
…Personal na opinyon lang siyempre at alam kong hindi sang-ayon ang iba. :slight_smile:
Hi Reon sama!
Unfortunately, depsite eons of evolution, our body still has a lot of things that are utterly useless (in my case it’s my gray matter) and the human body is far from perfection. Auto-immune diseases, our standing position virtually causing so many problems such as venous insufficiency, slipped lumbar discs and Meg Ryan’s face (have you seen that coffee commercial?) are just small examples.
A not so recent article from a very respectable medical journal, the New England Journal of Medicine (N Engl J Med 1997; 336:1244-1245, Apr 24, 1997), reports that circumcision is actually beneficial and the risks linked to the procedure are quite low, provided it’s performed by a trained physician, and not the local barbero. It7s medically indicated for phimosis, when the foreskin retracts and the glans gets engorged with blood (thus the big, red head. OUCH!). Besides this known medical indication, the benefits are linked to less urinary tract infections, penile cancer, sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, bacteremia and renal infections. And there was no decrease in post-surgical penile sensitivity found through clinical and neurological testing.
So, I guess all in all, our lolo’s and lola’s were right in saying that it has health benefits. And hell, it damn looks good too! Atsaka feel na feel!

docomo

12-11-2005, 11:16 PM

I have to agree with crispee and reon … The “strongest” argument I’ve heard for circumcision is that it keeps the penis clearer , but I understand this to be a myth. :slight_smile:

neblus

12-11-2005, 11:17 PM

Currently, depende nga sa religion whether patutuli mo iyong anak mo or not. Wala pa akong narining na nakapagbigay ng reason kung ano mangyayari kung hindi siya tuli…

However, may mga lumalabas ngayon na studies na transfer of sexual diseases is less don sa mga taong “natuli” or circumsized.

In most cases, haka-haka on health is also based on experience. Siguro nga in the old days, pag tuli iyong tao, less prone to sexua disease iyong taong iyon. Considering na lalong nagiging grabe iyong mga potential sexual diseases, might as well…

neblus

12-11-2005, 11:19 PM

Follow up articles

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/aids/TechAreas/research/mcfactsheet.html

Research: Male Circumcision and HIV Prevention

docomo

12-11-2005, 11:20 PM

And hell, it damn looks good to! Atsaka feel na feel!

This line of betong is convincing as well… :smiley:

docomo

12-11-2005, 11:22 PM

makisingit la po… may nabasa akong article sa newspaper before and since rampant nga ang sakit na AIDS sa mundo, pinag-aralan ngayun ng mga manunuri ang epekto ng tuling lalaki sa di tuli. According to their preliminary results, mas mababa daw yung percentage sa circumcised kesa sa hindi… ito yung resulta nila irregardless of race, or location. Pero hindi pa ata tapos ang analysis nila at mga ilang taon pa ang kailangan para dito.

Thanks for the info Andrewmark keep sharing :slight_smile:

docomo

12-11-2005, 11:23 PM

Follow up articles

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/aids/TechAreas/research/mcfactsheet.html

Research: Male Circumcision and HIV Prevention

… good info neblus :slight_smile:

crispee

12-11-2005, 11:26 PM

Currently, depende nga sa religion whether patutuli mo iyong anak mo or not. Wala pa akong narining na nakapagbigay ng reason kung ano mangyayari kung hindi siya tuli…

Sa probinsiya, kapag laging may muta ang isang bata o mga bata, yun daw ay dahil ‘supot’ ang tatay. Kasabihan lang sa amin ito, pero nagdadalawang-isip din ako noon kasi muta-in nga ang ibang bata. Di ko naman ma-confirm yung ama kung tuli ba siya o hinde. Dyahe di ba? Pwede rin nagkataon lang ito.

hack28

12-12-2005, 03:26 PM

I-imagine mo na lang na nakikipaglibing ka na may suot na helmet…

O nagpa-picture ka na may suot na helmet… Dapat ipakita mo na gwapo ka!!! hehehe

Eto ay opinyon ko lang naman… peace :slight_smile:

docomo

12-12-2005, 03:29 PM

I-imagine mo na lang na nakikipaglibing ka na may suot na helmet…

O nagpa-picture ka na may suot na helmet… Dapat ipakita mo na gwapo ka!!! hehehe

Eto ay opinyon ko lang naman… peace :slight_smile:

… okay ha … :smiley:

goodboy

12-12-2005, 05:11 PM

Is circumcision necessary or unnecessary for health reasons??? … If so why??

reason for this question
( To understand more about the pluses and minuses wether to circumcise their children or not)

opinions are welcome:)

Dear Pareng DoCOMO, Im wondering why you are interested about Circumcision topic :rolleyes:

As far as i know, circumcision is performed for cultural and medical reasons. In some parts of the world it is customary or obligatory for minors to be circumcised for cultural reasons. Circumcision is beneficial because it reduces the transmission of HIV, uncircumcised men has a strong possibility to contract HIV at the same time as acquiring another sexually transmitted disease in a high-risk setting of commercial sex.

Further, many medical studies have found that being circumcised reduces a man’s risk of developing penile cancer.:slight_smile:

docomo

12-12-2005, 06:15 PM

Dear Pareng DoCOMO, Im wondering why you are interested about Circumcision topic

Dear pareng GoODBOY ,

I already stated the reason for the question…

You proven your opinion clear enough … thanks :slight_smile:

Little Johnny

12-12-2005, 06:28 PM

based on experience, i was circumcised because only of peer pressure, not even understanding its pros & cons, if any. but later on in life, it can be a morale booster among adolescent males (at least in the Phils.) for most pinoy teeners make fun of their peers who aren’t ___. I’m not sure of the health benefits but i’m sure its hygienic.

@ goodboy, penile cancer? is there such a thing? ano pa bang parte ng katawan ang hindi nagkakaroon ng cancer? :eek:

reon

12-12-2005, 08:30 PM

Maganda ang mga opinyon dito sa thread na ito pero pasensiya na at hindi ko maintindihan etong argument tungkol sa prevention ng HIV (although alam ko ang tungkol sa mga studies tungkol dito).

If you don’t want to have AIDS, well, either you should have as few sex partners as possible or you shouldn’t engage in unprotected sex. Kung supot ka at nagkaroon ka ng AIDS, palagay ko hindi mo puwedeng sabihin, “Hindi kasi ako natuli kaya ako nagka-AIDS.” Hindi ba?

So we can’t say that preventing HIV is a good reason for circumcision. O may hindi ba ako naiintindihan? :slight_smile:

docomo

12-12-2005, 08:37 PM

Maganda ang mga opinyon dito sa thread na ito pero pasensiya na at hindi ko maintindihan etong argument tungkol sa prevention ng HIV (although alam ko ang tungkol sa mga studies tungkol dito).

If you don’t want to have AIDS, well, either you should have as few sex partners as possible or you shouldn’t engage in unprotected sex. Kung supot ka at nagkaroon ka ng AIDS, palagay ko hindi mo puwedeng sabihin, “Hindi kasi ako natuli kaya ako nagka-AIDS.” Hindi ba?

So we can’t say that preventing HIV is a good reason for circumcision. O may hindi ba ako naiintindihan? :slight_smile:

kailan ko lang din ito nabalitaan reon… pero hindi pa naman ganon ka justified yung balita na yon… up to now ,on going pa rin yung study :slight_smile:

cyclops

12-12-2005, 09:49 PM

Agree ako kay Crispee and others, ang pagtutuli ay ginagawa dahil sa peer pressure, para “in” ka at hindi sabihan ng “supot” ng mga kaibigan mo. Yung tungkol sa mga sanitary reasons ay ginagawa lang na excuse ng mga tao para i-perpetuate ang tradisyon.

Looking at it from a scientific point of view, it’s hard to imagine that millions of years of evolution would leave the foreskin where it is today if it doesn’t serve a useful purpose, which is to protect the glans of the penis.

Saying we should cut the foreskin to make the penis clean is like saying we should all cut our hair so we won’t have lice (approximately). If the penis gets dirty, then the solution is to wash it often, not cutting the foreskin that protects it (and maybe traps dirt).

Personal na opinyon lang siyempre at alam kong hindi sang-ayon ang iba. :slight_smile:

Kung noon pwede akong mamili kung mag-papatuli o hindi siguro hindi ako nag-patuli. Why? dahil lahat ng kaibigan kung foreigner ay uncircumcised…ako lang ang naiiba…bat ko alam? pag-nag-oofuro kami o sento syempre.
Kaya kung mag-kaka-anak ako ng lalaki sya ang mag-dedesisyon.
tungkol naman sa HIV or sexual diseases, kung hindi ka naman siguro gamit ng gamit ng hindi mo kilala hindi ka naman siguro mag-kakaroon nito.
ingat lang nga pare.
cyclops

houseboy

12-12-2005, 10:14 PM

Dear Docomo,

Magandang gabi.

Nakakagulat naman at andami ang nagpayo sa inyo tungkol sa iyong pagpapatuli. Huli man daw at magaling, tuli pa rin. Pero baka magreklamo ang labaha ng doktor kasi subrang kunat na ng sa yo.:wink:

Sabi nila, mas masarap daw kapag hindi tuli. Totoo kaya ito? Sana’y masagot din itong katanungan ko.

Ang iyong tigasubaybay,
Houseboy

docomo

12-12-2005, 11:29 PM

Dear Docomo,

Magandang gabi.

Nakakagulat naman at andami ang nagpayo sa inyo tungkol sa iyong pagpapatuli. Huli man daw at magaling, tuli pa rin. Pero baka magreklamo ang labaha ng doktor kasi subrang kunat na ng sa yo.:wink:

Sabi nila, mas masarap daw kapag hindi tuli. Totoo kaya ito? Sana’y masagot din itong katanungan ko.

Ang iyong tigasubaybay,
Houseboy

LOL:p

maganda yang katanungan mo pareng houseboy … dapat girls ang sumagot nyan yata …:smiley:

houseboy

12-12-2005, 11:38 PM

LOL:p

maganda yang katanungan mo pareng houseboy … dapat girls ang sumagot nyan yata …:smiley:

Pareng Docomo,

Ang aking katanungan ay tungkol sa mga lalake, kasi daw mas sensitibo daw kapag merong foreskin.

Sino pa po diyan ang hindi tuli?:smiley:

Kung sa babae naman, tuli man daw at magaling, magaling pa rin.:rolleyes:

Ang iyong tigalinis,
Houseboy

gabby

12-12-2005, 11:40 PM

Pareng Docomo,

Ang aking katanungan ay tungkol sa mga lalake, kasi daw mas sensitibo daw kapag merong foreskin.

Sino pa po diyan ang hindi tuli?:smiley:

Kung sa babae naman, tuli man daw at magaling, magaling pa rin.:rolleyes:

Ang iyong tigalinis,
Houseboy

Ako hindi ako tuli . . . . kasi masakit kaya nag-ran away ako sa tiga-tuli:D :smiley:

fisher

12-12-2005, 11:44 PM

LOL:p

maganda yang katanungan mo pareng houseboy … dapat girls ang sumagot nyan yata …:smiley:
Pareng docomo(hindi ka ba tuli?).Kung magpapatuli ka samahan kita para may humawak sa iyo ng mahigpit habang nilalabaha ka ahe,he,he,he.
Para sa akin naman…tuli ka man o hindi with regards to health consequences kung meron man…let it be.:smiley:

fremsite

12-12-2005, 11:49 PM

Dear Docomo,

Magandang gabi.

Nakakagulat naman at andami ang nagpayo sa inyo tungkol sa iyong pagpapatuli. Huli man daw at magaling, tuli pa rin. Pero baka magreklamo ang labaha ng doktor kasi subrang kunat na ng sa yo.:wink:

Sabi nila, mas masarap daw kapag hindi tuli. Totoo kaya ito? Sana’y masagot din itong katanungan ko.

Ang iyong tigasubaybay,
Houseboy

magandang gabi Houseboy …
since … " bakla " si docomo … pede akong maki-share ?
mas masarap nga ba kung di tuli ? for me … masarap … hindi kasi dahil sa " hindi tuli " …
masarap… kasi love mo yung ka" lovemaking " mo … masarap… kasi di naman nasusukat dyan ang kasarapan kundi " kung paano mo ginagawa " para maging masarap …:stuck_out_tongue:
ayan ! tsalap na tsalap ka na ? :smiley:

docomo

12-12-2005, 11:51 PM

magandang gabi Houseboy …
since … " bakla " si docomo … pede akong maki-share ?
mas masarap nga ba kung di tuli ? for me … masarap … hindi kasi dahil sa " hindi tuli " …
masarap… kasi love mo yung ka" lovemaking " mo … masarap… kasi di naman nasusukat dyan ang kasarapan kundi " kung paano mo ginagawa " para maging masarap …:stuck_out_tongue:
ayan ! tsalap na tsalap ka na ? :smiley:

Yeabah! go girl !!:smiley:

gabby

12-13-2005, 12:00 AM

Yeabah! go girl !!:smiley:

OT ako ha. Alam nyo napaka-bato ko ngayon. Ilang DVD na ang na-watched ko pero parang empty talaga ang day ko ngayon. Gusto ko nang action hindi ko magawa. Ang TF naman parang dull na rin. Woo man!!! What a life…

docomo

12-13-2005, 12:02 AM

OT ako ha. Alam nyo napaka-bato ko ngayon. Ilang DVD na ang na-watched ko pero parang empty talaga ang day ko ngayon. Gusto ko nang action hindi ko magawa. Ang TF naman parang dull na rin. Woo man!!! What a life…

EB lang katapat nyan pare… cheer up:D

fremsite

12-13-2005, 12:04 AM

OT ako ha. Alam nyo napaka-bato ko ngayon. Ilang DVD na ang na-watched ko pero parang empty talaga ang day ko ngayon. Gusto ko nang action hindi ko magawa. Ang TF naman parang dull na rin. Woo man!!! What a life…

alam ko na gabby san … " meron " ka ngayon kaya wala ka sa mood … hehehehe :smiley:
open ka ng new thread … yung "gabby thing " nakaka-aliw kasi … wahihihihi~~~~!!!:stuck_out_tongue:

gabby

12-13-2005, 12:32 AM

alam ko na gabby san … " meron " ka ngayon kaya wala ka sa mood … hehehehe :smiley:
open ka ng new thread … yung "gabby thing " nakaka-aliw kasi … wahihihihi~~~~!!!:stuck_out_tongue:

Uy galing mo. Natumbok mo. May regla nga ako ngayon. Kakainis hindi ako ma-hipo ni misis:( :stuck_out_tongue:

akiam

12-13-2005, 09:42 AM

Circumcision is a part of personal hygiene. Filipinos are more consious about it because it is in our tradition. Mostly, Christians. Even during Christ time, it is already being practiced.

Sa mga Filipino, it is also a part of pride to be circumcised. Lalo nat kung ayaw nilang silay maging tampulan ng tukso.

With Japanese, I think it was seldom practice during old days. Pero ngayon, as Aprilluck had said that it is already being asked in some hospitals here whether you want it or not be applied with your “barakos”…

But if you`ll come to think of it, all are advantage to your children. So, why not do it?

goodboy

12-13-2005, 11:22 AM

@ goodboy, penile cancer? is there such a thing? ano pa bang parte ng katawan ang hindi nagkakaroon ng cancer? :eek:

hahahaha kunwari ka pa Little Jhonny! if i know this is your cup of tea! :open_mouth:
i guess ipin lang at buhok ang hindi nagkakaroon ng cancer:confused:

Penile cancer is a malignant growth found on the skin or in the tissues of the penis, usually originating in the glans or foreskin. It is a rare form of cancer sometimes cause by lack of circumcision.There are several treatment options for penile cancer depending on the staging, the most common and effective treatment of penile cancer is Penectomy, a Penectomy can rangefrom partial up to the “total removaL of the penis!”:eek:

Little Johnny

12-13-2005, 11:40 AM

Sabi nila, mas masarap daw kapag hindi tuli. Totoo kaya ito? Sana’y masagot din itong katanungan ko.

mahirap sagutin 'tong tanong na 'to, houseboy. how would one guy know the difference? He can only be circumcised or not circumcised, get it?

unless of course nakipag-sex sya nung nde pa tuli, then nagpatuli at nakipag-sex ulit… meron ba sa inyong nakaranas nito?

DJchot

12-13-2005, 12:18 PM

mahirap sagutin 'tong tanong na 'to, houseboy. how would one guy know the difference? He can only be circumcised or not circumcised, get it?

unless of course nakipag-sex sya nung nde pa tuli, then nagpatuli at nakipag-sex ulit… meron ba sa inyong nakaranas nito?

ang gusto atang sabihin ni houseboy ay mas masarap para sa babae ang mga di tuli compare sa mga tuli. dahil siguro sa may excess skin pa kasi ang mga supot.

sino ba dito ang may nakaniig na supot at tuli para ma-attest yung haka haka ni houseboy?

DJchot

12-13-2005, 12:28 PM

ang gusto atang sabihin ni houseboy ay mas masarap para sa babae ang mga di tuli compare sa mga tuli. dahil siguro sa may excess skin pa kasi ang mga supot.

sino ba dito ang may nakaniig na supot at tuli para ma-attest yung haka haka ni houseboy?

oops, nag rewind ako sa thread. bakit para sa lalake ang tanong na to? mahirap nga namang sagutin ng lalake yan hehe. sige. pero may tropa akong late na nagpatule e. supot pa sya nung nadonselya sya. actually, nagpatule sya after pa nyang mag asawa. :eek:

pero, i still remember, tinanong ako ng doctor noon kung anong cut ang gusto ko. german cut or V-cut. mas malinis yung german cut tingnan pero mas may sensation naman daw sa babae yung V-cut kasi di naman pinutol totally yung excess skin.

Dax

12-13-2005, 12:54 PM

Even during Christ time, it is already being practiced.
Yep. To be more precise, centuries before Christ pa practiced na ito. Sabi sa Bible, si Abraham ang unang tinuli! It was a covenant between God and him. Pagkatuli nya sa sarili nya at kay Ishmael, tinuli din ang lahat ng lalaki sa tribo nila.

Teddy

12-13-2005, 04:11 PM

… I see your point :slight_smile: …An adolescent with an uncircumcised pen~s is more likely to develop slow esteem and poor sexual confidence ( and being a parent of one boy, the last thing i want to think about is my child having sex, but realistically, it is inevitable and i want the best for his life as a whole — including , ugh , sex) :smiley: :wink:

Sooner or later, fortunately or unfortunately, he is going to learn what he should do without parents knowing about it;) I heard somewhere that a great percentage of adult Japanese guys keep good relationship with their “skin”:smiley: And an operation takes only a couple of hours without any visible scars left with them…not that I have experienced it myself, FYI:D

It was kinda “taboo” here in the Japanese society talking about sex with parents, at least in my time… so I’m kinda impressed with you worrying about your son that way and open to talk about that kind of issue with your son:)

JEM_jp

12-13-2005, 04:22 PM

Sooner or later, fortunately or unfortunately, he is going to learn what he should do without parents knowing about it;) I heard somewhere that a great percentage of adult Japanese guys keep good relationship with their “skin”:smiley: And an operation takes only a couple of hours without any visible scars left with them…not that I have experienced it myself, FYI:D

It was kinda “taboo” here in the Japanese society talking about sex with parents, at least in my time… so I’m kinda impressed with you worrying about your son that way and open to talk about that kind of issue with your son:)

Yeah…
kung ako ang anak ni docomo, I’ll be shy at the same time sabik na maka-experience na sex coz I want to implement what *daddy taught/impart me… :smiley:

betong

12-13-2005, 04:22 PM

If you don’t want to have AIDS, well, either you should have as few sex partners as possible or you shouldn’t engage in unprotected sex. Kung supot ka at nagkaroon ka ng AIDS, palagay ko hindi mo puwedeng sabihin, “Hindi kasi ako natuli kaya ako nagka-AIDS.” Hindi ba?
So we can’t say that preventing HIV is a good reason for circumcision. O may hindi ba ako naiintindihan? :slight_smile:
Hello Reon san! No I don’t think that getting circumcised is the best way to avoid getting HIV. And yes, having a single partner is the safest, provided ofcourse, that that other person doesn’t have a high-risk way of living (multiple partners, IV drugs…). Here is a quote from a bible of mine, the NEJM (Current Concepts: Sexual Transmission of HIV (http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/336/15/1072) Royce R. A., Seña A., Cates W., Cohen M. S. N Engl J Med 1997; 336:1072-1078, Apr 10, 1997):
Transmission through sexual contact accounts for 75 to 85 percent of the nearly 28 million infections with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) that have occurred so far.1 (http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/336/15/1072?hits=20&where=fulltext&andorexactfulltext=a nd&searchterm=circumcis ion+hiv&sortspec=Score%2Bdes c%2BPUBDATE_SORTDATE %2Bdesc&excludeflag=TWEEK_el ement&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT#R 1) The probability of infection through sexual contact, although it varies greatly, appears to be lower than that of infection through other routes of exposure…
Male circumcision consistently shows a protective effect against HIV infection.70 (http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/336/15/1072?hits=20&where=fulltext&andorexactfulltext=a nd&searchterm=circumcis ion+hiv&sortspec=Score%2Bdes c%2BPUBDATE_SORTDATE %2Bdesc&excludeflag=TWEEK_el ement&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT#R 70) This may be due to the abundance of Langerhans’ cells in the foreskin or to a receptive environment for HIV in the sulcus between the foreskin and glans. The prevalence of HIV infection is 1.7 to 8.2 times as high in men with foreskins as in circumcised men, and the incidence of infection is 8 times as high. A greater proportion of the sex partners of uncircumcised men than of circumcised men are infected with HIV, which suggests that the presence of the foreskin may also increase infectiousness.
A much more recent article shows that Langerhans cells that are part of the macrophage family, have receptors for HIV and so play an important role in the entering of the virus in humans.
blah, blah, blah. Even I bore myself…

docomo

12-13-2005, 04:50 PM

Dear Docomo,

Magandang gabi.

Sabi nila, mas masarap daw kapag hindi tuli. Totoo kaya ito? Sana’y masagot din itong katanungan ko.

Ang iyong tigasubaybay,
Houseboy

… Kind ~of the way a woman does with a man…

It shouldn’t be the sex organ that matters when it comes to love :wink:

docomo

12-13-2005, 04:56 PM

Sa probinsiya, kapag laging may muta ang isang bata o mga bata, yun daw ay dahil ‘supot’ ang tatay. Kasabihan lang sa amin ito, pero nagdadalawang-isip din ako noon kasi muta-in nga ang ibang bata. Di ko naman ma-confirm yung ama kung tuli ba siya o hinde. Dyahe di ba? Pwede rin nagkataon lang ito.

… This is a good example of how superstitions can be seriously deprimental :smiley:

JEM_jp

12-13-2005, 04:58 PM

… This is a good example of how superstitions can be seriously deprimental :smiley:

Yeah… we need to break away from this…

docomo

12-13-2005, 05:08 PM

Circumcision is a part of personal hygiene. Filipinos are more consious about it because it is in our tradition. Mostly, Christians. Even during Christ time, it is already being practiced.

Sa mga Filipino, it is also a part of pride to be circumcised. Lalo nat kung ayaw nilang silay maging tampulan ng tukso.

With Japanese, I think it was seldom practice during old days. Pero ngayon, as Aprilluck had said that it is already being asked in some hospitals here whether you want it or not be applied with your “barakos”…

But if you`ll come to think of it, all are advantage to your children. So, why not do it?

… I personally don’t think parents should be allowed to choose whether to circumcise their children or not,regardless of the gender …That’s a choice a person should make once they understand the pluses and minuses . Circumcision is not vital to health or well being, and therefore a person has to agree to it and want it just like in breast augmentation surgeries or hair transplants… ( I could be wrong though) :slight_smile:

myukasky

12-13-2005, 09:37 PM

Circumcision is a part of personal hygiene. Filipinos are more consious about it because it is in our tradition. Mostly, Christians. Even during Christ time, it is already being practiced.

Sa mga Filipino, it is also a part of pride to be circumcised. Lalo nat kung ayaw nilang silay maging tampulan ng tukso.

With Japanese, I think it was seldom practice during old days. Pero ngayon, as Aprilluck had said that it is already being asked in some hospitals here whether you want it or not be applied with your “barakos”…

But if you`ll come to think of it, all are advantage to your children. So, why not do it?

May isa akong barako (anak) pero di ko naisip ni minsan na ipa circumcise ko sya. Before my friend asked me kung ipapacircumcise ko itong anak ko. Sabi ko huh tuli? Bakit? Siya din kasi may anak sya isang boy at japanese din husband nya. Pero im not sure kung naituloy nya pero yan ang sabi nya sa akin. Sabi pa nya dapat ipatuli mo yan kasi ganito ganyan.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sagot ko sa kanya, kapag pinatuli ko sya baka kapag nakita nya yung sa hubby ko magtaka sya kasi di sila pareho ng papa nya.:eek: Natawa sya sa sinabi ko, pero sa akin totoo yun.

fremsite

12-13-2005, 10:47 PM

May isa akong barako (anak) pero di ko naisip ni minsan na ipa circumcise ko sya. Before my friend asked me kung ipapacircumcise ko itong anak ko. Sabi ko huh tuli? Bakit? Siya din kasi may anak sya isang boy at japanese din husband nya. Pero im not sure kung naituloy nya pero yan ang sabi nya sa akin. Sabi pa nya dapat ipatuli mo yan kasi ganito ganyan.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sagot ko sa kanya, kapag pinatuli ko sya baka kapag nakita nya yung sa hubby ko magtaka sya kasi di sila pareho ng papa nya.:eek: Natawa sya sa sinabi ko, pero sa akin totoo yun.

pareho tayo myukasky san … baka kasi maging center ng tuksuhan lalo pa at dito sila lumaki ( at lalaki pa … ) baka pag nakita ng mga friends niya …sabihin … " bakit iba yung sa yo ? " … wawa naman bata …:stuck_out_tongue:

fisher

12-13-2005, 11:57 PM

mahirap sagutin 'tong tanong na 'to, houseboy. how would one guy know the difference? He can only be circumcised or not circumcised, get it?

unless of course nakipag-sex sya nung nde pa tuli, then nagpatuli at nakipag-sex ulit… meron ba sa inyong nakaranas nito?

Hanep ka littlejohnny! Itanong mo iyan ke pareng gabby dahel nadevirginized iyan noong maliit pa siyang bata habang nagbabahaybahayan! Ahe,he,he,he,he:D .

houseboy

12-14-2005, 12:05 AM

… Kind ~of the way a woman does with a man…

It shouldn’t be the sex organ that matters when it comes to love :wink:

Docomo,

Magandang gabi ulit.

Sana naman ay aminin din ng maraming kababayan natin na importante ang sex, este lovemaking pala:rolleyes:. Wag mag deny, don’t tell a lie, aminin!!!:smiley:

Ang iyong kaibigang walang kaalam-alam sa sex,
Houseboy

fisher

12-14-2005, 12:23 AM

Docomo,

Magandang gabi ulit.

Sana naman ay aminin din ng maraming kababayan natin na importante ang sex, este lovemaking pala:rolleyes:. Wag mag deny, don’t tell a lie, aminin!!!:smiley:

Ang iyong kaibigang walang kaalam-alam sa sex,
Houseboy
Ayan ka ah! Kaya nga hindi ka makatingin ng diretso sa picture taking naten eh baka mabisto ka ng mga gurls mo na nasa ibang lupalup ka na naman he,he,he,he:D .
P.S
Pare uwi ka ba ng Christmas season?

houseboy

12-14-2005, 12:45 AM

Ayan ka ah! Kaya nga hindi ka makatingin ng diretso sa picture taking naten eh baka mabisto ka ng mga gurls mo na nasa ibang lupalup ka na naman he,he,he,he:D .
P.S
Pare uwi ka ba ng Christmas season?

Kaibigang Fisher,

Gandang umaga.

Hindi ako makatingin ng diretso kasi iba tinitingnan ko. Iniisip ko kung magpapatuli ba ako o hindi.:smiley:

Ang kaibigan mo,
Houseboy

P.S.
Hindi ako uuwi sa Chrismas pero uuwi na ako sa January.

akiam

12-14-2005, 09:17 AM

i got your point docomo and myukasky…

anyway, not a problem with me for now.

docomo

12-14-2005, 10:18 AM

Docomo,

Magandang gabi ulit.

Sana naman ay aminin din ng maraming kababayan natin na importante ang sex, este lovemaking pala:rolleyes:. Wag mag deny, don’t tell a lie, aminin!!!:smiley:

Ang iyong kaibigang walang kaalam-alam sa sex,
Houseboy

Houseboy ,

Hindi ko ipagkakaila yang sinabi mo at lalong hinding hindi ako magsisinungaling sa sarili ko… mas madaling magsabi ng katotohanan kesa ang magsinungaling…

sa katanungan mo palagay ko ay nasagot ng tama yan ng kaibigan nating si fremsite… :slight_smile:

Ang iyong kaibigang nagsasabi lang ng tutuo

Docomo

mrs-mymelo

06-29-2008, 10:26 AM

Good morning sa lahat ng ka-TF.Sa wakas natuli na rin ang 10 yrs. old sonny ko.Kababalik ko lang from our home sweet home.Ganda ng uwi namin kaso inabutan ng bagyo.Doon ko pinatuli sa hometown ng Lola ko.It’s a paradise.Every morning after 3 days,pinaligoan ang anak ko sa dagat.:).O,see?

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