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midnight

12-31-2005, 07:21 AM

I don’t know if this topic would still be still interesting to all of you. But do you believe that there is a reincarnation ? If there is, what do you want to do if you will be reincarnated ?
I’ll give my answer later 'coz I really need to go to bed ok ???>>>I’ll wait for your answers:wave:

Hungry eyes

12-31-2005, 04:36 PM

As for my opinion…i dont believe in reincarnation…we born and live just once…but if ever there is…i want to be me again…although im not borned rich…but poor…not lucky in life…not that preety…but still…i love for being me…

jhunex

02-12-2006, 06:01 PM

Hi Everyone,

I just wanna share this topic about “The Meaning of Resurrection (Resurrection - Outline of The Principle, Level 4)” that will lead us to the true understanding about the theory of reincarnation. Hope this will enlightened all of us about the correct understanding of reincarnation. So to those who are interested to know please read this topic and study it.

If you like to watch the video lecture just go here; Resurrection (http://www.familyfed.org/usa/video2003/20030326_5.wmv):slight_smile:

And if you want with illustration or slide presentation just go here Resurrection (Divine Principle Slide Presentation) and click the topic on the left side.:slight_smile:

piNkAhOLiC

02-15-2006, 01:24 PM

I got interested in these things (reincarnation,karmi c debts,astral travel) during college back in UP. The researches that Jaime Licauco did are exemplary. You might want to check on that. And yep, I do believe in reincarnation. :slight_smile:

striver

02-25-2006, 07:21 PM

like the one you seen in a movie like “ghost” or any other tv program, before the soul goes in heaven or hell, if that soul has unfinished business, nanatili raw muna dito sa lupa ng pansamantagal.:smiley: that is what i’ve also heard.

dati di ako naniwala sa mga ganito or reincarnation. but when my father died (was murdered) on the new year of 2000, i came to believe that. at the period of one week na nakaburol sya sa bahay, first morning ng burol nya non, meron pumasok na napakalaking bubuyog sa bahay namin. never seen such size of a bee before in my entire life. then ng mga sumunod na araw eh ganun din. same place kung san sya pumapasok and iikutin nya iyong bahay namin. parang kabisado nya. then titigil ng ilang segondo sa aming magkakapatid. ganun din sa akin at nanay ko. nong first day, natakot pa ko kasi baka kako kagatin kaya binubugaw ko pa. pero nong mga sumunod na araw eh di na ko natakot. then after na maikot nya iyong bahay namin, lalabas na sya. that thing was happened every morning, same time non sa burol nya, pero ng nailibing na sya, di na bumalik ang bubuyog. lahat kming magkakapatid at nanay ko eh nagtaka talaga. bakit nga kaya? then meron nagsabi sa kin na, maybe your father soul ay nagakatawang bubuyog daw at pumupunta non lagi sa burol nya to check all of you. siguro nga totoo.

sa inyo meron bang ganitong nangyari when someone near or special to you died? maybe you can share.

<<Admin: merged with Midnight’s post with the same title.>>

japphi

02-25-2006, 08:11 PM

Ako naniniwala rin…father namin namatay noong 2002…pero bago yon namatay kuya ko 22 days before.Nung nasa burol ang tatay namin ay may butterfly na kulay brown ang pumasok sa bahay namin at ali-aligid sa loob…sa loob lang sya kung saan ang labi ng tatay namin.

Bago nawala ang Kuya ko naging brown o nangitim ang kulay nya nang dahil sa mga radiations na ginawa sa treatments nya.Napaka-close namin ng Kuya ko at ako ang unang nakakita…pumasok kaagad sa isip ko na sya yon…sa loob ko ay kinausap ko sya…kasama namin sya sa pagdadalamhati.Hindi sya umalis sa tabi ng kabaong …hanggang umaga…mga bandang tanghali na nung hanapin ko wala na.

Sa libing naman nya…habang papunta na sa sementeryo at naglalakad kami…may lumilipad sa may unahan namin…nang tingnan kong maige…same butterfly na nakita namin sa burol.Hindi yon lumipad kung saan…kasama namin yon hanggang na-ilibing sya…

Hanggang ngayon…kung minsan ay may pumapasyal na butterfly na brown sa aming magkakapatis…kahit na dito sa akin…kaya I believe na kahit na wala na sila ay andito pa rin sila at nakakasama pa natin through spirits.Hindi nga lang natin sila nakikita…pero nakakagawa sila ng mga paraan para maramdaman natin na sila ay nasa tabi lang natin.

Panzar327

02-25-2006, 08:59 PM

Natatandaan ko sa family namin nung bata pa ko,tuwing may butterfly lagi nalang sinasabi ng mga tita ko at tatay ko si ate(yung tita ko na namatay na…violet ang kulay saking pagkakatanda…)pag naman naman may brown sinasabi nila (si nanay yun yung lolah ko)
dati nagtataka ko nung bata pa ko,bakit sinasabi nila lola ko yon…or tita ko…(ofcource alam ko na non na mga patay na sila)kaya nagtataka ko…

Minsan pag maiingay kming magpipinsan nung bata pa ko…sasabihin nila wag ka makulit magagalit si ate…which is yung butterfly na yon ang tinutukoy nila…dati kasi nung bata pa ko sama sama kaming magpipinsan sa iisang bahay…

Natatandaan ko pa,pag undas…noon parang reunion na rin ng pamilya namin.laging nandon is sa mga butterfly na nabanggit ko…buong araw na nandon lang sya nakadapo sa kurtina.

Minsan naman undas din yun…syempre parang reunion na ng pamilya may kainan na konti.nakapagtulos naman na kami ng kandila.pero nung tanghalian na nung kumakain kami…bigla na lang kaming inikutan ng butterfly…that time brown naman sabi nila lolah ko daw yon.kaya daw dumaan kasi nakalimutan pala naming mag~atang ng tanghalian.

Hanggang sa lumalaki ako unti unti kong naiintindihan kung ano ibig nilang sabihin.
Nung alam ko na ibig nilang sabihin…natatandaan ko pag nagkakaroon ng mabigat na problema ang pamilya namin…laging nandon isa sa mga butterfly…

dalawang beses pa nga habang nagbibiyahe kami para ayusin ang problema ng pamilya namin…
nakasabay samin yung butterfly na brown nandon lang sya sa side miror ng sasakyan…nakadapo… pero di abala…sa salamin.hanggang sa makarating kami sa pupuntahan namin nandon lang sya…pero pag nasolved na namin yung problem.lilipad na lang sya.

kaya daw ganon…nakikisimpaty a daw sila at binabantayan daw kami sa oras ng kagipitan.

minsan naitanong ko sa mga tita ko…paano nyo naman nasabi na butterfly sila?(kasi nung namatay tita ko di pa ko pinapanganak,at nung namatay naman lola ko…2 years old palang yata ako)
kasi daw yun daw butterfly na yon ang unang dumapo nung nakaburol yung tita o lola ko.
nandon lang daw yon di umaalis hanggang sa nailibing sila…at paminsan minsan nga dumadalaw.

striver

02-25-2006, 09:05 PM

naexperience nyo rin pala. thank you sa post nyo. so naniniwala rin pala kayo about it. ako dati talagang hindi, but when that incident happen, naniniwala na ko ngayon.

alexb

02-25-2006, 09:34 PM

meron talagang multo, etc, pero di yun spirits ng mga namatay, yun ay panlilinlang ni satanas para di tayo maniwala sa bible, kasi sa bible ang sabi ang patay ay patay na at wala ng nalalaman sa daigdig ng mga buhay…

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 RSV)

kahit si haring david ay nandito pa sa lupa at wala sa langit o impierno…

“Brethren, I may say to you confidently of the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day… For David did not ascend into the heavens” (Acts 2:29,34 RSV)

nasaan naman ang mga patay ngayon? nandito at nagaantay na buhayin uli…

“for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28-29 RSV)

kung reincarnation naman, its like saying wala ng judgment day…hope nakatulong ito

Hungry eyes

02-25-2006, 11:13 PM

Yan din ang paniniwala ko…kahit hindi ako masyadong religious…na lahat ng patay ay nandito pa sa lupa…kahit si Virgin Mary…dahil waiting pa ng judgement day…

pero minsan din nagbibigay ng palaisipan sa aking ang mga butterfly…kasi ganoon din …minsan may dumadalaw na butterfly sa bahay…kakaiba ang kulay…sabi ng dad ko si lola ko daw iyon…dadapo sya sa amin lahat… tapos aalis na…hindi naman kami mukhang flower or amoy flower para simsimin nya…really Life is full of mystery…malalaman lang natin kung meron talagang reincarnation when we died…kaya lang wala na siguro tayong kakayahan para ipamalita sa iba ano…?

:confused::confused: :confused: at marami pang:confused::confu sed:

dcat

02-26-2006, 12:27 AM

hindi ko masyadong sigurado, pero feeling ko ako ay reincarnated version in Jimi Hendrix.:smiley: Hindi ako masyadong magaling mag-gitara ngayon, kasi pinarusahan ako, dati kasi eh salbahe ko nung si Jimi Hendrix pa ako - drugs dito drugs doon. Hay kung maibabalik ko lang.

midnight

02-26-2006, 03:31 AM

huh… thanks guys ! for sharing and posting your stories on my thread.

i really think reincarnation exist and its real. well… waht do i wanna become when i get reincarnated ???

Let me think about it first…for a while …

puting tainga

02-26-2006, 08:52 AM

Being a regular church-goer, I can not say I believe in reincarnation.
However, if God wants to reincarnate someone, He can do it.

"As the human population becomes bigger, number of wild animals is getting smaller. Isn’t this an evidence of reincarnation? " Someone said to me.

By the way, people ask “what do you want to be reincarnated?”
My answer is always the same, "I want be a Kai "(any kind of crams, oysters, kontsa etc.)

This answer is partly meant for a joke:
There is an old Japanese movie entitled “I want to be a Kai.” and movie fans would smile.

jhunex

02-26-2006, 09:37 AM

Hi Everyone,

I just wanna share this topic about “The Meaning of Resurrection (Resurrection - Outline of The Principle, Level 4)” that will lead us to the true understanding about the theory of reincarnation. Hope this will enlightened all of us about the correct understanding of reincarnation. So to those who are interested to know please read this topic and study it.

If you like to watch the video lecture just go here; Resurrection (http://www.familyfed.org/usa/video2003/20030326_5.wmv):slight_smile:

Additional learning materials about Resurrection & Theory of Reincarnation (http://www.divineprinciples .com/levelonepages/resurrection/resurrection1.htm)

midnight

03-02-2006, 02:22 AM

Wala LAng Maraming Salamat sa patuloy nyong pagtangkilik sa aking makatotohanang usapin :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: . Kung wala kayo wala rin ako dito sa TF :open_mouth: . ( Naks ! Malaartistang speech eh,no :confused: ).

alexb

03-07-2006, 12:38 PM

baka nalilito lang tayo lalo na sa incarnate at reincarnate, ito ang ilang paliwanag…

INCARNATE: from Late Latin “incarnatus” -invested with bodily and especially human nature and form (Merriam & Webster).

Jesus was God incarnate, meaning nagkatawang tao o binigyan ng katawang tao…

REINCARNATE: to incarnate again (Merriam & Webster)

Reincarnation, literally to be made flesh again…This doctrine is a central tenet within Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, Surat Shabda Yoga, Spiritism, some African religions, as well as various other religions teachings and esoteric philosophies. Most modern Pagans also believe in reincarnation…Rein carnation is traditionally understood to be akin to the Buddhist concept of Rebirth…(Wikipedia )

Makikita natin na HINDI turo ng Bible ang paglipat ng espiritu ng namatay na tao sa ibang katawan maging ito man ay katawan ng tao o hayop kundi ito ay turo ng mga pagano. Ito’y panlililang ng diablo, mula kay Adan at Eba ay sinabi na niya sa kanila na “kayo ay di tunay na mamamatay” at hanggang ngayon ay sinasabi niya ito sa atin. Malaki po ang implication nito kung ating paniniwalaan ang kasinungalingang ito.

wolfgang

03-07-2006, 12:59 PM

hindi ko masyadong sigurado, pero feeling ko ako ay reincarnated version in Jimi Hendrix.:smiley: Hindi ako masyadong magaling mag-gitara ngayon, kasi pinarusahan ako, dati kasi eh salbahe ko nung si Jimi Hendrix pa ako - drugs dito drugs doon. Hay kung maibabalik ko lang… How nice naman siguro ako naman ang reincarnated version ni Janis Joplin :wink:
peace tayo…

ladygems1216

03-07-2006, 08:41 PM

… Pacencia na po pero di po ako naniniwala sa reincarnation, wala po ito sa Holy Bible.

wolfgang

03-07-2006, 10:20 PM

Sa totoo lang di rin po ako naniniwala sa reincarnation kc wala pong batayan at walang pruweba kung may taong na reincarnate.At dahil po sa relihiyon ko di ko na po sasabihin kung ano ang aking relihiyon di po kami naniniwala diyan dahil ang tao pag namatay ay talagang patay na at babalik lamang tayo sa panahon ng paghuhukom… kaya nga po di kami nagtitirik ng kandila ehh

infinite_trial

03-08-2006, 05:59 PM

hindi ko masyadong sigurado, pero feeling ko ako ay reincarnated version in Jimi Hendrix.:smiley: Hindi ako masyadong magaling mag-gitara ngayon, kasi pinarusahan ako, dati kasi eh salbahe ko nung si Jimi Hendrix pa ako - drugs dito drugs doon. Hay kung maibabalik ko lang.

whoa and i was a bad a$$ flithy rich niggah…male to be exact who drowned to death. i sometimes entertain that this idea could be true. like children tellin some freaky stories bout their past lives or they have known a person from somewhere or some time.

i have recurrin dreams of a place that seems familiar to me. also, i have also experienced meetin someone and we felt like we’ve known each other for ages.

— oh wait now this is freaky…

i just came across this site (http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/) analysis of mah past life. and here is the result

I don’t know how you feel about it, but you were male in your last earthly incarnation.
You were born somewhere in the territory of modern Wales around the year 1825.
Your profession was that of a warrior, hunter, fisherman or executor of sacrifices.
– most people say i think like a male

Your brief psychological profile in your past life:
You always liked to travel and to investigate. You could have been a detective or a spy.
– which explains why i often become suspicious and would always like to discover things on mah own

The lesson that your last past life brought to your present incarnation:
Your lesson is to conquer jealousy and anger in yourself and then in those who will select you as their guide. You should understand that these weaknesses are caused by fear and self-regret.
– yeah i really need to conquer those

jhunex

03-10-2006, 10:38 PM

Hi! alexb

I agree of what you post here;

Makikita natin na HINDI turo ng Bible ang paglipat ng espiritu ng namatay na tao sa ibang katawan maging ito man ay katawan ng tao o hayop kundi ito ay turo ng mga pagano. Ito’y panlililang ng diablo,

But;

mula kay Adan at Eba ay sinabi na niya sa kanila na “kayo ay di tunay na mamamatay” at hanggang ngayon ay sinasabi niya ito sa atin. Malaki po ang implication nito kung ating paniniwalaan ang kasinungalingang ito.

Can you explain more about this or can you give some verses in the Bible. Kasi nabasa ko sa Ecclesiastes 12:7 “…and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” So it means that in a certain time we will leave this physical body(known us our death) and our spirit will live for eternity.

I hope we could have a nice discussion on this topic and be able to know for both of us and for those who happened to read this post what is the real truth.:slight_smile:

jhunex

03-10-2006, 10:54 PM

Sa totoo lang di rin po ako naniniwala sa reincarnation kc wala pong batayan at walang pruweba kung may taong na reincarnate.At dahil po sa relihiyon ko di ko na po sasabihin kung ano ang aking relihiyon di po kami naniniwala diyan dahil ang tao pag namatay ay talagang patay na at babalik lamang tayo sa panahon ng paghuhukom… kaya nga po di kami nagtitirik ng kandila ehh

Hi! wolfgang,

I’m just interested on the belief of your religion. So is there a possible that you can share more the belief of your religion when you say “babalik lamang tayo sa panahon ng paghuhukom”. What does it mean?. Babalik ba tayo with our physical body or spirit only or both.
Please, if it is OK for you we could have an exchange of beliefs.:slight_smile:

alexb

03-11-2006, 08:32 PM

Can you explain more about this or can you give some verses in the Bible. Kasi nabasa ko sa Ecclesiastes 12:7 “…and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” So it means that in a certain time we will leave this physical body(known us our death) and our spirit will live for eternity. --jhunex

sensya na jhunex ngayon lang ako naka-reply, na-spyware ang laptop ko kaya kahapon ko lang napagana uli.

ang belief na ang spirit ng tao ay consciuosly existing after death ay turo ng greeks at hindi ng bible. ang isa pang problema kaya tayo nalilito ay sa pagkaunawa natin sa spirit at soul. ang spirit ay simply the “breath of life” na galing sa Diyos, kaya nga gaya ng sa binigay mong talata ang spirit ay bumabalik sa Diyos pag namatay na ang tao. take note, sa verse na iyon ay walang sinabi na ang spirit will live for eternity.

tingnan natin ang definition ng bible sa soul and spirit:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul --Gen 2:7

ang “soul” ay di espiritu na may ulo, katawan, etc kundi tayo iyon, ang kabuuan ng katawan na galing sa lupa + breath of life = soul.

ang “spirit” ay yung breath of life (walang ulo, katawan, etc) na galing at babalik sa Diyos. kaya sa kamatayan naman ay reverse nito, ang katawan natin ay nagiging lupa at ang hininga ay babalik sa Diyos.

spirit (greek NT) pneuma, diyan galing ang salitang “pneumatic” o hangin.
spirit (hebrew OT) ruwach, breath o hininga

sabi ng Diyos:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. --Gen 2:17

sabi ng diablo:
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: --Gen 3:4

tanong: buhay pa ba si adan at eba? sino ang sinungaling?

kaya ang reincarnation ay kasinungalingan ni satanas na sinasabi sa atin na di talaga tayo namamatay kundi consciuos pa rin ang ating “spirit” at naghahanap lang ito ng lilipatan na katawan.

chubby_kulot

03-11-2006, 09:09 PM

I don’t know if this topic would still be still interesting to all of you. But do you believe that there is a reincarnation ? If there is, what do you want to do if you will be reincarnated ?
I’ll give my answer later 'coz I really need to go to bed ok ???>>>I’ll wait for your answers:wave:

ewan ko kung maniniwala ba ako sa reincarnation:confus ed: pero sama ko na rin sa topic na ito…"Pwede kayang i-reincarnation ang isang taong buhay pa:eek: ???"naitanong ko ito dahil meron sa karanasan ko… when i was in the philippines…elemen tary pa lang ako pati sya…grade 6 ako at grade 2 naman sya…papunta ako non sa canteen at ganon din sya…bibili ako ng ulam ko non at pareho ko rin iisa ang binibili naming ulam…giniling na may itlog…“sarap”…ng bigla pareho kaming matulala ng makita namin ang isat isa…(kahit ang tindera sa kanteen akala nga magkapatid kami)…dahil parang iisang mukha lang ang tinitignan namin…i mean parang nakatingin ako sa sarili ko sa salamin un nga lang maliit sya dahil bata pa…tapos tumawa sya…sabi nya…ako ba ikaw ate:D ako naman natakot…dahil sino sya…:eek: magkamukhang magkamukha kami…as in grabe…she was 6 yrs old at ako naman eh 12 yrs old…pareho ang bday namin…pati nick name…magkapareho ang simula ng real name namin pero di ang buong name…ewan ko…:confused: dahil babaero ang papa ko non naisip kong baka anak sya ng papa ko sa labas…dahil sa mamat papa ko kahawig ko ang papa ko…naging magkaibigan kami dahil kinaibigan ko tlga sya…makulet sya tulad ko at maharot…parang nakikita ko un ako sa knya…me pag katomboy ako non at ganon din sya…mahilig syang mag laro ng moro moro na sya rin paborito ko…den minsan inaya ko sya sa bahay namin…tulad ko nabigla ang pamilya ko lalo na ang mamat papa ko…dahil sa akala mo iisa kami parang ako na pinaliit sa katauhan nya at sya nman eh pinalaki sa katauhan ko…ask nmin si papa ko kung may naanakan sya sa mga naging babae nya…wla daw…(war pa nga sila ni mader non:D )at pinuntahan nmin un bahay nila…nakilala namin ang nanay at tatay nang batang kamukha ko…at kahit sila nagulat sa pagkakakita skin…:eek: nakakatuwang isipin na isinilang ulit ang isang ako…dahil sa pagkakakwentuhan ng pamilya ko at pamilya nya halos iisa ang ugali namin…pangalwa rin sya sa magkakapatid…tulad ko…un nga lang di nya masyadong hawig ang mga kapatid nya tulad ko na di ko hawig dahil halos laht ng kapatid ko mama ko kahawig nila…naging magkaibigan ang pamilya namin…kahit na high skul na ako dinadalaw ko parin sya sa elementary at madalas sya ang kasama ko sa pag lalaro…mahilig pa akong maglro (kahit na nung nasa collage na ako…)at paborito ko kasi ang mga bata…habang pareho kaming lumalaki…mas lalong nakikita ang pagkakahawig namin na parang biniyak na buko…pero nang nasa 2nd year na ako…umalis sila ng pamilya nya at ang alam lang namin sa visaya na sila nakatira now…ewan ko kung ano na balita sa knila…kasi dun na natapos ang communication namin…:frowning: naiisip ko lang now…kamusta na kaya sya at kung kamukha ko parin b sya…ewan ko…di ko na rin alam…sana lang nasa mabuti sya at pamilya nya…

di ako naniniwala sa reincarnation dahil wala pa akong nakilalang tao na namatay tapos nagreincarnate…:smiley: sa pelikula ko lang napapanood un mga tungkol jan…but if ever mamatay ako at magreincarnate…sig uro ako pa rin ang pipiliin ko…kahit pa minsan naiisip kong napakahirap ng magin isang ako:)

jhunex

03-12-2006, 04:19 AM

Hi! alexb,

Thank you very much for your reply. Actually I learned much from you specially the difference between soul & spirit.
Can I ask again kung OK lang sa iyo.

ang belief na ang spirit ng tao ay consciuosly existing after death ay turo ng greeks at hindi ng bible. ang isa pang problema kaya tayo nalilito ay sa pagkaunawa natin sa spirit at soul. ang spirit ay simply the “breath of life” na galing sa Diyos, kaya nga gaya ng sa binigay mong talata ang spirit ay bumabalik sa Diyos pag namatay na ang tao. take note, sa verse na iyon ay walang sinabi na ang spirit will live for eternity.
Isn’t it the reason why God created the spirit world is for our spiritual body to live there for eternity when we leave our physical body here on earth(physical world)?

sabi ng Diyos:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. --Gen 2:17
Here in the word of God what is it that “shall surely die”, is it our physical or spirit body that is reffering to die? Because it said that “for in the day that thou eatest therefore thou shall surely die”, we all know that Adam & Eve aet the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and they didn’t die on that day they eat it right, infact the Bible said that they live for 130years(Gen.5:3). So was it physical or spiritual?

kaya ang reincarnation ay kasinungalingan ni satanas na sinasabi sa atin na di talaga tayo namamatay kundi consciuos pa rin ang ating “spirit” at naghahanap lang ito ng lilipatan na katawan.

It’s nice to meet you here, I hope we can get to know each other eventhough you are very far from my place.:slight_smile:

alexb

03-13-2006, 01:37 PM

actually walang nabanggit sa bible na may ginawang spirit world ang Diyos para sa spirit body, like I said this is from greek mythology.

ang patay ay patay na at wala ng alam sa mundo ng mga buhay…

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. --Eccl 9:5

gawin ko na lang example ang electricty although di masyadong maganda, ang spirit ay parang electricity sa isang light bulb, pag may kuryente may ilaw ito, pero ang kuryente ay walang katawan o pagiisip. ganun din sa tao, ang spirit o buhay ang siyang dahilan kaya tayo gumalagalaw, nakakapag-salita atbp, pero ito ay walang ulo, kamay, paa, at katawan.

ang buhay o spirit ay bumabalik sa Diyos kapag tayo ay namatay…parang nawala yung electricity.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. --Eccl 12:7

di na kayang pumuri sa Diyos ang mga patay…

The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. --Ps 115:17

gagawa ang Diyos ng bagong langit at lupa at ito ay physical at di spiritual…

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. --Isa 65:17

yes Adam lived up to 930 years old (Gen 5:5), di kasi explicit ang bible dito but most bible scholars and bible commentaries believed that it was because of Jesus interceding kaya di sila namatay right then and there. it doesnt mean yung spirit nila ang namatay agad.
pansinin mo itong verse na ito, the Lamb (Jesus) was slain before the foundation of the world…wala pang mundo pinatay na Siya…meaning He agreed that if ever man will fall into sin Siya ang sasagot (intercede o intercession)

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. --Rev 13:8

jhunex

03-18-2006, 12:26 AM

Hi! alexb…Thanks for your respond:)

actually walang nabanggit sa bible na may ginawang spirit world ang Diyos para sa spirit body, like I said this is from greek mythology.
Yes, the Bible doesn’t say explicitly that God created the spirit world for our spirit body but in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So what does the heaven means here isn’t it the spirit world and earth the physical world.
Hebrews 8:5 says…they serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven…

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. --Eccl 9:5
Yes, this verse is true but I think this is reffering to our physical body who will someday return to dust(decay) when we die physically but notreffering spiritually.

gawin ko na lang example ang electricty although di masyadong maganda, ang spirit ay parang electricity sa isang light bulb, pag may kuryente may ilaw ito, pero ang kuryente ay walang katawan o pagiisip. ganun din sa tao, ang spirit o buhay ang siyang dahilan kaya tayo gumalagalaw, nakakapag-salita atbp, pero ito ay walang ulo, kamay, paa, at katawan.

ang buhay o spirit ay bumabalik sa Diyos kapag tayo ay namatay…parang nawala yung electricity.
Ang ibig mong sabihin parang bulang nawala ang spirit?
But 1Cor. 15:44…it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
And Mtt.17:3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Isn’t it the spiritual body of Moses & Elijah that talking to Jesus.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. --Eccl 12:7

di na kayang pumuri sa Diyos ang mga patay…
Yes ,but this is reffering to physical dead.
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. --Ps 115:17

gagawa ang Diyos ng bagong langit at lupa at ito ay physical at di spiritual…
Yes, and this is repeated in Revelations 21:1…take note…a new heaven(spirit world) and a new earth(physical world).
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. --Isa 65:17

yes Adam lived up to 930 years old (Gen 5:5), di kasi explicit ang bible dito but most bible scholars and bible commentaries believed that it was because of Jesus interceding kaya di sila namatay right then and there. it doesnt mean yung spirit nila ang namatay agad.
But Gen. 2:17 says…in the day you eat from it you will surely die. Take note…in the day you eat…you will surely die, it is a word from God not from me.
So in the day that Adam & Eve aet the fruit their spirit self die,it means their connection or relationship to God was cut off, that’s why in Gen. 3:24 And so He drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life.

pansinin mo itong verse na ito, the Lamb (Jesus) was slain before the foundation of the world…wala pang mundo pinatay na Siya…meaning He agreed that if ever man will fall into sin Siya ang sasagot (intercede o intercession)

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. --Rev 13:8
When the first human ancestors fell away from that will, God determined to save all mankind and thus, God sent Christ for the whole world(John3:16), not willing that anyone should perish but that all should come to everlasting life(2Peter3:9). The term “from the foundation of the world” in Rev.13:8 is meant (according to more correct exegesis) to define “the names not appearing in the book of life” and not “the lamb who was slain” (see Rev.17:8). The way of the cross became predestined from the last year of Jesus’ ministry (see Matt.16:21) as a result of the irrevocable fact of Israel’s unfaithfulness and the subsequent invocation of the curse of the law.

alexb

03-19-2006, 11:46 AM

good day sayo jhunex…

So what does the heaven means here isn’t it the spirit world and earth the physical world.
implicit or explicit wala pa ring turo sa bible na ang heaven ay spiritual. look above you, is the galaxy we are in not physical? the heavens created in Gen 1:1 ay physical. yang belief na iyan ay galing sa Greek philosophy like I said before.

sa Heb 8:5, ito ay tungkol sa utos kay Moses na gumawa ng tabernacle na gaya ng nasa langit…shadow doesnt mean spirit. shadow - “the image” or “outline” cast by an object, meaning nakahubog sa itsura ng nasa langit yung pinagawa kay Moses.

our physical body who will someday return to dust(decay) when we die physically but notreffering spiritually.
galing sa greek philosophy ito

Ang ibig mong sabihin parang bulang nawala ang spirit?
the bible says yung spirit bumabalik sa Diyos

But 1Cor. 15:44…it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
first, lets study kung ano ibig sabihin ni pablo sa spiritual. lets see Gal 6:1…

Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; {each one} looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
ibig sabihin ba ni pablo dito sa mga taga Galatian church eh mga spirit yung mga nagsisimba doon? certainly not, binibigay lang niya ang pagkakaiba ng tao kung siya ay may kaugnayan sa Diyos. ang taong may kaugnayan sa Diyos ay spiritual.
now, sa 1Cor 15:44, dapat ay pagaralan natin ang immediate at larger context nito. sa chapter na ito ang subject ay comparison ng body natin ngayon sa resurrection body…

perishable - imperishable
sown in dishonor - raised in glory
sown in weakness - raised in power
natural - spiritual
from the dust - from heaven

sa nakita nating verse, tayo pala na may natural body ngayon ay nabubulok, nagkakasakit, nagkakasala, ngunit sa resurrection ay spiritual na ito (may physical body) at hindi nasisira, hindi nagkakasala etc (see verses 35 - 58). ipinakita rin ang comparison kay Adam at kay Jesus.

sa Matt 17:3, Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus physically. take note si Elijah ay dinala sa langit physically while Moses was resurrected (Jude 9)
what is the purpose of Jesus’ second coming? di ba to bring to heaven ang mga ligtas? kung nandun na ang mga ligtas spiritually, bakit babalik pa Siya at bubuhayin ang mga banal? para ibigay yung naiwan na body? eh bakit di kasama Niya ang mga nandun na sa langit sa 2nd coming Niya? (1 Thess 4:16-17) also, yung mga disciples Niya wala pa dun, pangako nga Niya babalikan Niya sila (John 14:1-3)

Yes ,but this is reffering to physical dead. yup, kasi walang human spirit na praising Him now

in the day you eat…you will surely die, it is a word from God not from me. like I said, Jesus interceded, dapat patay na sila nun. read mo yung mga susunod na verses, ibinigay agad ang pangako ng darating na Saviour.

Rev.13:8 is meant (according to more correct exegesis) to define “the names not appearing in the book of life” and not “the lamb who was slain” want I want to show here is that Jesus agreed to intercede if man should fall into sin, kelan itong agreement na ito? before creating the world.

jhunex

03-19-2006, 07:33 PM

Have a nice Day alexb:)

implicit or explicit wala pa ring turo sa bible na ang heaven ay spiritual.
See John 3:13. Jesus said, no one has gone into Heaven except he who has “come down from heaven.” Jesus did not at His first advent, come down from the sky. He was born on earth.
We believe in the same God and read the same Bible, and yet we are divided into over 400 different denominations worldwide. The main reason can be traced to the fact that key parts of the Bible are expressed in parables and symbols.

look above you, is the galaxy we are in not physical?
Yes its physical.

the heavens created in Gen 1:1 ay physical.
Can you give some verse that the heaven in Gen.1:1 is physical?

yang belief na iyan ay galing sa Greek philosophy like I said before.
Well I guess that Greek philosophy is consistent with the Bible on that point

sa Heb 8:5, ito ay tungkol sa utos kay Moses na gumawa ng tabernacle na gaya ng nasa langit…shadow doesnt mean spirit. shadow - “the image” or “outline” cast by an object, meaning nakahubog sa itsura ng nasa langit yung pinagawa kay Moses.
Yes, it is a commandment and shadow doesn’t mean spirit. What I’m trying to say here is that heaven here means spirit world or incorporeal world
our physical body who will someday return to dust(decay) when we die physically but notreffering spiritually.
galing sa greek philosophy ito
They are consistent with the Bible on this point. I guess.
Ang ibig mong sabihin parang bulang nawala ang spirit?
the bible says yung spirit bumabalik sa Diyos
Yes, yung spirit bumabalik sa Diyos , but it doesn’t mean its gone. In your example its seems to me it vanish.

now, sa 1Cor 15:44, dapat ay pagaralan natin ang immediate at larger context nito. sa chapter na ito ang subject ay comparison ng body natin ngayon sa resurrection body…
The word ‘resurrection’ means passing from dead to life. To understand the meaning of passing from death to life, let us consider the meaning of the words life & death.
In Luke 9:60 we read that to the disciple who wanted to go home for his father’s funeral, Jesus said,“…Leave the dead to bury their own dead…”. In these words of Jesus we find two different concepts of life & death. One concept is concerned with the physiological functioning of the physical body. The other is concerned with the people who would gather for the burial of the disciple’s father. Why did Jesus indicate that those people who would attend the funeral were dead when they were actually alive? It was because, being under satan’s dominion, they were ignorant of the purpose of life and did not know God, who is the source of life. Revelation 3:1 says,“…you have the name of being alive and you are dead.” From this verse we can see that even though a person is physically alive, if he is under satan’s dominion, then from Jesus point of view he is dead. With this view of death, life would then mean to be within God’s dominion, fulfilling the God-given purpose of life. In John 11:25,26 Jesus said,“…he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.” This tells us that whoever is connected to God’s dominion through Christ is alive, regardless of whether his physical body is dead or alive and regardless of whether he is on earth or in the spirit world.

sa Matt 17:3, Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus physically.
Can you give some proof that this is physically?

take note si Elijah ay dinala sa langit physically while Moses was resurrected (Jude 9)
Yes, that is in 2Kings2:11 but what does heaven means here? (see John3:13)
what is the purpose of Jesus’ second coming? di ba to bring to heaven ang mga ligtas?
Well… Jesus’ second coming is to bring heaven into us.
kung nandun na ang mga ligtas spiritually, bakit babalik pa Siya at bubuhayin ang mga banal? para ibigay yung naiwan na body? eh bakit di kasama Niya ang mga nandun na sa langit sa 2nd coming Niya? (1 Thess 4:16-17) also, yung mga disciples Niya wala pa dun, pangako nga Niya babalikan Niya sila (John 14:1-3)
(1 Thess. 4: 16-17). Meeting the Lord in the “air” does not mean “in the sky”. See Ephesians2:2,satan is not in the “sky”. Being caught up is referring to the spiritual resurrection, not the resurrection of the decomposed physical body or the physical elevation of those on earth at the time of Christ.
It should also be noted that Paul apparently was predicting this event within his earthly lifetime. He says “Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep…” Paul is addressing a concern of the believers about those that have already died believing in Christ, and therefore, have not experienced the Second Coming. Paul goes on to say in the 15th verse of 1Thess. chpt. 4…“According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the Coming of the Lord, will certainliy not precede those who have fallen asleep”(the bodily dead) and “we who are alive”(Paul and the other believers with him still in the flesh). That Paul was expecting the rapture for himself and those other believers of his age is made clear by the 17th verse" …after that(the rapture of the earthly dead) we who are still alive and are left will be caught up with the Lord forever. In that Paul was imperfect with regard to the timing of the event of the rapture, we must consider the possibility that Paul could, likewise, be imperfect with regard to the content of the phenomenon of the rapture. Remember that Paul admits to the imperfection of his own knowledge and looks forward to a future clarity(1Cor. 13:8-10,12).

in the day you eat…you will surely die, it is a word from God not from me. like I said, Jesus interceded, dapat patay na sila nun. read mo yung mga susunod na verses, ibinigay agad ang pangako ng darating na Saviour.
What verse does Jesus interceded at the time of the Fall of Adam & Eve? and what verses?

Rev.13:8 is meant (according to more correct exegesis) to define “the names not appearing in the book of life” and not “the lamb who was slain”(see Rev.17:8) want I want to show here is that Jesus agreed to intercede if man should fall into sin, kelan itong agreement na ito? before creating
What verse did Jesus intercede?

richie

03-19-2006, 11:13 PM

mag-comment sana ako sa colors ng mga letra, medyo masakit sa mata… please use darker color if you can…

thank you.

alexb

03-21-2006, 08:20 PM

I think you ask questions to start a debate, and I don’t think this is the forum for that. If that is the case this would be my last reply.

Jesus did not at His first advent, come down from the sky. He was born on earth.
I don’t get it, walang kaugnayan ata ito sa topic natin na “spirit”…anyway , saan ba galing si Jesus?

Can you give some verse that the heaven in Gen.1:1 is physical?
If you will only read Gen 1, diba nakasulat dun “nang pasimula ay nilkha ng Diyos ang langit at lupa”. Yan ang INTRO, tapos inisa-isa na ng author kung ano-ano ang nilalang ng Diyos sa langit at lupa. Sa lupa (earth) nilikha ang mga hayop sa tubig, lupa at hangin. Sa langit naman ay ang araw, bituin at buwan na pawang mga physical.

They are consistent with the Bible on this point. I guess.We should be sure sa ating belief

Yes, yung spirit bumabalik sa Diyos , but it doesn’t mean its gone. In your example its seems to me it vanish.
Kaya nga I said pangit yung illustration o example ko. Remember body + spirit (breath of life) = soul….kung alisin ang spirit at bumalik sa Diyos, nawala ba ito sa body?

The word ‘resurrection’ means passing from dead to life.
Yes I believe that, but ang topic sa 1 Cor 15:44, ay ang comparison ng katawan before and after resurrection.

sa Matt 17:3, Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus physically.
Can you give some proof that this is physically?
2 king 2:11 & Jude 9

Well… Jesus’ second coming is to bring heaven into us.
This is contrary to what Jesus said (John 14:1-3)

Meeting the Lord in the “air” does not mean “in the sky”. See Ephesians2:2,satan is not in the “sky”.
Ito yung event sa 2nd coming, salubungan ika nga, at pagkatapos nun saan sila pupunta? Sa langit siyempre.

What verse does Jesus interceded at the time of the Fall of Adam & Eve? and what verses?
I think this will be my 3rd time to post this…
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)
Ang sumulat ng Revelation ay si John matapos lumipas ang ilang taon na nung mamatay sa krus ng kalbaryo si Cristo. Pansinin natin, dumaan na ang ilang taon at saksi pa siya nung ipako sa krus si Cristo tapos sasabihin niya na ang “cordero ay pinatay bago matatag ang sanglibutan”. Ano ba ang ibig sabihin nito? Kaya ito ang verse na nagpapatunay na pumayag si Hesus mamatay para sa tao kahit di pa nilalalang ito.

Kaya I praise God for His salvation, praise God!

jhunex

03-25-2006, 08:48 AM

[quote=alexb]I think you ask questions to start a debate, and I don’t think this is the forum for that. If that is the case this would be my last reply.

Hi! alexb :slight_smile:

I’m very sorry if by asking you a question seems to be a debate but I have no intention of making a debate. What I want is to make a Bible study or to understand every passages in the Bible and be able to know the correct understanding and to enlighten those readers who are reading our post here.
Actually I learned from you about the difference between soul & spirit, before I really don’t understand that, but now because of your explanation I came to understand that…so thank you very much.
Of course it is natural for me to ask a question on what is your understanding on such a thing and it is natural for you to ask me also on the things I understand. So that we can have a give & take relationship and be able to find out what is the truth.
Just I said before we believe in the same God and read the same Bible & yet we are not united. Infact Christians are divided into over 400 denomination worldwide. And the main reason can be traced to the fact that key parts of the Bible are expressed in parables & symbols.
We should not read the Bible as it is or literally. As Jesus said in John 16:25,“Ang mga bagay na ito ay sinasabi ko sa inyo sa pamamagitan ng mga talinghaga. Darating ang oras na hindi na ako magsasalita sa inyo sa pamamagitan ng mga talinghaga. Subalit maliwanag kong ipapahayag sa inyo ang patungkol sa Ama.” John16:12-13,“Marami pa akong sasabihing mga bagay sa inyo ngunit hindi ninyo ito matatanggap sa ngayon. Gayunman, sa pagdating ng Espiritu ng Katotohanan papatnubayan niya kayo sa lahat ng katotohanan. Ito ay sapagkat hindi siya magsasalita ng patungkol sa kaniyang sarili. Kung ano ang kaniyang maririnig iyon ang kaniyang sasabihin. Ipapahayag niya sa inyo ang mga bagay na darating.”
So in order for us to know the symbolism we must study the other scripture in order to get a real handle on the full implication of it. And we can be united or one on our understanding, as Jesus said in John17:20-23 that we should be “one”.

The spiritual world is a real place. After the fall, man lost the ability to perceive and understand the realm. Thus through myths, superstitions and legends, man thought to come to terms with the “hereafter” and the prospects for eternal life. God, through the process of gradual revelation, has been step by step, elevating man’s awareness of the truth of the spiritual life and the realities of the spirit world. This does not mean that our myths and superstitions are just becoming more sophisticated. God through revealing higher and higher degrees of truth in history is moving man from myth to reality, from ignorance to enlightenment. We also fully recognize that process is not exclusive to the Judeo-Christian heritage, as is the Bible not the only inspired book of God.
I’m sure you had already read some books testifying about the Spiritual World like “The world that unseen” or “Life after Death” or heard a news about who have been clinically death but after a minute it revive and testifying what happen during he was away from his physical body.

One thing that we must consider is the “science”. As Albert Einstein said,“Religion without science is blind & Science without religion is cripple.”
Now our physical body once we die it decomposed, it is scientifically fact. So therefore there is no resurrection of a decomposed body(only spiritual body).If that is the case we will violating the law of science.
A good example maybe is a vine and a fruit. The vine gathers element from the physical world and that nourishment is utilize to bear fruit, but once that fruit is ripened the vine will eventually return to the soil from where it comes and the fruit will be harvested for a higher purpose.

Christ return to grant is the right to eat from the Tree of Life(Rev. 2:7). This is the same Tree of LIfe that Adam & Eve were seeking(Gen.3:24) and would have obtained had they maintain faith & righteousness(Prov. 11:30). The Tree of Life is a symbol of their perfection as individuals on their relationship with God. This was the prerequisite for the consummation of their marriage(the second blessing: to multiply). Christ returns to bless us with this right(Rev.2:7). He does not come for only one Church of a particular denomination. He comes to share His Blessing to all mankind(2Peter3:9; Acts3:21;Rev.21:5)

Regarding Rev.13:8 mentions the Lamb as being slain from the foundations of the world. However, modern and more reliable research into the original Greek manuscripts cast serious doubts as to the traditional rendering of the aforementioned scripture. A more accurate rendering would be “all whose names have been written from the foundation of the world belonging to the lamb that was slain.” So that the prepositional phrase is actually affixed(and is defining) the “names” and not “the lamb”. If you compare Rev.13:8 with Rev.17:8, you will see it in it’s proper form. Here the “names” are clearly the object of “from the foundation of the world”. In this context “the lamb” does not appear and, therefore, if “from the the foundations of the world” are defining the lamb of Rev.13:8 and not “the names” then the phrase should not appear the second time with the names without the Lamb also appearing. The RSV has Rev.13:8 in it’s proper form and the NIV has it listed as a footnote. All in all, it requires us to consider it within the context of other clearer scripture. The overwhelming evidence of Old Testament history is that Israel’s destiny was determined by their faithlessness in Christ when He appeared and thus Matt.16:21 “from that time”(the last year of His ministry) He began to teach about the cross.
Lamb doesn’t alwys mean a sacrificial offering. To call Jesus ‘lamb’ did not mean necessarily that he should have been crucified. A lamb represents absolute obedience to its owner’s will. It is a gentle and very obedient animal. When a lamb is slain, it does not resist. Man uses both the wool and the flesh of the lamb. In other words, both the inner and outer. Both Jesus and the Lord of the Second Advent are gentle and obedient to God. To be a sacrificial offering does not necessarily mean being killed, but the whole life is a sacrificial offering for world restoration. The whole being of the Lord is needed to help mankind.
I suggest that we can make a new thread about the cross or Christ Second Advent, because I think this topic is not belong in this present thread. If it is still Ok for you.

I pray & hope that this will not be our last communication or Bible studying.
God Bless You & your family:)

alexb

03-27-2006, 08:13 AM

What I want is to make a Bible study
Kung talagang Bible study nga dapat paniniwalaan natin ang sinasabi nito. Naipakita ko na sayo ang sinabi nito re spirit but you seem to refuse to believe. Pag sinabing Bible study, dapat ito ang pamantayan o standard ng ibang libro, ngunit napapansin ko sa iyo, mas naniniwala ka pa sa secular books kesa sa Bible. The Bible should judge these other books kung nagsasalita sila according to the truth of the Bible, ang nangyayari, dina-judge ang Bible according to these books, at kapag salungat sa mga books na ito ang Bible, Bible pa ang mali. Mas pinaniniwalaan pa ang books na ito.

Infact Christians are divided into over 400 denomination worldwide. And the main reason can be traced to the fact that key parts of the Bible are expressed in parables & symbols
Kung kaya maraming denominations ay hindi dahil sa symbolical o literal interpretation. Ito ay dahil kay satanas, “because our God is not a God of confusion” For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. –1 Cor 14:33

We should not read the Bible as it is or literally.
Every Bible students understand na ang Bible ay mayroong ‘narratives’, ‘poems’, ‘songs’, at ‘prophecies’. Tama na ang prophecy, which is symbolical (like Revelation) ay di dapat basahin ng literal. Pero kung literal na gaya ng ‘narrative’ at gawing symbolical, ito ay mali. Alam mo naman siguro kung alin ang symbolical sa Bible at yung literal ang meaning. Mga catholics lang ang naniniwala na ang literal sa Bible ay symbolical.

The spiritual world is a real place.
That is contrary to Bible teaching and there is no proof in the Bible for that.

…as is the Bible not the only inspired book of God.
I see the problem is that you believe other books other than the Bible. Kung magba-Bible study tayo, Bible and Bible alone lang ang reference wala nang iba.

I’m sure you had already read some books testifying about the Spiritual World like “The world that unseen” or “Life after Death”
Mukhang mahilig ka sa “New Age” books (which is anti-Christ)

So therefore there is no resurrection of a decomposed body(only spiritual body).
Kung nasa langit na bakit ire-resurrect pa yung spirit body? See the problem? I’ve already explained this.

However, modern and more reliable research into the original Greek manuscripts cast serious doubts as to the traditional rendering of the aforementioned scripture.
Mukhang aklat ng INC yang binasa mo. Mukhang di mo tanggap ang pagka-mediator ni Cristo. Kapag may kwestion tayo sa verse, we should check the original. I’ve checked the Greek bible (merong online greek Bible if you dont have one) at nakita ko na tama naman. “…en te biblo tes zoes ton arnion esphagmenon apo kataboles kosmou” --textus receptus. biblo-book, zoe-life, arnion-lamb, esphagmenon-slain, apo-from, kataboles-foundation, kosmou-world.

I suggest that we can make a new thread about the cross or Christ Second Advent
Sorry, wag na lang, kasi we don’t see eye to eye re Bible, you believe other books are higher than the Bible. Kapag di itinuturo sa Bible, reject it.

PS – yung “white light” at yung “light at the end of the tunnel” sa mga “near death experience” ay napatunayan ng science na lack of oxygen lang ito. Sa US, may training ang mga fighter pilots na i-simulate ang high altitude condition sa isang room, doon sila ay binabawasan ng oxygen (high altitude condition) at nae-experience nila ang “hypoxia”. After training ay lahat sila ay nagsabing nakakita sila ng “white light at the end of the tunnel”. Ganun din sa mga dying patients, usually dina humihinga at kulang na ang oxygen sa brain. Now that is science.

jhunex

04-01-2006, 02:42 AM

Hi! alexb:)

Thank you once again for your respond.

I believe that the Bible is God’s word and that it is supreme over all other inspired works. I believe that it stands as an infallible object of faith. I believe that it is infallible with regard to it’s purpose, that is…“that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have live in His name”(John 20:31)
Yes, the Bible is many things, it is history, literature, poetry, songs, prophecy…some of it is symbolic, all of it is important.

Now Jesus said in John 16:12-13, “I have said this to you in figures; the hour is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of the Father”, John 16:25,“I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” and Revelation 10:11,“You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings”.
All these verses testify that in the Last Days there will come a new expression of the Truth. However, since this will be a new way, in some aspects it may not be in accordance with so called conventional doctrine or tradition. For example, Jesus spoke on the basis of the Old Testament, but at that time the people were literally bound to the Old Testament and could not understand Jesus. Jesus taught them to make themselves new to be able to receive new words, saying,“new wine must be put into fresh wineskins”(Luke 5:38).

We know that God worked through Noah and Abraham and we know well that God revealed words through Moses and Jesus. Can not the same living God, who is alive today, give a new revelation in our present day or speak to someone to convey His message to us? Do we not think, when the Lord of the Second Advent come,He will not teach us a new truth or bring to us a higher textbook that will enlighten us?
Today, what Christianity needs is not another human interpretation of the Bible, but God’s interpretation. We need to have God tell us how it should be interpreted. Then we can have the correct understanding of God’s will and be able to respond to Him according to His desire.

1John4 says “test the spirit”, if anything that denies Jesus is the Christ it is not from God.

Christ was born sinless, conceived by the works of the Holy Ghost, was the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant and Prophecy, His death at Calvary atoned for sin, His resurrection conquered death, and He will return at the end of the age to bring judgement & the Kingdom of God. And as a Christians it is our belief.
But the question is; Is it God’s original plan that Jesus to be crucified & be killed?
Inspite of the preparation that God made. He prophesied many times of the coming of the Messiah & warned the people(the chosen people) to expect his coming. God also prepared the great John the Baptist who was to testify to the Messiah for the people of Israel. Thus, the nation of Israel had been truly waiting for the Messiah.
Why did He prepared a chosen people for so long? Wasn’t it expressly to protect His Son from a disbelieving world?
However, tragically, the much-prepared chosen people failed to recognized the Messiah when he came. The Son of God was left with no other choice but to persuade the people himself that he was the Son of God, yet he was not understood, branded as blasphemous, & ultimately crucified. Even Pilate a pagan ruler knew of Jesus’ innocence, yet ironically the people who condemned Jesus were the chosen people & prepared Jewish leaders themselves.
How could this have happened?

I’m sorry too that we could not see each other in person…but who knows maybe in Pinas, baka magkita tayo doon…someday.
Syanga pala ang hometown ko is Binangonan, Rizal(porung tagalog), pero ang mga magulang ko ay from Visayas. How about you?

Actually the book that I was reading is called “Divine Principle”. You can find it on the thread that I made titled “A New Teaching” also here in Religion & Inspiration. So I’m inviting you brother or sister alexb(can I call you brother or sister) to post on that thread the next time you respond to my post. I’ll be glad if you can post there…yoroshiku onegaishimasu:)

There is a video lecture there about the fall of man, resurrection, the purpose of the messiah, preparation for the second coming & the second advent(how, when & where).
I hope you can have time to watch & study it and if you have question or clarification on every chapter I’ll be happy to know & read it…so please if you can post there I’ll be waiting for you there.

Maraming Salamat & God Bless You:)

adechan

04-01-2006, 01:17 PM

just my stand …

it’s better to have a Bible based faith
it’s better to have a Christ centered belief

it is imposibble for me to unite all kinds of religions … because in any kind of denomination the weeds and the ones that came from good seeds grows together, and it’s really hard to find the difference

though it is possible to unite all “TRUE CHRISTIAN” believers in faith and the solid rock is Christ itself … everyone lay down aside the traditions, denominations beliefs and doctrines … but simply learn the agape kind of love and PRAY in Spirit and Truth.

about the topic reincarnation:

napakaraming mga pang-unawa diyan.

pero eto lang ang masasabi ko … hindi puwedeng ipareho ang mga bible situation sa pangkaraniwang paniniwala nang reincarnation.

like the case of Elias and John the Baptist as one example.

nakasulat pa rin po sa Bibliya na pag namatay ang tao ang kanyang isipan ay magbabalik sa Panginoon, at pag ang tao ay namatay ang kasunod ay ang judgment, (here iba pa rin po ang sinasabing final judgment). so, where lies the reincarnation? just like the way what other religion believe on reincarnation

so do I believe on reincarnation? still searching for answers. at present time it is NO.

Stacie Fil

04-01-2006, 03:54 PM

Do you believe in reincarnation ? (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?p=712 62#post71262)

Sa akin lamang, parang mahirap paniwalaan na ang kaluluwa nang isang tao noon ay ipanganganak uli sa bagong laman/katawan(tao,hayop,ha laman,etc) sa kasalukuyan. Kung heto nga ang definition nang “re-incarnation”.

Maaring maniwala ako sa turo na ang kaluluwa nang taong pumanaw na (dahil spiritu at wala ngang sariling katawan) ay maaaring bumalik at impluwensyahan lamang( kung sakali) ang tao/hayop/bagay na maipaabot/magparamdam/tulungan kaya ang kanyang mga mahal sa buhay.

I think spirit can transcend to any matter or elemental form, but not to be re-born physically or claim for its own, a new vessel. If that is the case, in practical sense, hindi dapat dumami ang human population in thousand fold as compared from the beginning of time. Dapat pa nga eh lumiit dahil mas marami ang mata-transform sa lower physical form.

I love to eat, so it would be hard to think that the beef/pork/fish/fruits/veg. Im taking could be someone of a far/close relative to me. Butchers,cooks, etc. will then be called criminals for that matter.

Nature or creation is constantly growing, evolving to a higher form. Reincarnation would be oppose to that nature, for it accept the possibility of coming first as human ang later coming back to be a cow, dogs, insect or any other lower form. Ayokong maging ipis,kuto surot o lamok. Kayo ba?

Siguro or baka sakali lang. Yung mga napapansin natin na bubuyog, paru-paro, tutubi,o kalapati, etc ,eh yun lang ang quickly available sa paligid na maimpluwensyahan/magamit nang mahal nating pumanaw para makalapit at magparamdam sa atin. To give us assurance na malapit lang sila or di mawawala. Ang mabubulok/ma-aabo ay yung katawan lamang. Also help as visual matter to divert some attention and help with the healing of pain in the process.

As for my case, they were a reminder that my deceased love one’s are always near and even alive inside my heart. Untill now, when dealing with things specially involving family matters, I always first ask my heart, contemplate on what my father would think/say or do, before arriving into a decision.

Lets stick to the topic…

docomo

04-10-2006, 01:23 PM

But do you believe that there is a reincarnation ?

I don’t really believe in reincarnation and all that stuff, but it seems like we should have a second chance at life. To start over, knowing what we know now. We rarely ever get it right on the first try but we don’t really get that opportunity again. I would love to go back and do some of that stuff again, knowing what I know now. It’s not about regret. It’s more about knowing what to expect so you can go back and focus on what was important. There have been a lot of important pieces of my life that I wish I had paid more attention to at the time… oh well …it’s just me :slight_smile:

Stacie Fil

04-10-2006, 08:40 PM

I don’t really believe in reincarnation and all that stuff, but it seems like we should have a second chance at life. To start over, knowing what we know now. We rarely ever get it right on the first try but we don’t really get that opportunity again. I would love to go back and do some of that stuff again, knowing what I know now. It’s not about regret. It’s more about knowing what to expect so you can go back and focus on what was important. There have been a lot of important pieces of my life that I wish I had paid more attention to at the time… oh well …it’s just me :slight_smile:

Hey brod,

He,he,he:D , feeling ko, reding-ready at in na in ka na sa observation sa Holy Week kahit naririto tayo sa Japan. Galing mo talaga brod. laging at the right mode at in line ka palagi.

In some point ganoon talaga siguro kaya exciting ang life. We really have to give our best shot . Pero totoo na sana nga eh alam natin, meaning 100% efficient ang function nang mind and the rest of our body/senses. We are often at lost and its nice, if ever, we could do all things right so we won’t bargain anymore when we reach the pearly gates…:slight_smile:

geminigirl

04-12-2006, 05:39 PM

Very timely ang topic na ito for the Holy Week. May i ask if “reincarnation” has something to do with a religious belief? Masyadong malalim ang pinag-uusapan dito. Religion is something very complicated. Nations fight because of Religion. I am a Catholic, though. But sometimes I try to understand what other Religions say or preach. Can someone enlighten me on this?

I am not a religious person. But I go to church, hear the word of God, and try to instill in others the word of God. Maybe I still have to find evidences on reincarnation. Siguro some people could have the same traits with one who has perished. or others say you may be reincarnated in an animal form? Can you call it reincarnation? I still need facts. Maybe is a big word though.

HAVE A BLESSED WEEK!

jhunex

04-15-2006, 09:50 PM

The theory of reincarnation is incorrect. God created each of us to have only one physical body and one spiritual body. When our physical body dies our spiritual body goes to the spirit world. Our spirit man cannot go into a mother’s womb again and take on a new physical body.

The theory of reincarnation came about of spirit men returning to earth to world with people on earth. Because no one has reached perfection on earth, spirit men need to come down to earth and cooperate with people. A spirit man can get vitality elements for his growth from the physical body of the person in whom he or she is working with.

In some cases spirit men so dominate people on earth that they tell the experiences the spirit man had while he lived on earth. When outsiders look at this it appears to be the reincarnation of a passed away spirit man. Memories that some people believe they have of earlier lives they led when they were a man or woman living in the past are really those spirit sharing their lives with the actual person on earth. It is so real because it is the actual lives of another person or persons. In certain people spirits return to help transfer their mission to another. Elijah did that with John the Baptist although John didn’t know it. Some people interpret the ‘Bible’ by saying that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. John and Elijah are two seperate people.

Child prodigies are explained by understanding that spirit men are helping. It is not reincarnation. This also explained speaking in tongues, psychic, healing, spiritual possession, multiple personality and some insanities.
Christianity calls the belief that the spirits of those who have died can make contact with the living on earth–Spiritualism or spiritism. Many Christians interpret the ‘Bible’ as saying that the dead “sleep” in their graves until a future resurrection takes place and their bodies will rise from the dead with a new body. All phenomenon such as “ghosts”, seances, vision, etc. are only angels and other spirit men. But the ‘Bible’ clearly says that the dead are not asleep and can communicate with those on earth. First Samuel 28 tells of an ancient “seance”. King Saul of Israel wanted to know about a battle with the Philistines he was about to have. In First Samuel 28:7 he orders his servants to find a medium,“Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her.” They found the woman at Endor. Saul disguised himself and went to her at night and said,“I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up whom I shall name unto thee”(verse 8). The medium asked who she should bring up. Saul said: “Bring me up Samuel”(verse 11) and she did. Samuel prophesied that Saul would be defeated. Christianity is wrong in saying this was just an angel. The clearest instance of communication with those who had died is Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah at the Mount of Transfiguration.

Each of us are influenced by people in the spirit world. Good spirits as well as evil spirits are constantly whispering in our ears. Satan himself will often work with key people to disrupt God’s effort to unify mankind. We read that “Satan entered into Judas”(Luke 22:3) and after Satan was through with him and left him then Judas realized what he had done. He took the 30 pieces of silver back and hung himself for betraying Jesus.
This world is a battleground between the forces of God and Satan, between good and evil. Satan has won most of the battles, but God will eventually win the war.:slight_smile:

pc2005it

05-01-2006, 11:16 AM

Very timely ang topic na ito for the Holy Week. May i ask if “reincarnation” has something to do with a religious belief? Masyadong malalim ang pinag-uusapan dito. Religion is something very complicated. Nations fight because of Religion. I am a Catholic, though. But sometimes I try to understand what other Religions say or preach. Can someone enlighten me on this?

I am not a religious person. But I go to church, hear the word of God, and try to instill in others the word of God. Maybe I still have to find evidences on reincarnation. Siguro some people could have the same traits with one who has perished. or others say you may be reincarnated in an animal form? Can you call it reincarnation? I still need facts. Maybe is a big word though.

HAVE A BLESSED WEEK!

Narito ang link tungkol sa reincarnation. Nakuha ko sa google search. Unti-unti ko lang muna syang binabasa kasi medyo hirap din akong umintindi ng Ingles. Baka kapag maintindihan mo e baka puede mong ishare sa Tagalog. Sa palagay ko, ito ang napakagandang explanation na nakita ko sa internet. Pinaliwanag muna kung saan nangaling ang reincarnation theory at sa bandang huli e merong explanation ng theory inline sa Bibliya. Subukan mong basahin, kaya lang medyo mahaba. Nasa unang topic pa lang ako.

http://www.comparativerelig ion.com/reincarnation.html

mOtt_erU

09-06-2006, 05:53 PM

In a way naniniwala ako sa Reincarnation.
Though I find it hard to Elaborate:O

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