Filipina + 3 children murder-suicide in Tokyo

maribog

10-07-2005, 04:35 PM

nabasa ko lang sa inq7.net kanina. Grabe nangyari dito…kawawa mga bata…baka kakilala nyo sila…

eto yung link…

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=52596

eto mas may konting info galign sa japan today:

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=351452

docomo

10-07-2005, 04:47 PM

This is a sad news if this were true … :open_mouth:

Dax

10-07-2005, 04:49 PM

This is very sad news. :ohlord:
Sana may mga kaibigan na nakatulong sa kanya. :frowning:

summer

10-07-2005, 04:54 PM

So sad. Pero nainis lang ako nung nabasa ko yung comments sa JT (isinulat ng certain Truth1):

“Filipina women are not weak women, the Phillipines is very dirty and poor place, those people are use to surviving without nothing, eating from trash cans and piles of rubbish.” (unedited)

ichimar

10-07-2005, 04:54 PM

nakakaawa at nakakalungkot,sana may mga kapwa tayo filipino na makatulong sa kanila.

maribog

10-07-2005, 05:04 PM

So sad. Pero nainis lang ako nung nabasa ko yung comments sa JT (isinulat ng certain Truth1):

“Filipina women are not weak women, the Phillipines is very dirty and poor place, those people are use to surviving without nothing, eating from trash cans and piles of rubbish.” (unedited)

out of topic lang:
madalas pag nakakabasa ako ng comments dun ng mga bakagaijin , ganun ang sinasabi nila about the phils… either gagawin daw lahat sa pera, country of prostitutes, etc, etc…tsk,tsk ang baba ng tingin…:frowning:

DaiRyouKoJin

10-07-2005, 05:41 PM

hmm…may 9-month old baby na pinatay din? bka post-partum depression ang cause nito … kasi bagong kapapanganak ang isang babae, very prone sya sa ganitong psychological state kaya 100% dapat ang support ng family . Actually maraming ganitong case sa pinas. lalo na yung mga nakatira sa squaatters area…Si brooke shields ganito din ata yung case, naagapan lang kagad…

isa ito sa mga dis advantage kapag malayo ka talaga sa family mo…kakalungkot talaga.:frowning: :frowning: sana nag member na lang sya d2 sa forum naten para hindi sya nakakaisip gumawa ng hindi magagandang bagay…madadagdagan pa circle of friends nya.

Dax

10-07-2005, 05:55 PM

hmm…may 9-month old baby na pinatay din? bka post-partum depression ang cause nito .
Siguro post-partum depression nga.
Pero common dito sa Japan ang tinatawag na “shinjuu” (suicide pact) at “muri shinjuu” (murder suicide).
Maraming cases ng ganito na baon sa utang ang mga magulang at kahit na anong gawin nila ay hindi talaga makabayad. Kung may mga anak sila ay mas malala kasi isasama (papatayin) muna nila ang mga ito bago sila magpapakamatay. Para sa mga taong gumagawa nito, mas nakakaawa kung iiwan ang mga bata na walang mag-aalaga. In many cases, nagsu-survive ang magulang sa suicide attempt, kaya yung mga bata lang ang patay. Really sad, but you hear about this quite a lot. :frowning:
Sa case na ito though, Pinay ang namatay. Nagpakamatay or pinatay hindi natin alam.

fremsite

10-07-2005, 06:02 PM

nabasa ko lang sa inq7.net kanina. Grabe nangyari dito…kawawa mga bata…baka kakilala nyo sila…

eto yung link…

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=52596

eto mas may konting info galign sa japan today:

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=351452

just watched this news at 6 pm … so sad :frowning: … nakaka-iyak naman :frowning: :frowning:

DaiRyouKoJin

10-07-2005, 06:05 PM

oo nga…alam mo may nabasa rin ako b4 na magazine, sabi nila highest suicidal rate daw in the whole world is japan…pero matagal ko na nabasa yun siguro mga 2-3 yrs ago pa. ewan ko lang ngayon…sana naman nag improve na kasi dami na rin foreigners na naninirahan dito, siguro naman kahit panu naiimpluwensyahan na rin sila :slight_smile:

Dax

10-07-2005, 06:19 PM

Di ko sigurado kung pinakamarami in terms of total in a certain year. Pero in terms of % per unit population ay mataas din pero hindi pinaka.

Ayon sa World Health Organization:
http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/charts/en/index.html

May PDF file dyan (http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/en/Figures_web0604_tabl e.pdf), nakalagay dyan na may 80.7 male suicide deaths noong 2002 sa Lithuania at 16.8 females noong 1991 sa Sri Lanka per 100,000 population (worst cases).

Sa Japan daw ay 35.2 at 13.4 for males and females respectively noong 2000. Sa Pinas 2.5 at 1.7 noong 1993.

Kailangan siguro ng Suicide Hotlines (meron ba dito? sa Pinas?) kasi maraming Japanese na hindi open sa mga kaibigan/kamaganak pagdating sa personal/family problems. They tend to keep it to themselves.

DaiRyouKoJin

10-07-2005, 06:28 PM

wow galing mo mag research.

sadyang iba talaga ang kultura d2. sa aten ang alam ko may hotline din ata…kaso para sa mga teenage-preganacy ata…dial-a-friend ba yun?

puting tainga

10-07-2005, 06:32 PM

Sad, and it was wrong and it was sin.

By the way, to those who suspect the husband:
(There are some around me, and also I read some comments accusing the husband in other web pages.)

The Japanese police always suspects the person who reported it first.
As the police released to the press that it was a suicide+murder, his alibi must have been established. (Alibi means it was impossible for him to be there when they died.)
(The time of the death can be calculated by the stiffness of the body or amount of blood in accordance with the depth of the wound.)
Most probably alibi of former husband and persons who lent money to her were established, too.
Finger prints on the knife must have been that of the wife.
Blood type must have matched with the blood on the knife and the victims.

That’s how thorough and methodical the Japanese police is.

adechan

10-07-2005, 06:32 PM

so sad to hear this … just came back home and didn’t able to watch the news.

ang makakagawa lang nang ganyang suicide-murder ay nasa matinding depression level … tama kayo …

pero on the other side talaga nga bang suicide ano? parang kailangan pa nang mga valid informations and evidences, progressing kaya ang investigation?

Raiden

10-07-2005, 06:57 PM

Bakit pati mga inosenteng bata dinamay? Kung murder man o suicide, hindi na dapat idinamay ang mga bata. One way or another, magbabayad ang may sala. :mad:

puting tainga

10-08-2005, 11:43 AM

I searched on the net, and Mainichi Shimbun article(Japanese) had more details than the others.

Maybe a lot of people suspected the husband at first, that’s why such details are released.

After reading this, those people must have regretted having suspected an innocent man.

Ayon sa Mainichi Shimbun:
When the husband returned, the door was locked from inside, and he called the police from a public phone near to his home. (5th floor of Misato Danchi)
All the widows were locked, too.

The cause of death was loss of blood, and a few hours had passed when the husband returned.

There was a sheet of calendar on the table, written on the back of it in Tagalog in her handwriting was " I will bring my children so they won’t cry." (Exact wording of Tagalog was not available.)

Also this wife had done attempted suicide twice last month.

reon

10-08-2005, 11:57 AM

“Filipina women are not weak women, the Phillipines is very dirty and poor place, those people are use to surviving without nothing, eating from trash cans and piles of rubbish.” (unedited)malalaman mo kaagad na uneducated ang nagsulat nito. marami sanang english news sa JT pero maraming mga comments na ganito. kinukunsinti naman ng admin ng JT, siguro gusto nila ng controversy para maraming mag-access ng site nila.

honey

10-08-2005, 02:31 PM

:frowning: nakakalungkot.

NemoySpruce

10-08-2005, 03:19 PM

Ayon sa Mainichi Shimbun:
When the husband returned, the door was locked from inside, and he called the police from a public phone near to his home. (5th floor of Misato Danchi)
All the widows were locked, too.

The cause of death was loss of blood, and a few hours had passed when the husband returned.

There was a sheet of calendar on the table, written on the back of it in Tagalog in her handwriting was " I will bring my children so they won’t cry." (Exact wording of Tagalog was not available.)

Also this wife had done attempted suicide twice last month.

I think questionable pa din tong facts na to, just because the doors and windows were locked doesnt mean that it was impossible for someone else to have been there. Or baka nasobrahan lang ako ng kapapanood ng CSI. Its really very hard for me to believe that a sane Filipina would do something like this. And if she was in a depressed state, it should have been obvious from her behaivior, its strange that she was left alone with the children. I wonder if the same level of investigation would have been issued had it been a Japanese woman. Im still undecided about this issue, I guess I have to see more evidence before I would say that it is a murder/suicide case. Its really depressing to see these kinds of stories, kawawa nga mga bata.

puting tainga

10-09-2005, 09:19 AM

It’s really very hard for me to believe that a sane Filipina would do something like this.

Parang abogado ng asawa niya ako.:slight_smile:

She was not sane.

By the way, no sane Filipino would kill his wife and 3 children, one of whom was his own.
And then, as if in detective stories, lock the door chain from outside, and call the police?

Also, the news says there was no trace of burglary or theft in the room, which means the police released that information.
Autopsy must have denied the rape theory, narcotics theory, too.
Standard check process must have taken place, for there is no law to make it easy for foreigners.
Every evidence leads to suicide-murder case.

As someone had mentioned, perhaps she had depression after giving birth to her bunso.
It is true the husband must not have left her alone there, without proper mental care.
Yes, he should have sent her to her sister,(who is in Japan and immediately came to the Misato Danchi or to the police station. She said they had talked about the debt problem and husband-wife problems.)

Apparently, both he and the sister didn’t think her mental condtion was that serious.

Imagine this,
You come back home from work, to find the door was locked from inside.
And your wife/husband is dead and all children are dead, their blood all over the place.
Every evidence leads to suicide-murder case.

And then, a lot of people are saying you killed them all!

City_rabbit

10-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Based from what I read in your posts, mostly assumptions.
Maybe…this and that…

Instead of wasting our energies thinking on who is guilty -
why don’t we all pray for the Filipina and her three children, may their souls rest in peace.

Whatever reasons that made her commit suicide and also murder her own children (IF that is the case ) - we do not know - but for sure, she did not want to leave her kids alone - (like who would care for them when she is gone ) That is is typical for some family suicides in Japan… they worry who would care for the children- so they all leave this world…

That is so sad. Again, we do not know the full story - so we just have to take a minute and pray for them. (Right now after reading this)

And also for the poor husband (guilty or not) - he too is suffering.
May he find peace too. Whether he “pushed” her to do it or not, that is for the police to find out. (Japanese tv claims he had been unfaithful…that problem is between him and his wife - not us. )

Suicide and murder suicide - whatever, that is terrible and unthinkable for us who have family and friends, and a proper state of mind…

But what if depression hits us?
Best way, avoid being depressed… have family and friends around us always - and most of all communicate, don’t keep your problems to yourself.

Communication will help us - release all that we have in our hearts and minds…

And again, thanks to TF - and our friends in TF - we have another way to communicate…

Let us pray for them, and for all of us…

God bless us all.

docomo

10-10-2005, 12:33 AM

why don’t we all pray for the Filipina and her three children, may their souls rest in peace.

Let us pray for them, and for all of us…

God bless us all.

…very nice way of saying it… AMEN for that :slight_smile:

City_rabbit

10-10-2005, 01:20 AM

…very nice way of saying it… AMEN for that :slight_smile:
Docomo san,
Thanks - prayers move mountains.
see you around the forum.
:slight_smile:

docomo

10-10-2005, 09:09 AM

Docomo san,
Thanks - prayers move mountains.
see you around the forum.
:slight_smile:

very true :slight_smile:

Hungry eyes

10-12-2005, 09:01 PM

Today i went to philippines embassy and while im eating lunch with my friend…i met there the sister of the said suicide woman…and she is telling the story…about the doubt for the husband and the father of the killed baby…crying out there…i cant do anything just listen to her and wish for the souls of her sister…nephnew.and niece…

adechan

11-05-2005, 08:25 PM

…very nice way of saying it… AMEN for that :slight_smile:

City_rabbit, like docomo …

i agree.

Originally Posted by City_rabbit

why don’t we all pray for the Filipina and her three children, may their souls rest in peace.

Let us pray for them, and for all of us…

God bless us all.
amen for that, too

pray also sa mga ibang kababayan natin na falling unto hopeless situations … baka kapitbahay lang pala natin … let’s lend some kindness

ghostrider

11-08-2005, 07:22 PM

Please feel free to reach out and seek your help to Nihonjin also. Japan may be a very closed up society and Nihonjin may seem so cold hearted,but we do share sadness and pain inside ourselves.If anything we Nihonjin can do to help,please reachout to us. Gambarimashou!:slight_smile:

gabby

11-14-2005, 03:49 PM

I think questionable pa din tong facts na to, just because the doors and windows were locked doesnt mean that it was impossible for someone else to have been there. Or baka nasobrahan lang ako ng kapapanood ng CSI. Its really very hard for me to believe that a sane Filipina would do something like this. And if she was in a depressed state, it should have been obvious from her behaivior, its strange that she was left alone with the children. I wonder if the same level of investigation would have been issued had it been a Japanese woman. Im still undecided about this issue, I guess I have to see more evidence before I would say that it is a murder/suicide case. Its really depressing to see these kinds of stories, kawawa nga mga bata.

Possible causes:

  1. mountain of debts to pay for.

  2. Her husband is not helping her out both emotionally and financially.

  3. Her husband has neglected her by going to the OMISE most of the time. Most of GEMBA workers wind up in the Philippine pub and spend lots of money.

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