betong
08-24-2005, 01:27 PM
Please enlighten me on this one.
I have just moved to Kyoto three months ago after travelling back and forth for almost 2 years, when my girlfriend went back to her own country. Each time I came here, I would always look forward to eating here. Especially in Kyoto, the gourmet capital of Japan, known for it’s kaiseki and Kyoto vegetables. No doubt that the food here is really heavenly.
I have noticed that the Japanese are basically quite obsessed with eating (not in the American let’s-super-size-it-and-add-some-melted-cheese-on-it kind of way but in a way of really appreciating the flavor and appearance of the food, as well as how it is presented). When they travel a lot of what is described in the brochures is about the food, as in what kind of meal you will be having in a Ryokan or something. When you go through TV stations, at anytime of the day, you can see somebody eating something oishi and ofcourse shout/say OISHIIII.
I went to the the Kyoto seaside in the north just by the Japan sea for a short 2 day trip. We went to some kind of market where they serve you great seafood and at night went to this excellent sushi bar that also had this most exquisite sake. Just before dinner though, to kill time, I guess, we went to this pool/sento place. The pool was too small or too crowded for anyone to swim properly. The sento and sauna and all the other stuff were great though. But I’m more used to going to pools to actually get some exercice and swim, but I guess people just go there to relax with the fam. Anyway, this being near the sea, I had this huge urge to go see the sea, much to the surprise of my companions. So I decided with my fiancee to go see the seaside. It was horrible. First of all, there was no beach or stones or anything that was left natural on the seaside. The landscape was bounded by huge factories with their towering chimneys gurgling out something I just can’t imagine, hopefully nothing toxic. The shore was all in concrete and littered here and there with empty bottles and plastic bags and what have you. And the water was filthy. This was not Tokyo bay, mind you, this was near a fishing village. Do people have to go all the way to Okinawa to enjoy the beach when Japan is surrounded by the sea, I mean a thousand islands and I have to go to the south to enjoy the beach. Well, there were still some areas where some beach or sand or rocks were conserved but they were by the highway so there was no was to gain access and maybe it wasn’t maybe a good idea anyway to have a swim there considering that the water was so dirty and that there was a nuclear power plant just nearby. No wonder our other companions didn’t want to come with us for our stroll to the seaside.
We went to this place on top of a hill. To go up you can ride on a mini-train or this ski-lift chair like the ones they have in Europe, that was really nice. But once up there was this lady with a loudspeaker blaring something to everybody, my guess is that she was shouting - welcome to this peaceful and wonderful, relaxing place on top of this gorgeous hill. Anyway the main attraction was this sand dune in the middle of the water (sea) connecting two hills where these two gods were supposed to pass through to go to the skies, the way to see it was apparently to stand atop this small platform and then bend down towards your belly till your head is in-between your legs and then look at the view. It was pretty cool. Just that it wasn’t a sand dune anymore. It has been fillied in with concrete and then stuffed with pine trees. I guess that way the gods wouldn’t have to worry about the tide or storms or tsunamis and can, at anytime, rush off back to the skies from the nearest Pachinko to watch their favorite oishimono program.
Well, thank goodness the food was great. I think I’ll go to Thailand in October to get some beach and apparently a 5 day trip to Bankok with a nice hotel included plus breakfast and dinner is around 50,000 yen. I’m sure I won’t be having kaiseki though and any good sushi or Kyoto vegetables though…
Teddy
08-24-2005, 03:27 PM
You’re lucky… I’m not “old” enough to appreciate “kyo-kaiseki ryouri” yet(no offense:p ), I’d rather go for hamburg steak, ramen, curry rice, tonkatsu…etc, those high calorie stuff:D I’ve never had a chance to taste “Kaiseki ryouri” because it’s quite expensive:(
Teddy
08-24-2005, 03:31 PM
I’m starting to crave for Thai food… Nakakainggit naman!!! Anyways, have a safe trip!!!
betong
08-24-2005, 03:35 PM
Hi Teddy san. I am not that old at all…
I grew up with Duran-Duran, Tears for Fears, the Smiths, the Dawn…
And the kaiseki ryouri, yes it is expensive. Buti na lang hindi ako ang nagbayad:D .
betong
08-24-2005, 03:41 PM
I’m starting to crave for Thai food… Nakakainggit naman!!! Anyways, have a safe trip!!!
Well, we’re still planning it pa lang naman. Pero thanks anyway. Baka gusto mo ng pasalubong.
Teddy
08-24-2005, 03:45 PM
Betong-san, joke lang po tungkol sa edad:D Baka halos mag kasing edad tayo eh… yung nasa generation na nag-enjoy ng 80’s na British/American pops:cool:
Oo nga. Dapat may manlilibre kayo pag mag-kaiseki:)
“miyage-banashi”(kwento ng trip) matte-masu yo;)
betong
08-25-2005, 12:36 PM
Hello again people. I just noticed that somehow this thread has become an ode to the 80’s. I love the 80’s, being from generation -X and all but we have gone far off from the message of
my original thread. But if nobody’s interested in talking about trips in Japan to the sea, food and all the other stuff in the thread, well, what can I do…
Kaya join na lang ako, let’s all have a good time.
hotcake
08-25-2005, 12:41 PM
Hello Betong, naunahan mo ako ng sasabihin. 
Nakakatuwa naman itong thread na ito, nangsimulan ko siyang basahin ay bigla akong nagutom then habang binabasa ko ang ibang reply ay natawa nalang ako kasi nauwi sa mga sikat na group singers. 
Pero happy to know that parang di pala nagkakalayo ang mga age natin dito sa timog.
betong
08-25-2005, 12:59 PM
Hi hotcake. Pati yata nga ang pangalan mo nakakagutom ha.:o
Anong klaseng hotcake ba yan?
hotcake
08-25-2005, 01:05 PM
Hi hotcake. Pati yata nga ang pangalan mo nakakagutom ha.:o
Anong klaseng hotcake ba yan?hahahaha:biglaug h: pinatatawa mo naman ako betong, plain hotcake lang naman. Alam mo ba iyong hotcake na tinitinda sa palengke sa pilipinas na nilalagyan ng margarin at asukal sa ibabaw. wala na siguro iyon ngayon kasi noon pa iyon atsaka di mo siguro alam iyon kasi baka sa palengke doon sa lugar lang namin meron noon. iyon ang klase ng hotcake ng name ko. LOL.
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 01:08 PM
Hi hotcake. Pati yata nga ang pangalan mo nakakagutom ha.:o
Anong klaseng hotcake ba yan?
betong, didn’t you have enough kaiseki ryouri (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tsubakino.com/image/kaiseki/ryouri2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tsubakino.com/kaiseki.htm&h=240&w=210&sz=17&tbnid=Rzg21-SwPi8J:&tbnh=104&tbnw=91&hl=en&start=12&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkaiseki %2Bryouri%26svnum%3D 10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2 005-06,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN) ?
http://tsubakino.com/image/kaiseki/ryouri2.jpg
gutom ka na naman?!
betong
08-25-2005, 01:20 PM
Stanfordmed. Always hungry always eating that’s why I try to do as much sports as I can. But not easy to find the facilities. But this weekend I’ll be playing 4 hours (whew…) of tennis in Osaka. Hopefully I’ll survive that.
By the way, if you’re not having the sashimi, pwede bang sa akin na lang yan.:whistle:
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 01:32 PM
By the way, if you’re not having the sashimi, pwede bang sa akin na lang yan.:whistle:
Get your own sashimi!
Biro lang - o sige, hati tayo (hating kapatid )
I’ll take the o-toro, you can have the chu-toro. 
goldhorse
08-25-2005, 01:47 PM
hahahaha:biglaugh: pinatatawa mo naman ako betong, plain hotcake lang naman. Alam mo ba iyong hotcake na tinitinda sa palengke sa pilipinas na nilalagyan ng margarin at asukal sa ibabaw. wala na siguro iyon ngayon kasi noon pa iyon atsaka di mo siguro alam iyon kasi baka sa palengke doon sa lugar lang namin meron noon. iyon ang klase ng hotcake ng name ko. LOL.
Ay meron nagtitinda niyan sa harap ng iskwela ko dati. Gustong gusto namin yan dahil sa asukal. Madaling source of energy para sa mga actvie na kids. (Although I didn’t know it at that time)
BTW, nalito ako sa inyong dalawa ni maple, dahil magkamaganak ata ang avatar ninyo (siya naman puti) at pareho kayong masarap.
hotcake
08-25-2005, 02:08 PM
Ay meron nagtitinda niyan sa harap ng iskwela ko dati. Gustong gusto namin yan dahil sa asukal. Madaling source of energy para sa mga actvie na kids. (Although I didn’t know it at that time)
BTW, nalito ako sa inyong dalawa ni maple, dahil magkamaganak ata ang avatar ninyo (siya naman puti) at pareho kayong masarap.Hello Goldhorse, alam mo bigla naman akong natawa sa reply mo pero yukata at may nakakaalam dito sa Timog ng sinasabi ko na hotcake. Diba masarap talaga, alam mo one time sinubukan ko siyang gawin dito para malasahan ng mga tsikiting ko kaso di sila nasarapan. Kahit ako para iba ang lasa, iba talaga kapag gawa sa pinas or sa labas.
BTW, sorry kung nalilito ka sa amin ni maple. she’s the one who invited me to join. Then during that time wala akong maisip na name, so since her name is maple sabi ko hotcake nalang ako.
goldhorse
08-25-2005, 03:56 PM
Hello Goldhorse, alam mo bigla naman akong natawa sa reply mo pero yukata at may nakakaalam dito sa Timog ng sinasabi ko na hotcake. Diba masarap talaga, alam mo one time sinubukan ko siyang gawin dito para malasahan ng mga tsikiting ko kaso di sila nasarapan. Kahit ako para iba ang lasa, iba talaga kapag gawa sa pinas or sa labas.
Nasa butter ata na ginagamit kaya iba ang lasa. Hindi ko matandaan kung anong brand iyon. Pero nakakatawa naman, nagumpisa tayo sa pagkaing pangmayaman at ngayon pagkain pang madlang people na tayo.
BTW, sorry kung nalilito ka sa amin ni maple. she’s the one who invited me to join. Then during that time wala akong maisip na name, so since her name is maple sabi ko hotcake nalang ako.
Naru hodo. Kaya naman pala.
yosakoi-soran
08-25-2005, 04:00 PM
buti goldhorse na naitanong mo kay hotcake ang tungkol sa avatar ni maple, akala ko rin ay iisa ang may ari nung avatar, because almost the same, friend pala kayo ni maple. hotcake? one time na sinabi mong nag-palit ka… dati angel…yung bang kay maple ay naninigarilyo? may usok kasi???
maple… are you there?
maple
08-25-2005, 04:15 PM
buti goldhorse na naitanong mo kay hotcake ang tungkol sa avatar ni maple, akala ko rin ay iisa ang may ari nung avatar, because almost the same, friend pala kayo ni maple. hotcake? one time na sinabi mong nag-palit ka… dati angel…yung bang kay maple ay naninigarilyo? may usok kasi???
maple… are you there?
Am here Yosakoi-soran, smoking my brains out:D Welcome to TF nga pala!
It`s past 4PM, hindi pa ako nagla-lunch, talagang lalo akong ginu-gutom dito sa thread na ito!!
Mukhang hinahabol ng kabayo ni Goldhorse ang ninjin mo!
Yoroshiku ne,
Maple
yosakoi-soran
08-25-2005, 04:23 PM
Hi maple…nice knowing you…naninigarily o talaga siya ano??? ang kyut talaga ng avatar mo…
it’s 4:21pm, tapos ka na bang mag-lunch…don’t tell me na kumain ka ng hotcake ngayon…ha…ha…
hello hotcake san? ingat kayo pareho…kailanga n ko ng tumakbo, hina-hunting ako ni goldhorse,
tarinai iyong damo sa kanya…goldhorse, handiyan ka pa?
maple
08-25-2005, 04:27 PM
Yosakoi chan, eto, isang “baisen kare donut” lang ang kinain ko!
goldhorse
08-25-2005, 04:27 PM
Hi maple…nice knowing you…naninigarily o talaga siya ano??? ang kyut talaga ng avatar mo…
it’s 4:21pm, tapos ka na bang mag-lunch…don’t tell me na kumain ka ng hotcake ngayon…ha…ha…
hello hotcake san? ingat kayo pareho…kailanga n ko ng tumakbo, hina-hunting ako ni goldhorse,
tarinai iyong damo sa kanya…goldhorse, handiyan ka pa?
Hahaha, talagang dapat ibaba mo iyang sunglass mo at baka di mo ako makitang dumarating!
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 04:36 PM
Hahaha, talagang dapat ibaba mo iyang sunglass mo at baka di mo ako makitang dumarating!
Watch out yosakoi-soran! :eek: You might get trampled by goldhorse - you’ll end up as carrot juice! :biglaugh:
http://www.angelfire.com/country/fauziaspakistan/carrotjuice2.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.angelfire.com/country/fauziaspakistan/carrotjuice2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.angelfire.com/country/fauziaspakistan/carrotjuice.html&h=369&w=260&sz=11&tbnid=8wptZhYa0dUJ:&tbnh=118&tbnw=83&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcarrot% 2Bjuice%26svnum%3D10 %26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%2 6rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:200 5-06,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN)
yosakoi-soran
08-25-2005, 04:39 PM
maple ano 'yong “baisen kare donut”? ikaw ha… diet ka siguro?
goldhorse
08-25-2005, 04:46 PM
Watch out yosakoi-soran! :eek: You might get trampled by goldhorse - you’ll end up as carrot juice! :biglaugh:
Ok yan, daming beta-carotene
kalypso
08-25-2005, 04:49 PM
maple ano 'yong “baisen kare donut”? ikaw ha… diet ka siguro?
yosakoi-soran, you should see maple sa personal. masyadong slim:).
hey maple, saan ka ba galing. i miss you in here. 
yosakoi-soran
08-25-2005, 04:50 PM
UUUWWWAAAAAA…yada. …yada…yada… see you goldhorse, before I become your refreshement juice…chao…stanf ordmed…
betong
08-25-2005, 04:53 PM
Ang sarap yata niyang pinag-uusapan ninyo ha. Hotcake, alam ko yata yang sinasabi mong cheese and margarine bread na yan. Masarap nga. Pero ang gusto ko, natawag naming tsibog noong nasa elementary pa ako ay yung manggang hilaw at bagoong.
Anyway, heto (attachment) yung site na binisita namin a few days ago. I was quite disappointed because apparently it was one of the three most beautiful sights in Japan. Pero as I said they did not keep it natural at all. They filled up the sand bridge with cement and planted some trees on it. Plus they demolished one side of the hill and created a theme park complete with a Ferris wheel. Para sakaling kung tinatamad nang tumawid ang mga bathala nila para magpunta sa Pachinko sa kabilang side ng sand (cement) bridge o walang mapanood na programa tungkol sa pagkain ay pwede silang magpunta sa amusement park. Hindi ito pwedeng makita sa attachement ko kasi sa tingin ko kuha ito galing doon sa amusement park, at hindi doon sa kabilang side na kung saan kami pumunta (the one with the cable car).:yuck:
The place was Amanohashidate in Miyazu City. Here’s a link:
maple
08-25-2005, 04:55 PM
maple ano 'yong “baisen kare donut”? ikaw ha… diet ka siguro?
naku yosakoi chan, wala sa bokabularyo ko ang mag-diet:p
hindi ko yata kayang i-explain kung ano itong baisen curry donut:o , punta ka na lang sa Mr. Donuts…o kahit saan panaderiya, tiyak meron nito:)
sorry betong san, napunta naman sa donuts itong usapan.
yoroshiku,
maple
maple
08-25-2005, 05:02 PM
yosakoi-soran, you should see maple sa personal. masyadong slim:).
hey maple, saan ka ba galing. i missed you in here.
hi kalypso, masyado kaming busy kanina sa trabaho, kaya nakalimutan kong kumain ng lunch:D
maple
kalypso
08-25-2005, 05:08 PM
ang galing ng picture mo betong! keep more coming:).
andres
08-25-2005, 05:22 PM
@betong,
sorry ha na off topic na lahat dito. mga pinoy kasi, kahit gumuguho na ang mundo, tsibog pa rin nasa utak hehehe :hihi:
pero totoo nga na madalas yung “love of nature” ika nga ng mga hapon ay parang cosmetic lamang. o kaya’y ina-apply nila sa ibang mga bagay o lugar, pero sa maraming bagay naman, hindi. madalas din akong malito sa psychology ng mga hapon. 
on the other hand, mahirap din talagang mag criticize, tignan lang natin ang record ng pilipinas!
hotcake
08-25-2005, 05:29 PM
[quote=goldhorse]Nasa butter ata na ginagamit kaya iba ang lasa. Hindi ko matandaan kung anong brand iyon. Pero nakakatawa naman, nagumpisa tayo sa pagkaing pangmayaman at ngayon pagkain pang madlang people na tayo. Oo nga ano, pero masarap diba.
Betong, paborito ko rin iyong manggang hilaw na may bagoong, diba nakatuhog siya sa stick. Meron pa ngang singkamas diba.
Maple kamusta na, sarap naman. pahingi naman ako ng isang donut kasi sawa na ako sa hotcake e.
Yosakoi-soran, ingat sa pagtakbo kasi baka maabutan ka nga ni goldhorse.
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 05:40 PM
pero totoo nga na madalas yung “love of nature” ika nga ng mga hapon ay parang cosmetic lamang. o kaya’y ina-apply nila sa ibang mga bagay o lugar, pero sa maraming bagay naman, hindi. madalas din akong malito sa psychology ng mga hapon.
Like the way they apply cosmetics in their face (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?ek200 50721a1.htm)? :rolleyes:
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 06:44 PM
Stanfordmed. Always hungry always eating that’s why I try to do as much sports as I can. But not easy to find the facilities. But this weekend I’ll be playing 4 hours (whew…) of tennis in Osaka. Hopefully I’ll survive that.
Like me, can’t find any trail to go for a jog… 
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cartoons/zg20050821.jpg
betong
08-25-2005, 10:01 PM
Yes, that’s also what I think Andres and Stan.
After walks in the Imperial Palace I just couldn’t see what was it that bothered me about it. It wasn’t like walking in parks in other countries. Then I got it. It’s the trees. They’re all miniature versions of ‘natural’ ones. What I mean by natural is the way they let trees grow in the laisser faire way in other countries.
It’s bonsai culture. In this artform man controls nature to make it look like nature according to man’s esthetic values. In the Ryoan-ji temple, there is this very famous, if not the most famous Zen garden in the world. According to an article I’ve read, the reason why the rock formation in this sea of sand is so pleasing to the eye is that subconsciously the mind sees a tree in this rock formation. Again man controls nature so that it may ressemble nature.
Ikebana. Same thing, according to an old master, the flowers should be arranged so as to remind us of nature as much as possible.
Make-up and clothes - KAWAI culture (this one we made up with my fiancee). Everything should be kawai - cute. Cute being - childish. When I was first visiting Japan, I’ve always been amazed by Japanese fashion. I thought it was interesting. But now I understand what is so interesting about it. Like the birds Darwin studied in the Galapagos, the Japanese’ sense of fashion developed on its own and women are made to look like children. I guess that’s alright because anyway the kawai way of talking is to talk in this very high squeaky way. In department stores I’ve always been amused by the way the salesladies say irashaimase. Sounds like cats meowing in chorus. A cat jazz band.
So this brings us to nature. Human control over nature. In other words, let’s pour cement all over the country. The seaside, riversides, mountain ranges, the countyside, waterfalls, marshes, bays, Kyoto, Nara, everywhere.
But don’t get me wrong. I like ikebana, the zen gardens, bonsais and of course the food (THE FOOD).:grinny: And the Japanese I know are very, very nice. Well, maybe not this one neighbour of ours…:eek:
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 11:14 PM
I like nature on its natural essential form, preferably without the behest of mankind on how it should be or should look like.
As far as cuteness; if what they mean by cuteness is having those paraphernalia hanging all over their body, bags, cell phone, gadgets or just about anything and anywhere they can hang stuff on, then I don’t really find it cute. Maybe cute to the younger ones, but impracticable with the older ones. I’m not crazy about it -Too busy! But yet, they like Zen garden and are minimalist in other ways.
Maybe that’s why they like Zen gardens, bonsai, ikebana, etc. to minimize sensory overload. :rolleyes:
City_rabbit
08-25-2005, 11:29 PM
As far as cuteness; if what they mean by cuteness is having those paraphernalia hanging all over their body, bags, cell phone, gadgets or just about anything and anywhere they can hang stuff on, then I don’t really find it cute. Maybe cute to the younger ones, but impracticable with the older ones. I’m not crazy about it -Too busy! But yet, they like Zen garden and are minimalist in other ways.
Hello Standordmed - Just like you I find all those dangling stuff “urusai” and
so “pa-cute”. Aside from that, I cannot understand- “Otona” working women who use “Hello Kitty stuff” and the likes…
I like simple things. One Japanese friend of mind told me, simple is best.
Question - what do you think of those putting on make-up in the trains?
And the way- they put them on? Me, I’m not crazy about it… it drives me crazy… .
Betong, sorry your original thread is going to different topics… about good food, yes - the Japanese have good food… I was lucky, a friend of mine treated me to the real sukiyaki at one of those places where many politicians go after work…I forgot the Japanese word for that place, anyway, it is it Akasaka…it was super delicious- the meat just melted in our mouths…you could cut it with your chopsticks…and everything was cooked right before our eyes… it was a wonderful and tummy-filling experience.
betong
08-25-2005, 11:38 PM
Question - what do you think of those putting on make-up in the trains?
And the way- they put them on? Me, I’m not crazy about it… it drives me crazy… .
What I think is. At least they don’t get bored on those long trips to work.
stanfordmed
08-25-2005, 11:45 PM
Hello Standordmed - Just like you I find all those dangling stuff “urusai” and
so “pa-cute”. Aside from that, I cannot understand- “Otona” working women who use “Hello Kitty stuff” and the likes…
I like simple things. One Japanese friend of mind told me, simple is best.
Question - what do you think of those putting on make-up in the trains?
And the way- they put them on? Me, I’m not crazy about it… it drives me crazy… .
Yeah, what’s up with that! Girls always popping out their compact mirror to check and do or re-do their makeup. They do their make up or touch-up while waiting for elevator, train and even at the sushi bar! Are they so obsessed or just plain conceited (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?ek200 50721a1.htm)?
City_rabbit
08-26-2005, 03:02 AM
I do not know the answer to your question Standfordmed…
Maybe not conceited though - I have to ask them on of these days…
One time I was so amazed. First this simple lady came in the train, sat down and started her routine complete with foundation and mascara - by the time she left the train, voila… she looked completely different… I just don’t know how they can do it…back at home we were taught at school that there are things that you should only do at your own privacy and one was putting on make-up.
Recently, there was this young lady who walked into the room and said “atsui” and she opened her bag, and took out her spray deodorant and started spraying herself, under her blouse, her arms, her back… as if she were spraying perfume… I think they do not know the difference between both.
They really amaze me, these Japanese women. (Don’t get me wrong though, I have Japanese women friends… I choose though…) : )
I think I should start a new thread…about Japanese women’s fashion…and other stuff… : )
Teddy
08-26-2005, 09:50 AM
hahahaha:biglaugh: pinatatawa mo naman ako betong, plain hotcake lang naman. Alam mo ba iyong hotcake na tinitinda sa palengke sa pilipinas na nilalagyan ng margarin at asukal sa ibabaw. wala na siguro iyon ngayon kasi noon pa iyon atsaka di mo siguro alam iyon kasi baka sa palengke doon sa lugar lang namin meron noon. iyon ang klase ng hotcake ng name ko. LOL.
Hi, hotcake! Gusto ko tuloy subukan yung sinabi mong klaseng hotcake:) Hindi naman ako nakakita niyan noon. Speaking of hotcake, yung Pancake House restaurant ngayon in Pinas, di ba dati(early 90’s nung nandun ako bilang student) yung restaurant na nagseserve lang ng pancakes kasamang maraming variety ng syrup nasa mesa tulad ng peach syrup, blueberry syrup, banana syrup at syempre pati na rin ordinaryong maple syrup na sa inyo na lang ang choice ng syrup? kung tama ang pagkaalala ko… Ngayon, nagseserve sila ng chicken, fish, spagetti, atbp. I just wonder kung pareho ba sila…
chepot
08-26-2005, 10:34 AM
speaking of hotcakes, maybe, yung tinitinda sa palengke eh star margarine with sugar ang nakapahid dun kaya iba ang lasa…yung sa Pancake House, fastfood chain kaya baka butter ang ginagamit nila…and yung sa Pancake house, hotcake mix na siguro while the other one naman eh plain flour sya…miss ko na rin yung tinda sa palengke…parang bumabalik yung feeling ko nung high school …
Yung Pancake house, i remember mga 80’s (when i was still an OL dun sa one of the office sa may ayala ave. )meron sa makati quad park…and one at ali mall cubao…i used to eat tacos doon…meron pa kaya silang tacos til now?
City_rabbit
08-26-2005, 08:19 PM
For those of you who love pancakes… maybe this will answer your questions, hope this link works… http://www.pancakehouse.com .ph/
You will be surprise how big they have grown.
andres
08-26-2005, 10:31 PM
I don’t think japanese women are conceited, actually quite the opposite… most of them are very very insecure about their looks… hence the pressure to look their best at all times. It is very competitive. Of course, the cosmetics industry is making a killing off of this.
But pity the poor japanese woman – constantly being held up to impossible standards of beauty!
Susmaryosep, nakita nyo na ba si Hamasaki Ayumi?
Ano kamo, hindi pa?
Eto, “before” and “after” pics ni Ayumi-chan:
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Tungkol naman sa zen…
Sa aking pagkaintindi – it seems to me that the typical japanese person is usually far removed from zen in daily life. Zen is something that the weird priests do high up in the mountains.
It’s usually wide-eyed westerners who are so fixated on “zen” and so tend to see it in everything japanese…
I dunno, I could also be totally wrong…
Tungkol naman sa pancake house…
Pancake House??!? Baket ngayon ko lang yata narinig yang pancake haus na yan??? Masarap ba yan?
stanfordmed
08-26-2005, 10:53 PM
I don’t think japanese women are conceited, actually quite the opposite… most of them are very very insecure about their looks… hence the pressure to look their best at all times. It is very competitive. Of course, the cosmetics industry is making a killing off of this.
But pity the poor japanese woman – constantly being held up to impossible standards of beauty!
Susmaryosep, nakita nyo na ba si Hamasaki Ayumi?
Ano kamo, hindi pa?
Eto, “before” and “after” pics ni Ayumi-chan:
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Whoa?! A la Michael Jackson :yikes: I prefer the ‘before’ than after. True, true, they’re the reason that cosmetics are so expensive and never go on sale. But it’s not only cosmetics; just about anything for women are expensive. Even dry cleaning and alterations - why do they charge more for women’s than they do men’s? Not only here in Japan, but in the U.S.
City_rabbit
08-26-2005, 11:14 PM
Susmaryosep, nakita nyo na ba si Hamasaki Ayumi?
Ano kamo, hindi pa?
Eto, “before” and “after” pics ni Ayumi-chan:
Like Stanfordmed I prefer the “before” - but am not crazy about her though…
There are so many women (all nationalities included) who look much better if they did not “alter” their original look… like those black faced-young high school girls - beneath those tanned faces are cuter faces… I even wanted to tell one teenage girl on the train at one time… : )
Pancake House - has been there for as long as I remember… yes, at first, all pancakes… then, the taste was “so-so” - but recently I heard they have more food stuff on their menu… about the taste… I have not gone to a Pancake house recently… but I think they are okay…because they have so many branches…(franchis e shops included)…
v_wrangler
08-26-2005, 11:16 PM
But pity the poor japanese woman – constantly being held up to impossible standards of beauty! Insecurities? :rolleyes:If my wife reads this she’d probably take offense!:eek: YOu have to be either a japanese, live a life like one, or live with them long enough to understand what goes in the mind. I know, I’ve been married to one for close to a decade and I’m still learning. Personally I find nothing extraordinary with looking your best. Kahit ako, ikaw, si maple o si pareng crispee. Its everywhere. There is a very strong connotation between perfection, beauty and class in this society. Look is everything. Mapa-dining, arts, crafts etc. This is evident in grooming oneself - except of course, putting on makeup publicly which even many locals despise . So yong hindi pa nakakrating sa Japan, hindi po lahat ay ganon ha. Siguro yong ilan na nakalimot sa good manners ang good public conduct…
Napansin ko lang lately sa pagbabasa dito, and I find it funny weve been sharing our slices of Japan like we know them inside out. Since maraming baguhan na nasa pilipinas ang nagbabasa ng ating mga experiences or comments about Japan and its people, siguro its about time we look back and make sure the statements doesnt sound like generalizations…so me people who do not have the luxury to experience themselves might take that as the truth. Its not always like what we think… Ewan ko si pointblank - maraming alam yan, pundasyon na ata siya ng Pinoys dito sa Japan eh…
Speaking of insecurities - isn’t it everywhere? - I still remember a few years back in PI, girls were all agog over skin bleaching and other pampaputis. So if I’d guess - that it is human nature to look ones best after all. Pinagkaiba lang eh the time and place when one does it…or when one start not minding his looks no more. yun ang nakakatakot:eek:
Ano yon pancake nga pala?
City_rabbit
08-26-2005, 11:33 PM
If my wife reads this she’d probably take offense!:eek: YOu have to be a japanese or live with them long enough to understand what goes in the mind. I know, I’ve been married to one for close to a decade and I’m still learning. Personally I find nothing extraordinary with looking your best. There is a very strong connotation between perfection, beauty and class in this society. Look is everything. Mapa-dining, arts, crafts etc. This is evident in grooming onesself - except of course, putting on makeup publicly which even many locals despise . So yong hindi pa nakakrating sa Japan, hindi po lahat ay ganon ha.
Napansin ko lang lately sa pagbabasa dito, and I find it funny weve been sharing our slices of Japan like we know them inside out. Since maraming baguhan na nasa pilipinas ang nagbabasa ng ating mga experiences or comments about Japan and its people, siguro its about time we look back and make sure the statements doesnt sound like generalizations…so me people who do not have the luxury to experience themselves might take that as the truth. Its not always like what we think… Ewan ko si pointblank - maraming alam yan, pundasyon na ata siya ng Pinoys dito sa Japan eh…
Speaking of insecurities - its everywhere - I still remember a few years back in PI, girls were all agog over skin bleaching and other pampaputis. So if I’d guess - that it is human nature to look ones best after all. Pinagkaiba lang eh the time and place when one does it…
Ano yon pancake nga pala?
Thanks v_wrangler…I agree with you there- there is nothing wrong with trying to look your best or to be beautiful… and since beauty has so many definitions is different countries and cultures… what may be beautiful for one person may not necessarily be pretty for one person…
But of course, there are certain standards -
My philosophy though - is simple is best. Do not go against mother nature… be happy with what face God has given you.
If it is a face only a mother can love, then maybe, I say maybe, that is the time to “go for the alterations if needed…” But again, maybe I would still go for the natural look -
Yes, while the white people go for the tan look, the brown or dark skinned go for whitening… I can’t get it? What is happening?
Some women just whiten their face, forget their necks… so they look so funny when they wear t-shirts… ne?
Well- to each her own way… beauty after all is not only the exterior…
By the way, say hello to your wife- yoroshiku o tsutaite kudasai.
andres
08-27-2005, 12:23 AM
Hi v_wrangler, I didn’t mean to offend anyone.
Yes you’re right, I was making a generalization, and there are a lot of exceptions.
I never meant to say that physical beauty was a bad thing, only that it shouldn’t be one’s primary goal in life.
At tama ka, bagong dating lang ako sa Japan, at hindi ko pa talaga naiintindihan ang kultura dito… kaya mga opinions ko e hilaw pa… in other words wag masyadong maniwala kay tito andres heeheeeheee
betong
08-27-2005, 09:01 AM
Yes, while the white people go for the tan look, the brown or dark skinned go for whitening… I can’t get it? What is happening?
Le malheur de l’homme vient du fait qu’il ne peut pas rester chez-soi. Read that somewhere…
Man’s doom is that he can’t stay in one place. Meaning, one is never content with what one has.
I agree with you about there being standards and norms in society, there are different societies but the world is getting small. Cheap flights, long-haul carriers, internet, CNN, MTV, hollywood, Hilton hotels… Which, if our eyes are open enough makes us to understand that there are some things that are just - as you say - standard.
But of course every culture is special and the Japanese being cut off from the world for a very long time (and my feeling is, until now) has its own ways of doing things. Banking, business, dining etiquette and so on. But as you have remarked, doing your make-up from A to Z in the train is very much so out of the ordinary.
What I have seen is a lady doing her hair in the train. She had this portable hair iron and all. I agree that to me that was very strange behaviour.:eeek:
Paul
08-28-2005, 09:59 AM
since this thread has branched into several topics, i took the liberty of splitting it into different threads…to those who want to reminisce their youth can read about the 80’s here (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?goto= newpost&t=584)…
enjoy and please try to keep on topic next time…
City_rabbit
08-28-2005, 03:41 PM
Thanks Paul. Sorry about the various topics…will try to stick to each topic next time.
betong
08-28-2005, 07:41 PM
since this thread has branched into several topics, i took the liberty of splitting it into different threads…talk about the japanese and their peculiar behavior can be found here (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?t=585 ) and those who want to reminisce their youth can read about the 80’s here (http://www.timog.com/forum/showthread.php?goto= newpost&t=584)…
enjoy and please try to keep on topic next time…
Thanks for the effort. But when you read the original thread you can see that what I was trying to talk about was how devastated the land is becoming here and so as not to make the thread too heavy or to make people think that all I do is complain about Japan and how nature is disappearing here I put something about food.
It was supposed to be ironic. People obsess about food when they’re surroundings are getting uglier and uglier. Even a sight that was supposed to be one of the three most beautiful sights in Japan has been altered forever (pouring cement over the sand bridge and constructing an amusement park on one of the hills, after blowing off a huge face of that hill). And with this theme of nature being altered others in the thread have started how the Japanese also are doing the same thing to themselves, like that famous singer completely changing her face and how some are so obsessed about changing their looks so as to fix their whole attention to it, even in trains.
I wasn’t intending on creating a thread about food but so as to accomodate the people who grasped just that part of the thread and not to offend anybody I continued on that subject.
Anyway, I’ll keep my threads less complicated next time. And by the way, bon appétit, kainan na!
Paul
08-28-2005, 09:57 PM
a ganun ba? e di ibalik sa dati…
abracadabra! bumalik ka na!
v_wrangler
08-28-2005, 11:20 PM
Bumalik na pala. ok.
Hello Kabayan Betong, Yon na nga ang napapansin ko. Halos lahat ata ng post na nabasa ko eh puro complain tungkol sa ating host. Di ko kasi alam kung gaano ka katagal nawala sa Pilipinas (sabi mo matagal ka sa Europa) para halos makalimutan mo, na mas marami tayong mapagtutuunan ng pansin - doon sa ating sariling teritoryo. (hindi ibig sabihin wala tayong karapatan dito ha)
The Japanese people and their culture has a tendency to be mysterious. The mystery will never end unless you embrace and learn to love your new found home (if you really want to be a part of it). The difficulty lies in trying to hope and change the society to conform to what we expect it to be. It might be rough sailing but its better than going against the tide. I believe life in Japan will be more enjoyable if you accept it as it is - the good ones and of course the bad ones - na alam kong mas marami din sa pilipinas.
Acceptance will go a long way - dugtong dugtong - I’m sure magdudulot iyan ng maraming biyaya sa iyong pakikisalamuho sa iyong future kamaganaks dito sa bansang Hapon.
Regards,
stanfordmed
08-29-2005, 07:53 PM
Why do Japanese women wear knee-high boots in the middle of summer?
http://www.hyperheels.co.uk/siteimages/queen34/14411/103281/f_11777.jpg
Aren’t boots for cold weather (fashion)?
v_wrangler
08-29-2005, 08:46 PM
http://heavyred.com/images/2504-M1.jpg
Have you seen amrican goths? Fashion I guess…
Paul
08-29-2005, 09:08 PM
how about miniskirts in the middle of winter? gives real meaning to the word “frigid”
http://web-japan.org/trends/fashion/images/fasa040123.jpg
stanfordmed
08-29-2005, 10:07 PM
All in the name of fashion - just can’t wait for winter to wear it at appropriate time, eh?
I wonder what they would wear when winter comes since they wear boots during summer
how about miniskirts in the middle of winter? gives real meaning to the word “frigid”
I’d rather have a cold tush than sweat bullets
betong
08-30-2005, 02:30 PM
lFrom V_Wrangler
Bumalik na pala. ok.
Hello Kabayan Betong, Yon na nga ang napapansin ko. Halos lahat ata ng post na nabasa ko eh puro complain tungkol sa ating host. Di ko kasi alam kung gaano ka katagal nawala sa Pilipinas (sabi mo matagal ka sa Europa) para halos makalimutan mo, na mas marami tayong mapagtutuunan ng pansin - doon sa ating sariling teritoryo. (hindi ibig sabihin wala tayong karapatan dito ha]
Salamat sa iyong mensahe kabayang wrangler. Ang aking mga post ay hindi complaints pero simpleng obserbasyon lamang at hindi ito laban sa ating mga ‘hosts’ kundi sa kanilang paninira ng kanilang environment.
Matagal na nga akong nawala sa Pilipinas, nakakuha ng mataas na pag-aaral sa bayang banyaga at naging kamamamayan na rin nila. Sa Pilipinas akong lumaki pero sa labas ng Pilipinas akong tumanda. Kaya ang aking point of reference ay hindi Pilipinas kundi ang bansang pinanggalingan ko at ng aking pamilya. Pero, kahit man sa Pilipinas akong nanggaling, at dahil baguhan lang ako dito, sa tingin ko ay tama lang na ma-impress ako negatively or postively sa bansang ito. Diba nang bagong dating ka rin dito ay ganito rin ang iyong naranasan? O dahil sa matagal ka na dito ay hindi mo na rin nakikita ang marahil ay mali o kakaibang nangyayari dito. Kunwari ay pinanganak ka sa isang pamilya na kung saan lahat sila ay marunong lumipad. Paglabas mo sa iyong tahanan di ka rin ba magtataka na kayo lang ang marunong lumipad at hindi lahat ng tao. O kaya’y kung may ibang taong pumasok sa iyong tahanan, di ba magtataka rin sila. Ako yoong taong nakapasok sa bahay na kung saan ang mga tao ay kakaiba kaya hindi ba tama lang na magtaka ako.
The Japanese people and their culture has a tendency to be mysterious. The mystery will never end unless you embrace and learn to love your new found home (if you really want to be a part of it). The difficulty lies in trying to hope and change the society to conform to what we expect it to be. It might be rough sailing but its better than going against the tide. I believe life in Japan will be more enjoyable if you accept it as it is - the good ones and of course the bad ones - na alam kong mas marami din sa pilipinas.
Tama ka sa sinabi mong ito. Dapat nga, kung gusto kong manirahan dito ng masaya ay dapat kong tanggapin ang mga kustoma at tradisyon pati na rin ang kaligiran dito. Tama ka rin sa iyong sinabi na hindi ko dapat i-apply ang mga norms sa ibang bansa. Pero di ba mayroong mga bagay na isunusunod sa maraming mauunlad na mga bayan na hindi ginagawa dito. Isa na nga diyan ang pagaasikaso sa kanilang kaligiran o ‘nature’. Sabi nga ng isang kaibigan kong haponesa na ang mga hapon kahit mayaman ang kanilang bansa ay hindi nila tingin na mayaman ang mga taong nakatira dito dahil maraming pera and nagagagastos ng kanilang gibyerno sa mga proyectong nakakasira ng environment na dapat ay gamitin na lang sa pg-aasikaso sa kanilang mamamayan gaya ng health care, edukasyon, welfare at retirement.
Acceptance will go a long way - dugtong dugtong - I’m sure magdudulot iyan ng maraming biyaya sa iyong pakikisalamuho sa iyong future kamaganaks dito sa bansang Hapon.
Regards,
Counsellor ka pala hindi ko alam:) . Tama ka rin diyan. At huwag kang mag-alala lahat ay ginagawa ko para maintindihan ko ang bansang ito. Nag-aaral ng kanilang wika at panay ang basa ko ng mga libro o mga articles tungkol dito.
Sa mga ibang nakapagbasa nito, matagal na kaming nag-uusap ni pareng V tungkol sa aking pakikitungo sa aking pagtitira dito kaya - just ignore this post and keep on adding on the current theme of the thread.
hotcake
08-30-2005, 02:44 PM
Why do Japanese women wear knee-high boots in the middle of summer?
http://www.hyperheels.co.uk/siteimages/queen34/14411/103281/f_11777.jpg
Aren’t boots for cold weather (fashion)?Hello stanfordmed, gusto ko lang itanong kung nakapanood ka na ba ng afternoon show ng pilipinas (Eat Bulaga)? Kasi mas appropriate duon ang tanong mo. Tanggalin mo lang iyong Japanese women sa question mo ha, kasi iyong mga dancers duon ay nagsasayaw sila wearing knee-high boots. Diba mas okashi iyon…
stanfordmed
08-30-2005, 05:39 PM
Hello stanfordmed, gusto ko lang itanong kung nakapanood ka na ba ng afternoon show ng pilipinas (Eat Bulaga)? Kasi mas appropriate duon ang tanong mo. Tanggalin mo lang iyong Japanese women sa question mo ha, kasi iyong mga dancers duon ay nagsasayaw sila wearing knee-high boots. Diba mas okashi iyon…
Unfortunately (or shall I say fortunately ), I haven’t seen or watched any show ng Pilipinas for a very long time. It’s probably okay to wear those boots on a show since may aircon naman siguro. But to be walking and wearing it in this summer heat is beyond my comprehension.
I supposed anything goes when one wants to be ‘fashionable’ in their own way, no matter what. :rolleyes:
katty0531
11-13-2005, 08:08 PM
hahahaha:biglaugh: pinatatawa mo naman ako betong, plain hotcake lang naman. Alam mo ba iyong hotcake na tinitinda sa palengke sa pilipinas na nilalagyan ng margarin at asukal sa ibabaw. wala na siguro iyon ngayon kasi noon pa iyon atsaka di mo siguro alam iyon kasi baka sa palengke doon sa lugar lang namin meron noon. iyon ang klase ng hotcake ng name ko. LOL.
hi hot,
you know thats the best hotcke in the whole wide world for me,…namulatan ko kasing hotcake yan,da best! wish ko lang makakain nyan hanggan ngayon…hindi nalilimutan…
1 peso only,…tapos parang folded paper pag serve sayo…ummm…nante nasukashii ne.
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