Are you proud being a Filipino? [1] [2]
ugnayan
03-24-2006, 01:26 AM
Something Good about Filipinos
(Article sent to me by Filipino Community on March 23, 2006)
Often we hear of negative comments about Filipinos. Now here is something positive about Filipinos…Here’s something very positive written by a foreigner named Steve Ray, about Filipinos. Steve Ray authored many best-selling books, among which are, Crossing The Tiber (his conversion story), Upon This Rock(on the papacy),and just recently John’s Gospel (a comprehensive bible study guide and commentary). Steve is also currently filming a 10-video series entitled, Footprints of God. The first two videos are out: Peter, Keeper of the Keys, and Mary, Mother of God (now available here in the Philippines).
STEVE RAY’S OPEN LETTER TO THE FILIPINO CATHOLICS:
We stepped into the church and it was old and a bit dark. Mass had just begun and we sat toward the front. We didn’t know what to expect here in Istanbul, Turkey. I guess we expected it to be a somber Mass but quiet and somber it was not-I thought I heard angels joyously singing behind me.
The voices were rich, melodic and beautiful. What I discovered as I spun around to look did not surprise me because I had seen and heard the same thing in other churches around the world. It was not a choir of angels with feathered wings and halos but a group of delightful Filipino Catholics with smiles of delight and joy on their faces as they worshiped God and sang His praises. I had seen this many times before in Rome, in Israel, in the Unite d States and other countries.
Filipinos have special traits and they are beautifully expressed as I gazed at the happy throng giving thanks to God. What are the special traits which characterize these happy people? I will share a few that I have noticed-personal observations-as I have traveled around the world, including visits to the Philippines.
FIRST, there is a sense of community, of family. These Filipino Christians did not sit apart from each other in different isles. They sat together, closely. They didn’t just sing quietly, mumbling, or simply mouthing the words. No, they raised their voices in harmony together as though they enjoyed the sense of unity and communion among them. They are family even if they are not related.
SECOND, they have an inner peace and joy which is rare in the world today. When most of the world’s citizens are worried and fretful, I have found Filipinos to have joy and peace-a deep sense of God’s love that overshadows them. They have problems too, and many in the Philippines have less material goods than others in the world, yet there is still a sense of happy trust in God and love of neighbor.
THIRD, there is a love for God and for his Son Jesus that is almost synonymous with the word Filipino. There is also something that Filipinos are famous for around the world - their love for the Blessed Mother. Among the many Filipinos I have met, the affectionate title for Mary I always hear from their lips is “Mama Mary.” For these gentle folks Mary is not just a theological idea, a historical person, or a statue in a church -Mary is the mother of their Lord and their mother as well, their “mama.”
The Philippines is a Catholic nation-the only such nation in Asia- and this wonderful country exports missionaries around the world. They are not hired to be missionaries, not official workers of the church. No, they are workers and educators, doctors, nurses and housekeepers that go to other lands and travel to the far reaches of the earth, and everywhere they go they take the joyous gospel of Jesus with them. They make a somber Mass joyful when they burst into song. They convict the pagan of sin as they always keep the love of Jesus and the Eucharist central in their lives.
My hope and prayer, while I am here in the Philippines sharing my conversion story, is that the Filipino people will continue to keep these precious qualities. I pray that they will continue loving their families, loving the Church, reading the Bible, loving Jesus.
As many other religions and sects try to persuade them to leave the Church, may God give the wisdom to defend the Catholic faith. As the world tempts them to sin and seek only money and fame and power, may God grant them the serenity to always remember that obedience to Christ and love for God is far more important than all the riches the world can offer.
May the wonderful Filipino people continue to be a light of the Gospel to the whole world!
pinkheart
03-24-2006, 09:55 AM
of course i’m proud to be a filipino… the best ang pinoy sa lahat, talagang maipagmamalaki… lalo na sa pagtatrabaho…kayod ng kayod:)
NemoySpruce
03-24-2006, 01:06 PM
Yes the Filipino has good traits… we are able to find ‘inner peace’ through religion, community, and family. We understand Catholisism more than any other race. We exemplify what it means to be ‘christian’. we are passive. we entrust our problems to God. We know that this temporal world is of secondary importance. We know, that if we love our enemies and our neighbors, all suffering is irrelevant. We will all die someday, and we know we will face God. If you know this, then dont ask why the country is in such a bad shape. You cannot truly excel in this world and be a true christian at the same time. Its an imperfect world… if you give yourself, people will take… nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
dcat
03-24-2006, 02:09 PM
If you know this, then dont ask why the country is in such a bad shape. You cannot truly excel in this world and be a true christian at the same time. Its an imperfect world… if you give yourself, people will take… nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
NemoySpruce-san, i understand where you are coming from, and i also understand your frustrations about the Philippines as I have mine as well. I hope though that you also show empathy to others here who might get hurt with your judgmental comments towards them. You should know that not everybody views the world like we view them, and they may be as sure about their opinion as we are about our own - I know a lot of Filipinos who are really proud to be Filipinos. So please, show higher understanding towards our fellow TF members who don’t view the world like you view it.
Instead, maybe you could explain to us why you believe “true Christians” cannot truly excel in this world. This is a very good starting point for a good discussions, but again we should be very careful on how we state our opinions.
Let’s all observe tolerance to each other, and comment on the topic and not on the members. Good day to everybody.
docomo
03-24-2006, 02:23 PM
I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
kung bawat tao na tinutukoy mo eh hypocrite or delusional… eh ano ka na lang?:rolleyes:
Raiden
03-24-2006, 03:00 PM
nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
So you’re a self-hating wannabe anything but Filipino type of person, huh?
Pop more skin whitening pills and dye your hair blonde, so that you may deceive others about your ethnicity.
Here’s my take on why our country is in a bad shape. It is because of self-hating people like you, who would always ask their country to give them everything, instead of doing something for their country.
yamamuru_san
03-24-2006, 03:14 PM
he he he, ngakalabasan na rin lang ng saloobin sa pagiging pinoy, eh makasabat na nga…
ano ba ang pinoy?
sabi ng titser ko kapag parents mo kapwa pinoy ikaw ay isa ring pinoy, nga ba?
simpleng sagot, pero hukayin pa natin ng malalim…
dugo lang ba ang dahilan kaya tayo tinatawag na pinoy?..
hindi natin dapat sisihin ang mga taong ikinahihiya ang pagiging pinoy, nakakahiya naman talaga, eh. pero hindi lahat…
pero anong pakialam ko kung ang presidente ko eh corrupt? kung congressman namin corrupt?, kung mayor namin eh corrupt din?.. kahit pa barangay tanod eh corrput, ala kong pakialam…
problema na yan ng mga lolo at lola ko noon pa man, nasolusyunan ba? hinde!!!
ang importante sa akin, naniniwala ako na magbabago yon, at magsisimula ang pagbabagong yon sa akin, sa atin… hindi ba?
kase pinoy ako!..
sa mga taong ikinahihiya ang pagiging pinoy…
hindi ako naniniwala sa inyo…
bakit narito kayo sa TF, eh ikinahihiya nyo pala kame?
v_wrangler
03-24-2006, 03:26 PM
kung bawat tao na tinutukoy mo eh hypocrite or delusional… eh ano ka na lang?:rolleyes:
businessman?
Seriously now - I think Nemoy accidentaly-overly-packaged-to-the-max iyong pinoy pride in a single basket. Sa aking opinyon, ito ay depende kung paano bibigyang kahulugan ang pagiging PROUD sa sariling heritage. You don’t really have to go out on the streets to proclaim your faith or own a passport to justify your being truly certified pinoy.
Like some people siguro, I’m not proud of being pinoy as well if the people asking would measure it based on the current events back in the Philippines. But - if we’re talking about TF and friends, families, school and all the memories that goes with it - then I’d say I’m proud as hell and ready to pulverize those who’d say:
- I aint really proud…
- hypocrite and delusional…
You cannot truly excel in this world and be a true christian at the same time. Its an imperfect world… if you give yourself, people will take…
Yes Nems, you can - you see, when you give, you’ll never be empty. Its like an endless jihambaiki. Gods on the back to fill you up even before you notice…
dcat
03-24-2006, 04:09 PM
Please, everyone, do not return counter personal attacks. You guys are the ones who are supposed to show greater patience. Do not go to places you do not want others to go. Instead show the right way to those who are lost.
TF administrators and moderators have frequently suggested that we address the topic not the person. Or else these could escalate again to an uncontrollable situation.
Let’s be good to each other.
docomo
03-24-2006, 06:42 PM
nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
- of course that’s the only mindset you’ll ever have, you can’t even be proud of your own race? but i guess if the country was better-off, you’d be the first to proclaim your undying pride for it. very typical of your kind.
one more thing, don’t be sorry that you can’t be proud of you’re being a filipino, the race is probably better off without you anyway.
docomo
03-24-2006, 06:53 PM
Please, everyone, do not return counter personal attacks. You guys are the ones who are supposed to show greater patience. Do not go to places you do not want others to go. Instead show the right way to those who are lost.
TF administrators and moderators have frequently suggested that we address the topic not the person. Or else these could escalate again to an uncontrollable situation.
Let’s be good to each other.
things like this happen when people are inconsiderate and spit out generalizations or very sweeping statements. you can expect there will be very negative reactions. if these people had an iota of responsibility or consideration for the other readers of the forum, i guess we won’t be having issues like this, would we?
what goes around…comes around.
NemoySpruce
03-24-2006, 06:57 PM
Im a bit puzzled by the hostility… ikinahihiya? pulvurize?? the race is better off with out you??? please explain why I have offended you? could it be I am striking a sensitive chord? could it be I am only saying something that you believe to be true but are rejecting? I have only voiced my opinion… we still value free speech…right?
JLO
03-24-2006, 07:14 PM
I am still proud to be a Filipino. Ito na ang kinalakhan ko though sometimes
may regrets kung bakit ka pinanganak na isang Pinoy dahil sa mga problems
that our country is facing right now. But if we’re going to see the whole world
we’re still lucky na hindi tayo kagaya ng mga country like Africa and other
countries na halos buto’t balat na ang mga tao dahil sa hirap ng buhay.
docomo
03-24-2006, 07:25 PM
Im a bit puzzled by the hostility…
~ really?
please explain why I have offended you?
- shouldn’t you be the one to do the explaining? you thought about and wrote the post…right?
could it be I am striking a sensitive chord?
- uhm, well from the looks of it
could it be I am only saying something that you believe to be true but are rejecting?
just because you can’t be proud of being a filipino doesn’t give you the right to think that everyone else who doesn’t think and feel like you is either a hypocrite or delusional.
I have only voiced my opinion… we still value free speech…right?
- of course, just like i voiced out mine.
so i guess that makes us even…
v_wrangler
03-24-2006, 07:50 PM
pulvurize??
Pulvoron, nems, its only pulvoron. Lets have some pulvoron:)
I think you’ve touched very sensitive combos - faith, your brand of success and pride. Regarding the latter, I think Doc nailed it where it hurts a bit, sorry :
just because you can’t be proud of being a filipino doesn’t give you the right to think that everyone else who doesn’t think and feel like you is either a hypocrite or delusional.
Regards,
NemoySpruce
03-24-2006, 08:06 PM
just because you can’t be proud of being a filipino doesn’t give you the right to think that everyone else who doesn’t think and feel like you is either a hypocrite or delusional.
Youve already made your decision without hearing my basis for stating such an argument. I may be wrong, but I thought that one of the reasons for having a forum is to see different points of view and discuss them, thereby broadening our perspective of things…
heres my explanation:
the question was and i quote:
sa nangyayaring suliranin sa bansa natin proud pa ba kayo maging filipino?
to which my reply is… no I am not. My reason being, taken as a whole, Filipinos suck. Sure, some of us excel, sure some of us are saints, heros…a lot of us are good people. But as a race, as a people… we suck. We do not even have a solid concept of freedom of speech…as your reactions prove. I am sorry to be the one to point out that the sugar coated flower beds you are all enjoying, are all growing out of dead corpses. Wake up. Grow up. look here (http://www.pcij.org/stories/2006/marlene-esperat.html) for a taste of reality…
listen to Jim Paredes podcast (http://pcij.org/blog/wp-files/podcasts/Jim.mp3)…we have similar views
docomo
03-25-2006, 12:29 AM
Youve already made your decision without hearing my basis for stating such an argument. I may be wrong, but I thought that one of the reasons for having a forum is to see different points of view and discuss them, thereby broadening our perspective of things…
- my post was reactionary, as you probably know by now. why wouldn’t one make a decision when a person reads the sentence “I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.”? aren’t you the one who first judged and decided for yourself? thinking of someone as a hypocrite or as delusional just because the person is proud of being identified as a member of a certain race isn’t exactly what we may call fair or considerate judgement…right?
We do not even have a solid concept of freedom of speech…as your reactions prove.
- oh we don’t? you just mouthed your piece and i just mouthed mine; you spoke your mind when you mentioned that a proud filipino is either a hypocrite or delusional. and that’s not freedom of speech? both of us just practiced it. and it’s still not solid enough for you?
I am sorry to be the one to point out that the sugar coated flower beds you are all enjoying, are all growing out of dead corpses. Wake up. Grow up.
- please, don’t flatter yourself. you’re not the first and you’ll certainly not gonna be the last. nothing’s sugar coated in the country called the philippines. shanties beside posh mansions…graft and corruption…kids being pimped…families barely having partaking of three square meals a day…children fishing out anything they can sell from garbage dumps and trash bins…and the list goes on and on and on.
everyone knows about it; the whole world knows about it for crying out loud! it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. you don’t have to remind the suffering masses what’s wrong with the country…they’re friggin’ living it day to day. but the thing is, they’re coping…they’re struggling…they’re holding on. now tell me, are they delusional? are they hypocrites?
look here (http://www.pcij.org/stories/2006/marlene-esperat.html) for a taste of reality…
listen to Jim Paredes podcast (http://pcij.org/blog/wp-files/podcasts/Jim.mp3)…we have similar views
i admire jim paredes for everything he has done. he’s given up a lot for what he believes in. if i may quote a paragraph from the interview…
“I have been asked if I am disgusted with the way things are here. Yes, absolutely, just like everyone else. Am I abandoning the Philippines? No. I am Filipino. One big issue that I grappled with was the possibility of having to give up my citizenship in the course of migrating. I could not picture NOT being a Filipino. I still can’t. But with the new law allowing dual citizenship in place, that has stopped being a concern. Regardless, I know from years of meeting many of our kababayans abroad that we Pinoys may leave this country and settle in other places but our Filipino-ness will never leave us. Being Filipino is, after all, in the heart.”
oh yes, you may have similar views…but at least he’s proud of being a filipino…and you’re not. and that sir, makes a very very big difference.
regards.
yamamuru_san
03-25-2006, 11:22 AM
Pulvoron, nems, its only pulvoron. Lets have some pulvoron:)
he he he… nice one sir wrangler!
NemoySpruce
03-25-2006, 11:23 AM
My point is this;
We individual Filipinos are worldclass, we have world class doctors, world class artists, world class political scientists, world class IT specialists… world class maids, world class prostitutes…you name it we got it. But put that all together, and you get Filipinos as a country. As a country, at the moment, we are not world class, we are substandard. we are at the bottom of the pile. And you are telling me that you are proud of that? come on, be serious. We have the potential to be a great nation. But we will never get there unless we stop being hypocrites and stop believing that we already are a great nation…we are not, and we do not have the right to feel proud of our country, there is a lot of work to do before we can say…i am proud to be pinoy… i am not judging anyone to be hypocrite and delusional, I am simply posting an argument. sabi nga nila…batu batu sa langit…ang tamaan ay pangit…
– now tell me, are they delusional? are they hypocrites?
Ask them if they are proud of being pinoy, and Ill tell you.
I dont see Jim Paredes saying he is proud of being a pinoy… its implied, not stated. We have to stop reading what we want to read, and stop seeing what we want to see, cut through your biases and try to see the real situation.
NemoySpruce
03-25-2006, 11:32 AM
Like some people siguro, I’m not proud of being pinoy as well if the people asking would measure it based on the current events back in the Philippines. But - if we’re talking about TF and friends, families, school and all the memories that goes with it - then I’d say I’m proud as hell and ready to pulverize those who’d say:
- I aint really proud…
- hypocrite and delusional…
thats admirable sir wrangler… so your not proud of the country as a whole, but your proud of the people that you associate with or are close with? there is another term for that you know, its called ‘seclusion’ , not very patriotic sir. actually it is one of the major causes of dis-unification in our country.
Yes Nems, you can - you see, when you give, you’ll never be empty. Its like an endless jihambaiki. Gods on the back to fill you up even before you notice…
oh how honorable… can you give me 50k pesos a month for tuition fee for some needy pinoy kids back home? ill pm you my bank account, you can furikomi to me… thanks buddy your a saint
midnight
03-25-2006, 12:02 PM
i hate to admit it that sometimes i am ashame for being a Filipino coz of the bad things that are happening to our country. But i don’t deny the fact that I am a Filipino & still fight or have a debate with someone if they are insulting our motherland & our people.
I guess I am proud, but not too proud:)
Peace Out & Chill
v_wrangler
03-25-2006, 03:57 PM
thats admirable sir wrangler… so your not proud of the country as a whole, but your proud of the people that you associate with or are close with? there is another term for that you know, its called ‘seclusion’ , not very patriotic sir. actually it is one of the major causes of dis-unification in our country.
I think you’re just nemui, nems. Sleep it out. DOn’t be overly sarcastic when people doesnt look at the world like you do. And thank you educating me about patriotism you give me goose bumps when i meet angry people like you who wants change like us but can’t keep his hose down. I despise myself for not being as intelligent as you.
oh how honorable… can you give me 50k pesos a month for tuition fee for some needy pinoy kids back home? ill pm you my bank account, you can furikomi to me… thanks buddy your a saint
I think you should go back home. Japan’s probably taking a toll on you?
IS it hard to spit intelligent remarks without being overly sarcastic and difficult? Now, I could see that you still cannot understand a thing of what people seem to be saying to you. When I talk about God filling you up - its never about money. Why can’t you think outside the box? So I guess you have to find out yourself and I am probably wasting my energies making em clear to you.
Success is not about climbing the corporate ladder or being on top giving orders. Its not about neckties and suits and business meetings. Success for families is the smile of a happy child. Success at work is how your customers or the people who work with you feels about you. Look around and ask. If they are in the affirmative then you are probably the hero. You are probably the messiah. Then you should lead the country and make ahon us sa putik. (I’ve always wanted to try sounding ala-kolehiyala my time). But, If they have nothing good or extra ordinary to say about you then you will be a failure and you have no right to call people delusional and me, unpatriotic (wow!). That’s the type of success lesson I think that would be effective, kaya ng pinoy at kaya kong ipagyabang. Ituro natin sa mga naiwan sa Pilipinas. Its a good start.
Usap tayo ulit pag kaya mo nang makipagusap ng mahinahon.
docomo
03-25-2006, 04:40 PM
. As a country, at the moment, we are not world class, we are substandard. we are at the bottom of the pile. And you are telling me that you are proud of that?
like i said it doesn’t take the mind of a genius to figure that out because the country has been this way for the past 20 something years. oh yes i’m proud! but not of the greedy politicians, not of the stupid technocrats, and most specially not of the so called filipinos who pretend to espouse the truth but are on the outside looking in. i’m proud of those who are bearing everything with a grin, slugging it out despite the odds, doing their darn best and believing that the philippines as a nation and the filipinos as a race will rise above …above the dire straits we are in.
come on, be serious. We have the potential to be a great nation. But we will never get there unless we stop being hypocrites and stop believing that we already are a great nation…we are not, and we do not have the right to feel proud of our country, there is a lot of work to do before we can say…i am proud to be pinoy
no one claims the country has achieved greatness. would you know anyone who does? because that is one insane person. the thing is, you can’t seem to be proud because of the crap we’re in right now. so you’re willing to sit it out, comfortably watching from afar until the country (or whoever is calling the shots) miraculously wakes up, cleans up it’s act and does good. and then maybe, just maybe, you’ll start thinking 'hhmmm, since the country is doing good already maybe now’s a good time to be proud of it…hooray for the philippines and the filipinos".
well sorry to burst your bubble, but you can’t be an armchair critic and feel good about it. you have got to get your hands dirty. you can’t be proud and love a person only in the good times and leave the person when the going gets rough
i am not judging anyone to be hypocrite and delusional, I am simply posting an argument.
really? but when you wrote “I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.”, that didn’t sound like an argument to me. sounded more like an insult.
Ask them if they are proud of being pinoy, and Ill tell you.
well i’m not running your errands but oh, i bet you they are, inspite of the hell they’re all going through. because if each and every other filipino is gonna think and act the way you do, well that will be the final nail in the coffin. i really hope you’re kind is just a minority
I dont see Jim Paredes saying he is proud of being a pinoy… its implied, not stated. We have to stop reading what we want to read, and stop seeing what we want to see, cut through your biases and try to see the real situation.
- when jim paredes said, “Being Filipino is, after all, in the heart”, that still didn’t sound like he was proud enough to you? well i don’t see him saying he isn’t proud either, but with that statement he made, makes me wonder what your perception of nationalism and pride are.
the problem with some filipinos is, just because they get a nibble of the good life they act as is they’re way above their fellowmen. they even seem embarassed to be associated with anything pertaining to their roots. well wake up call! you are not…being a filipino is something you’ll be until the day you cease to exist.
love it or leave it…
v_wrangler
03-25-2006, 05:09 PM
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v_wrangler
03-25-2006, 05:13 PM
My point is this;
We individual Filipinos are worldclass, we have world class doctors, world class artists, world class political scientists, world class IT specialists… world class maids, world class prostitutes…you name it we got it. But put that all together, and you get Filipinos as a country. As a country, at the moment, we are not world class, we are substandard. we are at the bottom of the pile. And you are telling me that you are proud of that? come on, be serious. We have the potential to be a great nation. But we will never get there unless we stop being hypocrites and stop believing that we already are a great nation…we are not, and we do not have the right to feel proud of our country, there is a lot of work to do before we can say…i am proud to be pinoy… i am not judging anyone to be hypocrite and delusional, I am simply posting an argument. sabi nga nila…batu batu sa langit…ang tamaan ay pangit…
– now tell me, are they delusional? are they hypocrites?
Ask them if they are proud of being pinoy, and Ill tell you.
I dont see Jim Paredes saying he is proud of being a pinoy… its implied, not stated. We have to stop reading what we want to read, and stop seeing what we want to see, cut through your biases and try to see the real situation.
You need Jim tell you about your legacy?
ANyways, Nemui, when I say I am proud of the people and my past, I am proud of all the people who came before me who fought hard for freedom. I am proud of that heritage. Heritage is something you cannot take away from a real pinoy ass. Whats the color of your behind btw? - not that it tells me anything. But if its turning red now - that means you have sat too long from where you are.
While most of us are proud pinoys, proud of the heritage, we aren’t proud of our democracy and the rotten leadership back home. Most of us aren’t even proud of the quality of life in which most FIlipinos live in. WHo is anyway?
In the meantime, i am really really nemui… I’m seeing stars… must be my kafunshou meds at work…
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katty0531
03-25-2006, 11:46 PM
My point is this;
We individual Filipinos are worldclass, we have world class doctors, world class artists, world class political scientists, world class IT specialists… world class maids, world class prostitutes…you name it we got it. But put that all together, and you get Filipinos as a country. As a country, at the moment, we are not world class, we are substandard. we are at the bottom of the pile. And you are telling me that you are proud of that? come on, be serious. We have the potential to be a great nation. But we will never get there unless we stop being hypocrites and stop believing that we already are a great nation…we are not, and we do not have the right to feel proud of our country, there is a lot of work to do before we can say…i am proud to be pinoy… i am not judging anyone to be hypocrite and delusional, I am simply posting an argument. sabi nga nila…batu batu sa langit…ang tamaan ay pangit…
– now tell me, are they delusional? are they hypocrites?
Ask them if they are proud of being pinoy, and Ill tell you.
You may all have the rights to sing praise to your so called hymn of absolute freedom of speech. Surmising things that Filipinos are world class prostitutes! I doubt you have not done such a research even with a higher margin of error. How dare you to have easily sang such phrases, how dare you to say we do not have the right to be proud of our country! Is this what you call freedom of speech? Personally, I have been chagrined by your abysmal statements that may have cause blubbering among us Filipinas. Statements without basis of some kind of research, is tantamount to rumor mongering. Rumormonger are to banish from the civil society. If you are here just to showcase your public speaking ability at a maximum decibel without regard of the feelings and rights of others, then you could have done it no better than taking the “amendment number 5” option, the right to remain silent!
You are so agog to us Filipinos to stop being hypocrites! Who’s talking here? The saying maybe true, that women speaks about 30,000 words a day, than to a man’s 15,000. You know the reason why? Because women have to repeat everything to men! And so I say, please you need to go over again to this thread, to finally summon your state of mind and may realign your gargantuan negative statements.
Negating you in mind, I am very proud to be a Filipino, even though (borrowing your statement) it is not a great nation, for becoming great is infinite, and the line has never been drawn, though some hypocrites may have.
richie
03-26-2006, 11:01 AM
Yes the Filipino has good traits… we are able to find ‘inner peace’ through religion, community, and family. We understand Catholisism more than any other race. We exemplify what it means to be ‘christian’. we are passive. we entrust our problems to God. We know that this temporal world is of secondary importance. We know, that if we love our enemies and our neighbors, all suffering is irrelevant. We will all die someday, and we know we will face God. If you know this, then dont ask why the country is in such a bad shape. You cannot truly excel in this world and be a true christian at the same time. Its an imperfect world… if you give yourself, people will take… nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
A true mature Christian is an active Christian, it involves work, a selfless work of love. A passive Christian is tantamount to only lip service, na “isusuka ng Dios.” Yes, we will all die someday and face God and He will ask, “What have you done?”
If we will see the true meaning of Christianity as a whole, what would make us not “excel?”
But first what make us love something we are not even proud of or willing to be proud of? much more do or contribute something for it?
love first and everything follows.
we should be reminded that love is not a sentiment. It is a verb that involves action!
Autumn
03-26-2006, 02:02 PM
Ang tanong mo @honey…kung proud ba ako being a filipino kahit na maraming
suliranin na kinakaharap? …yes of course…im proud to be a filipino…i dont care kung bulok ang
sistema…ang daming dapat na maipagmalaki bilang filipino…nandyan ang magagandang
kaugalian ng mga filipino…ang pagmamahalan ng mga tao…ng mga kapitbahayan ( filipinos are
the most loving person/peoples) nasa ating bansa na ang halos ng kagandahan…kalikasa n…Ang
GANDA ng PILIPINAS…im too proud kasi ang galing ng Filipino…hindi natin kailangang maging
bitter…kahit naman saan bansa may mga hindi rin maganda may mga depekto din naman…
tsaka doon tayo ipinanganak…doon nagkaisip…namulat sa maraming bagay…doon sa ating Inang
bayan…kung ikakahiya lang din para na din natin ikinahiya ang sarili nating INA…good day po sa
lahat
Tonyang
03-26-2006, 04:01 PM
Good day sa lahat, mga Kapatid. Nakakatuwa na mahal natin ang Pinas sa mga mensaheng nababasa. Sana mabuo rin natin ang bayanihan para maiangat naman natin ng kahit kaunti ang ating lahi. Sigurado ako na may mga “seed that will grow” na sa mga puso natin at konting pagbugso pa ng damdamin at aabante na rin tayo para matulungan ng ganap ang ating bayan.
Nasa isip, puso at diwa natin ang pagiging Pilipino kung mahal natin (nirerespeto) natin ang ating pinagmulan.
Raiden
03-26-2006, 06:05 PM
I am proud to be a Filipino. For better or for worse, in sickness or in health, for richer or for poorer, 'til death do us part.
richie
03-26-2006, 09:35 PM
I am proud to be a Filipino. For better or for worse, in sickness or in health, for richer or for poorer, 'til death do us part.
I now pronounce you…husband and wife…
let us loosen up a bit, guys
katty0531
03-26-2006, 09:46 PM
I now pronounce you…husband and wife…
let us loosen up a bit, guys
hahaha…
You may now kiss the bride…
honeybunny
03-26-2006, 10:01 PM
im proud pa rin to be a filipino:) ,at ipinapakita ko yun,lalo na dito sa kaishang pinagtatatrabahuhan ko,na magaling tayong magtrabaho,at hindi tayo patatalo sa ibang lahi,kung trabaho lang ang pag uusapan;) ,and of course,may good manners and right conduct din naman ang karamihan sa ating mga pinoy no?
luccia
03-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Im proud na kahit gusto kung umupo sa bus,densha pero pag nakakita ako
ng matanda o lola/lolo upo ka…
(gaya gaya naman si ate at kuya na katabi ko,pero minsan walang gumagaya )
im proud na kahit sinabihan ako ng mga jpnese friend ko at mga obasan
na ijiwaru na yung pilina ay involve sa ganito ganyan …
(bakit meron din naman hapon na involve ng ganito at ganyan.
o di tumahimik si lola obasan na ijiwaru sinabi na naman na
wag siyang mag iinarte sa akin pag gutom ako.)
im proud na kahit sabihin nila na si Imelda marcos ay ganito ganyan
(ay sinabi mo pa na ganito at ganyan siya binisita ko nga sa manila museum
ang lahat ng mga sapatos,damit, alahas, dyamante at mga bagay
bagay na hinarbat niya…gusto mong makita sama ka sakin pilipinas)
im proud na kahit sabihin nila na punung puno na negatives at good vibes
ang pilipinas.
(paki ko ba marami rin naman akong vibes na nararamdaman na
wala namang paki sa akin paki ang pilipinas ah)
and ill be more proud to say nung tanungin ako ng isang japanese kung kilala ko ba si
San Lorenzo Ruiz… at sabihin niya na dun mismo sa
Nagasaki nag buwis ng buhay si San Lorenzo Ruiz
(ay oo naman lola ninuno ko yata siya mang angkin ba:D )
He die tru hanging in the pit on the hills of Nagasaki that’s the reason he become
the Most Improbable of Saints, and the the First Filipino Saint.
(tumpak ba ang sagot ko lola haponesa. sabi ko naman sayo nagbabasa rin ako ng
mga bagay bagay na yan…once in a blue moon nga lang)
sa dami ng proud ko hindi ko na maisulat.( o di wag mo ng isulat/uu nga naman )
indeed I am hypocrite delusional dahil kahit nakikita ko na sa dalawang
mata ko na maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw at madilim pa sa gabi.
kung anong kulay ng Pilipinas.
(pero sinisigaw pa rin ng aking kaluluwa …na uy g@g@ pilipina ka
pls lang wag mo ng tignan ang kulay ko dahil flexible yang kutis ko
hiram ko lang ang aking pag kaputi …u know naman me pag umuuwi ako ng
pilipinas nagiging maputim ako…pero sosyal pa rin ako dahil
diko na kailangan pumasok sa isang aparato para lamang maging
Chocolate Brownies …)
but still proud pa rin ako dahil kung di ako pilipina im sure di ako pakakasalan ni lolo.
yes Im Proud to be Hypocrite Delusional Pilipina/Pilipino
and ill take that as a very Good compliment in my Life.
rajjah
03-26-2006, 10:51 PM
Yes the Filipino has good traits… we are able to find ‘inner peace’ through religion, community, and family. We understand Catholisism more than any other race. We exemplify what it means to be ‘christian’. we are passive. we entrust our problems to God. We know that this temporal world is of secondary importance. We know, that if we love our enemies and our neighbors, all suffering is irrelevant. We will all die someday, and we know we will face God. If you know this, then dont ask why the country is in such a bad shape. You cannot truly excel in this world and be a true christian at the same time. Its an imperfect world… if you give yourself, people will take… nope sorry i am not proud to be Filipino, but I am a Filipino… Im just hoping that everything I believe in will turn out to be true… I think every Filipino who says he is proud, is either a hypocrite or delusional.
Nice one Nemoy! I like it. The problem with your post is you went too far. Hypocrisy and delusional are words that are considered taboo to Filipinos who are very much used to passive reaction and self-denial. If you are a Filipino, you should at least aware that Filipinos wont take direct criticism lightly. Filipinos are dreamers. We don’t like to be reminded of the ugly things that surrounds us while we are in deep trance.
I am very proud of myself as a true blue blood pinoy and that my friend is absolutely far with in the context of your description. There is absolutely no delusion to shout to the whole world of your true identity.
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 09:53 AM
Its good to see a lot of you are still proud of being Filipino despite everything. Im not saying ‘dont be proud’, Im saying, look hard. Are you really proud? or is it just a reflex reaction. My opinion is (everyone is entitled to it right?) that its reflexive. It is ‘unthinkable’ for you not to be proud of being Filipino… ‘a basta! proud ako…tapos…’ I think rajjah said it best, passive reaction and self denial. It is a common pinoy trait. So before you say, ‘Im proud to be Pinoy’, make sure it is in proper context .
I would just like to point out that… ‘the right to remain silent’ is 5th amendment to the US constitution. In our constitution, its Article III section 12. Im not a lawyer, so I may be wrong.
katty0531
03-27-2006, 12:14 PM
I would just like to point out that… ‘the right to remain silent’ is 5th amendment to the US constitution. In our constitution, its Article III section 12. Im not a lawyer, so I may be wrong.
I purposely quoted the US constitution because I thought you belong there, you are not even proud to be one of us, I thought it is best for you to be governed by others!
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 12:38 PM
I purposely quoted the US constitution because I thought you belong there, you are not even proud to be one of us, I thought it is best for you to be governed by others!
Thanks. Thats a very nice complement… at least its better than the opposite. I mean, I would really be offended if someone told me that I deserve to live in the philippine’s corrupt and non-working system… your response by the way, somehow supports my point. You are willing to oust someone who does not share your views… even if you were just kidding as I am sure you will try to say, I think you mean it in a pinoy type of way. It makes me real proud to be ‘one of you’. I am not attacking you, I am responding to your behaviour and Im trying to deal with the issue that you have presented. No offense meant, honestly.
katty0531
03-27-2006, 12:46 PM
Thanks. Thats a very nice complement… at least its better than the opposite. I mean, I would really be offended if someone told me that I deserve to live in the philippine’s corrupt and non-working system… your response by the way, somehow supports my point. You are willing to oust someone who does not share your views… even if you were just kidding as I am sure you will try to say, I think you mean it in a pinoy type of way. It makes me real proud to be ‘one of you’. I am not attacking you, I am responding to your behaviour and Im trying to deal with the issue that you have presented. No offense meant, honestly.
All is well, that ends well.
v_wrangler
03-27-2006, 12:47 PM
Thanks. Thats a very nice complement… at least its better than the opposite. I mean, I would really be offended if someone told me that I deserve to live in the philippine’s corrupt and non-working system… your response by the way, somehow supports my point. You are willing to oust someone who does not share your views… even if you were just kidding as I am sure you will try to say, I think you mean it in a pinoy type of way. It makes me real proud to be ‘one of you’. I am not attacking you, I am responding to your behaviour and Im trying to deal with the issue that you have presented. No offense meant, honestly.
NO offense meant??? What a stupid post! You do not make sense, really. You owe the kind ladies here an apology for your previous prostitute talk and you still have the nerve to sound intelligent in english?
rajjah
03-27-2006, 12:51 PM
@ nemuySpruce
Sorry. I don’t want to make a nuisance out of myself but could you please clear the air for me. Do I understood it that you are not proud of your roots? I have reviewed your posts several times and somehow it is really what it told me. Or maybe I am just reading too much into your post.
Cheers!
Rajah
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 04:47 PM
Good question Rajah, until recently, if someone asked me if I was proud of being Pinoy, I would say 'natural!, pinoy ako, di ko maipagkakaila. buti sana kung tisoy ako, eh hindi eh. Pero I realized that response was not grounded. It was reactionary, kaya ang ginawa ko, naghanap ako ng mga accomplishments natin as a people na pwede ko ipagmayabang. I found a lot of notable acheivements made by pinoys as ‘individuals’ or small groups, but we as a country have not done anything that we can feel ‘proud’ about. The first EDSA revolution came close, at that moment, during that time, we had something. We did something no other country or society has done… imagine that, the entire history of man, we were the first. We were the first to depose a dictator, without violence, a truly unique triumph for democracy, the world stared in awe. But then a few years after? the bloodiest coup attempt, EDSA 2, EDSA 3… and where is democracy in our country now? Even in this forum you cannot voice out your oppinions without someone chewing your head off. Now you ask me if I am proud of my roots? of course, my ‘roots’ made me what I am today. I am proud of my accomplishments, I am proud of my parents for teaching me to respect people no matter who they are. maids or prostitutes or doctors nurses or whatever, pinoy man o hindi, we are all the same, give respect if respect is due. We have different ‘roots’. I cannot ride on your accomplishments and you cannot ride on mine simply because we are of the same nationality, something we pinoys are very fond of doing. Maybe my problem is I have a higher expectaion for Filipinos, I truly believe that we can become a ‘great’ people, in every sense of the word. But that will not happen if we force ourselves to be happy and content with what we are now, which is what all of you are saying when you say ‘I am proud to be Filipino’. I think the best definition of ‘pride’ is ‘The trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards’ I think we as a country are well below the standards dont you agree? And so I will risk animosity, and all your anger(you dont know who I am in real life anyways). I will put my foot down, and I will bluntly say it, I am ashamed of my country. You can keep believing the illusion all you want. I prefer to live in the real world.
rajjah
03-27-2006, 05:08 PM
Good question Rajah, until recently, if someone asked me if I was proud of being Pinoy, I would say 'natural!, pinoy ako, di ko maipagkakaila. buti sana kung tisoy ako, eh hindi eh. Pero I realized that response was not grounded. It was reactionary, kaya ang ginawa ko, naghanap ako ng mga accomplishments natin as a people na pwede ko ipagmayabang. I found a lot of notable acheivements made by pinoys as ‘individuals’ or small groups, but we as a country have not done anything that we can feel ‘proud’ about. The first EDSA revolution came close, at that moment, during that time, we had something. We did something no other country or society has done… imagine that, the entire history of man, we were the first. We were the first to depose a dictator, without violence, a truly unique triumph for democracy, the world stared in awe. But then a few years after? the bloodiest coup attempt, EDSA 2, EDSA 3… and where is democracy in our country now? Even in this forum you cannot voice out your oppinions without someone chewing your head off. Now you ask me if I am proud of my roots? of course, my ‘roots’ made me what I am today. I am proud of my accomplishments, I am proud of my parents for teaching me to respect people no matter who they are. maids or prostitutes or doctors nurses or whatever, pinoy man o hindi, we are all the same, give respect if respect is due. We have different ‘roots’. I cannot ride on your accomplishments and you cannot ride on mine simply because we are of the same nationality, something we pinoys are very fond of doing. Maybe my problem is I have a higher expectaion for Filipinos, I truly believe that we can become a ‘great’ people, in every sense of the word. But that will not happen if we force ourselves to be happy and content with what we are now, which is what all of you are saying when you say ‘I am proud to be Filipino’. I think the best definition of ‘pride’ is ‘The trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards’ I think we as a country are well below the standards dont you agree? And so I will risk animosity, and all your anger(you dont know who I am in real life anyways). I will put my foot down, and I will bluntly say it, I am ashamed of my country. You can keep believing the illusion all you want. I prefer to live in the real world.
I know what you feel. I am feeling the same way. However you slice it, I would stand up proudly and yell to the world that I am a Filipino. We might be messy at home but, I believe that our culture,however foggy it is, is not inferior to any other culture in the world. Set your heart at rest Nemuyspruce Filipinos will come around someday. For the mean time, I think you have a very serious issue against some of the of the residents here. Vwrangler is dead set against your misplaced ranting. I think you ought to settle it. Good luck.
v_wrangler
03-27-2006, 05:59 PM
Good question Rajah, until recently, if someone asked me if I was proud of being Pinoy, I would say 'natural!, pinoy ako, di ko maipagkakaila. buti sana kung tisoy ako, eh hindi eh. Pero I realized that response was not grounded. It was reactionary, kaya ang ginawa ko, naghanap ako ng mga accomplishments natin as a people na pwede ko ipagmayabang. I found a lot of notable acheivements made by pinoys as ‘individuals’ or small groups, but we as a country have not done anything that we can feel ‘proud’ about. The first EDSA revolution came close, at that moment, during that time, we had something. We did something no other country or society has done… imagine that, the entire history of man, we were the first. We were the first to depose a dictator, without violence, a truly unique triumph for democracy, the world stared in awe. But then a few years after? the bloodiest coup attempt, EDSA 2, EDSA 3… and where is democracy in our country now? Even in this forum you cannot voice out your oppinions without someone chewing your head off. Now you ask me if I am proud of my roots? of course, my ‘roots’ made me what I am today. I am proud of my accomplishments, I am proud of my parents for teaching me to respect people no matter who they are. maids or prostitutes or doctors nurses or whatever, pinoy man o hindi, we are all the same, give respect if respect is due. We have different ‘roots’. I cannot ride on your accomplishments and you cannot ride on mine simply because we are of the same nationality, something we pinoys are very fond of doing. Maybe my problem is I have a higher expectaion for Filipinos, I truly believe that we can become a ‘great’ people, in every sense of the word. But that will not happen if we force ourselves to be happy and content with what we are now, which is what all of you are saying when you say ‘I am proud to be Filipino’. I think the best definition of ‘pride’ is ‘The trait of being spurred on by a dislike of falling below your standards’ I think we as a country are well below the standards dont you agree? And so I will risk animosity, and all your anger(you dont know who I am in real life anyways). I will put my foot down, and I will bluntly say it, I am ashamed of my country. You can keep believing the illusion all you want. I prefer to live in the real world.
Hahaha! yes Rajah cool tayo todits.
Actually Nemoy, wala ka naman pinagkaiba sa nakararami rito eh. Lahat halos ay pareho ng nararamdaman mo. Walang nagkakaila noon. Ang problema lang ay masyado kang nadadala ng iyong emosyon - nakakalimutan mo na kahit may bahid ng katuturan iyang mga paratang mo - kailangan mo pa ring maging mahinahon sa iyong pagbigkas. Alam mo sa totoo lang baka nalilito ka na kasi what you write is medyo paiba iba na. Lalo akong nalilito kung anong gusto mo talagang sabihin.
Para madaling intindihin at sana unawain mo muna bago ka sumagot:
- Tama lang na mayroon kang sama ng loob sa iyong bansa para ito’y di mo ipagyabang. Naturalmente. Its your right.
- But you have no right to call those who still feel pride towards their heritage delusional. Hindi kesyo magkaiba tayo ng nakikita, ay pwede mo nang tapakan ang paniniwala ng iba. Accept that and we’ll probabaly in agreement.
- Hindi ka pa humihingi ng paumanhin sa iyong pag-generalize at pagtawag sa ilan nating mga kababayan na world-class Prostitutes.
- People doesn’t pick on you you for the sake of picking on you, people feel bad for a reason (above). Do not refuse to look back at it.
I can understand that you feel obliged to respond to questions regarding your pride. The easy answer is don’t. There is nothing much we can do about the lack of role models we can be proud to associate ourselves with. BUt its OK - its never too late for us to be own role models. And I’m sure that if you do well in your community - the Japanese people who will question your pinoy pride will get the answer by simply looking at you.
Peace.
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 07:18 PM
v_wrangler-sama, otsukaresama deshita…
Actually Nemoy, wala ka naman pinagkaiba sa nakararami rito eh…
Ano po ibig sabihin nun? Marami satin ang hindi proud sa pagiging pinoy? pero hindi lang nagsasabi? baket? di ko maintindihan.
Alam mo sa totoo lang baka nalilito ka na kasi what you write is medyo paiba iba na. Lalo akong nalilito kung anong gusto mo talagang sabihin.
san po ba lumabo ang post ko? please quote and I will clarify
- But you have no right to call those who still feel pride towards their heritage delusional. Hindi kesyo magkaiba tayo ng nakikita, ay pwede mo nang tapakan ang paniniwala ng iba. Accept that and we’ll probabaly in agreement.
tinapakan? alam nyo kasi, ang paniniwala, kung matibay yan, kahit tapak tapakan at dura-duraan, makintab padin yan. Ngayon, kung may tumapak at nasira, aba, marupok. Kaya nga inilalantad mo sa isang forum ang paniniwala mo para matesting kung may katwiran. ika nga ni mon tulfo… kung may katwiran, ipaglaban mo. ilalantad mo sa publiko tapos pag nabasag iiyak iyak ka. Buti nga at kapwa pinoy mo pa ang tumetesting ng paniniwala mo, kahiyahiya naman kung dayuhan pa ang bumanat nyan.
- Hindi ka pa humihingi ng paumanhin sa iyong pag-generalize at pagtawag sa ilan nating mga kababayan na world-class Prostitutes.
at pano naging insulto yan? meron naman talaga tayong world class prostitutes. Andami dito sa Japan, bawal din yan pagusapan? pag ba hindi natin pagusapan nawawala ang problema? hindi ito ang venue para jan? kasi ang forum na to ay para sa mga positive feel good sentiments lang. ang nakita ko lang sa rules ay ‘don’t post something that is rude, inflammatory or insulting’…nabangi t ko lang na meron tayong world class na maids at prostitutes, totoo naman diba? di ko maintindihan ang problema dun.
- People doesn’t pick on you you for the sake of picking on you, people feel bad for a reason (above). Do not refuse to look back at it.
People feel bad because I said you are either a hypocrite or delusional if you say you are proud to be pinoy… ganito lang yan eh. kada umaga pag gising ko, haharap ako sa salamin, sabay kindat, with matching pabaril baril ng daliri…i tell myself ‘gwapo mo pare!.. you da maan!’ ngayon, pag may makakita sakin, sasabihan ako, pare…nililinlang mo lang sarili mo. ang reply ko, oo pare alam ko, pero it makes me feel good so pagbigyan mo na ko… aminado, ilusyon lang diba? but if I say, pare naman! insulto yan aah!! ubusan na ng lahi!! … hipokrito na ko nun diba? or delusional. same here.
I can understand that you feel obliged to respond to questions regarding your pride. The easy answer is don’t. There is nothing much we can do about the lack of role models we can be proud to associate ourselves with. BUt its OK - its never too late for us to be own role models. And I’m sure that if you do well in your community - the Japanese people who will question your pinoy pride will get the answer by simply looking at you.
Peace.
pare masama na lagay natin kung ang role models natin ay sarili natin… mali ata yun.
v_wrangler
03-27-2006, 07:21 PM
Ito na lang muna ang sasagutin ko, meron lang akong kliyente dito sa opisina na nangangailangan ng matimtimang atensiyon… Babalik ako mamaya.
pare masama na lagay natin kung ang role models natin ay sarili natin… mali ata yun.
Ang ibig kong sabihin ay tayo ang magpasimula upang tayo ay maging role models ng bagong henerasyon ng mga pilipino. Hindi upang maging narcist.
Medyo mahilig ka nga pala sa deba-te… Baka me gustong sumingit muna… Pakipaliwanag ke kabayan nemuy.
richie
03-27-2006, 10:07 PM
[quote=rajjah]hypocricy and delusional are considered taboo to Filipinos who are very much used to passive reaction and self-denial. If you are a Filipino, you should at least aware that Filipinos wont take direct criticism lightly. Filipinos are dreamers. We don’t like to be reminded of the ugly things that surrounds us while we are in deep trance.
Personally, I do not like to be called a hypocrite neither a delusional, passive or self-denial only because I am proud to be a Filipino. Ugly things are always there, they come and go. This is not yet “heaven” and I am just realistic to see this point. Optomistic Filipinos do know and see these “ugly” things but do not settle and rant on them, lest move on, plan, contribute, do something worthwhile for the Philippines.
For you Nemoyspruce, try doing something for the Philippines and only then you will be proud to be a Filipino.
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 11:19 PM
For you Nemoyspruce, try doing something for the Philippines and only then you will be proud to be a Filipino.
Magandang gabi po richie.
Thanks for the advice. Medyo nalalabuan lang ako, ano po ang gagawin kong something for the Philippines. Can you give an example? Kayo po ba you do something for the Philippines? and what specifically about being Filipino are you proud of? Pasensya na po sa maanghang na pananalita, mahilig naman tayo sa maanghang di po ba?
Salamat po.
d_southpaw
03-27-2006, 11:20 PM
try doing something for the Philippines and only then you will be proud to be a Filipino.
Good point. Kahit maliliit na mga bagay lang. Basta talagang ginagawa at consistent.
Personal experience lang. I do not find it difficult to discuss Philippine problems with my Japanese friends or colleagues, or even with anybody from any country. The reason is, I discuss with them those problems from the point of view of the CAUSE and SOLUTIONS. And what I and those people I know ACTUALLY DO, in our own little ways. Whenever I show my colleagues the photos of the poor colleage students that we are helping, their faces change.
They do not hesitate to say the word datsubou. Same with my manager in the US and his wife. They invited us (me and my Japanese colleague) to their big home there during a business trip there.The topic will of course go the Philippines and our problems, but after several more minutes, they are wishing me and those other Filipino friends of mine best of luck in what we do. Not one argued with me yet that if what my and my friends do, can be done by so many other capable Filipinos, the Philippines will be a better place.
What I also found out after realising and shifting my attitude to this is, I no longer expect the Philippine goverment to do miracles for me. 60 years, same quality of governance. I still vote, and I exercise my rights thru absentee voting; but at least I now no longer feel bad whenever something not desirable is happening out there. Those are old news anyway. I will just continue doing my own little things. After more than 10 years of doing it and seeing the fruits, I do not see any reason why I will not continue to do so.
Some of my Japanese friends inside and outside office ask me if I still have no plans to change nationality. And my answer to them is: I appreciate that they are accepting me, I like this country, but it does not need me as much as the Philippine does. That is my indirect and humble (hopefully) way of telling them: I AM PROUD TO BE A FILIPINO
NemoySpruce
03-27-2006, 11:33 PM
Very admirable d_southpaw. If more people do what you do, pinas will certainly be a better place. I have no argument there. I feel proud for you, for people like you that go out of their way to help others. But see, a lot of foreigners, do what you do as well. I think they are more admirable, because they are not Filipino but they try to help. I am proud for them too. Sir, the fact that your Japanese friends ask you ‘do you want to change nationality?’ eh nakakahiya na yun. biruin mo tinatanong ka kung gusto mo maging ibang citizenship, and we dont notice that indirectly, they are saying your country is going down, jump ship! but you say, no i will go down with my country. its admirable, but it still proves my point, i think.
d_southpaw
03-27-2006, 11:41 PM
the fact that your Japanese friends ask you ‘do you want to change nationality?’ eh nakakahiya na yun. biruin mo tinatanong ka kung gusto mo maging ibang citizenship, and we dont notice that indirectly, they are saying your country is going down, jump ship! but you say, no i will go down with my country. its admirable, but it still proves my point, i think.
Salamat sa response mo. No, the reasons why they are asking me to change to Japanese nationality is not because of the situation of the Philippines. Not at all.
I will not tell all the reasons to avoid sounding mayabang or something like that, so just a few 1/ I like their food 2/ A colleague or two is branding me a Japanese that pretends to be a Filipino. I can pass for a Japanese look wise. I also try to learn my Japanese and somehow get an understanding of their ways 3/ other positive reasons.
So I am afraid this has not to do with your point.
NemoySpruce
03-28-2006, 08:48 AM
Wow. I have to say, thats very impressive. So what you are saying is that, you look and speak japanese. Yet you dont have japanese blood. Japanese people accept you as Japanese, and consider you to be one of them, actually invite you to become a citizen to enjoy all the benefits of being a japanese citizen, but you reject it? This inspite of the fact that you can hold dual citizenship (If Japanese embassy allows dual citizenship), did you know that Pinas allows dual citizenship? But you prefer to be pinoy because? what? you are proud? good for you. perhaps you can explain to me what makes you so proud of your country that you would deny yourself this opportunity, do you have kids? would you decide the same for them?.. but you dont have to answer, it might make you sound mayabang.
d_southpaw
03-28-2006, 01:40 PM
Yes I know about the dual citizenship. Hindi ko na muna sasagutin yong ibang mga tanong mo, para simple na lang. About my kids, the gift that I aspire/want to give them is not a nationality, but educations both inside and outside school. Knowledge, skills, aspirations, attitudes, that will make them stand on their feet wherever they are, and will help them achieve the lives they will choose to live.
What I can tell you, which is based on my actual experience. Do actual good things for whoever needy Filipinos you can provide help to. And you will find the peace and the beauty within, and the beauty of the Philippines amidst the commotion. And you will also find out the things about the Filipinos that you can be proud of.
My telling you how I feel will not matter much. It disappears right after you read this.
You have to feel those for yourself.
PILIPINAS
03-28-2006, 02:27 PM
I love the Philippines so dearly. But I must admit, sometimes I am not so proud of what is happening to us.
pilipinas
NemoySpruce
03-28-2006, 02:57 PM
Good for you sir! thats the best post in this thread. love and pride are two different things, we have been mixing them up. Thanks for clarification.
v_wrangler
03-28-2006, 03:30 PM
Good for you sir! thats the best post in this thread. love and pride are two different things, we have been mixing them up. Thanks for clarification.
Why does your post always insist that people who still profess pride in their country is either mixed up or out of line??
I say again : People feel pride about their country because its who they are - Pride in ones country doesnt necessarily mean pride about the democracy and all the ills the Philippines have earned all these years. People here have been replying since day one - you can hate it but still feel pride about heritage. TSk. Tsk. Nankai mo iuta to omou kedo na…
NemoySpruce
03-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Why does your post always insist that people who still profess pride in their country is either mixed up or out of line??
I say again : People feel pride about their country because its who they are - Pride in ones country doesnt necessarily mean pride about the democracy and all the ills the Philippines have earned all these years. People here have been replying since day one - you can hate it but still feel pride about heritage. TSk. Tsk. Nankai mo iuta to omou kedo na…
hmm. You can hate and feel pride. correct. in the same way, you can love, but feel ashamed of. love/hate is a different concept from pride/humility. I love our country, but I am ashamed of it. I guess that sums up my position in this thread. Salamat kay Pilipinas, at naliwanagan na ako. Although, my argument stands, I think (opinion ko lang, at malaking possibilidad na mali ako) those who feel proud of the Phils at this point in time, after all thats been happening are either confused(delusional, misinformed) or hypocrites. This is my opinion, and if everybody will look beyond feeling insulted, because that is not my intention, then maybe you can present this thread some solid facts to back up your pride. What have we done as a country to make you feel proud of being called pinoy?
v_wrangler
03-28-2006, 05:31 PM
hmm. You can hate and feel pride. correct. in the same way, you can love, but feel ashamed of. love/hate is a different concept from pride/humility. I love our country, but I am ashamed of it. I guess that sums up my position in this thread. Salamat kay Pilipinas, at naliwanagan na ako. Although, my argument stands, I think (opinion ko lang, at malaking possibilidad na mali ako) those who feel proud of the Phils at this point in time, after all thats been happening are either confused(delusional, misinformed) or hypocrites. This is my opinion, and if everybody will look beyond feeling insulted, because that is not my intention, then maybe you can present this thread some solid facts to back up your pride. What have we done as a country to make you feel proud of being called pinoy?
Frankly, I am actually at a loss on what your arguments were (I think I stopped caring few pages ago) and as long as you refrain from labeling proud pinoys and insisting your valuable opinions on them then we’ll be fine. If not, then you could as well shove your opinion up you know where (http://www.timog.com/gallery/files/1/8/1/kafunshou.gif).
BTW, I applaud PILIPINAS for what took us pages she did in less than three paragraphs. Proves a lot - Too much beer makes you a slow reader.
ladygems1216
03-28-2006, 08:55 PM
Yes i am very proud to be one…
pointblank
03-28-2006, 09:06 PM
Nakakalowkah talaga kayooohhh! Bakit ngayon ko lang nabalikan ang thread na ito??
Alam niyo, actually, tulad ng sabi ni v_wrangler, there are many similarities in what you guys feel and think, iba lang ang method of expression.
I can actually understand where Nemoy is coming from - that the claim of “being proud” should not be lightly made without more personal reflection on what it really means and entails. (Meron kasing mga mabilis mag-declare ng “Yes, I am proud to be Filipino”, pero pag tignan mo ang mga posts nila sa ibang thread, sila yung malakas magreklamo o manira.)
Nemoy, if it is some of these lightly made claims that bother you, huwag mo nang patulan, dahil hindi rin worth your time & effort. Sa tingin mo ba, they even understand what you are saying? Dadami lang ang wrinkles mo!
On the other hand, rest assured that the people who have debated with you on this issue have thought it over fully. I think it is safe to say that we all share your “qualified pride” (pride with reservations). We are proud of being Filipino, but not proud of many things in the Philippines. Ganyan talaga, like you said, it’s an imperfect world.
Dear people: kaya nga early on (post #11 yata on this thread), sinabi ko na that asking whether one was proud of being Filipino or not was not meaningful - nakita ko na ang potential problems down the line. I still say that we should instead be asking the JFK-like (Kennedy) question of what we have done to make the Philippines proud of us. :thumb:
NemoySpruce
03-28-2006, 10:48 PM
Hello pointblank, nice to have you posting again on this thread. Ive read your post a long time ago, and tinanong ko na nga sa sarili ko yan tanong na yan. I admit Ive done nothing worth mentioning for the Philipines to be proud of me. Ive been very selfish, my motivation through the day is to do good job to get a good appraisal to get higher pay. ganun kasimple motivation ko… ang kapakanan ng pinas ay medyo mababa sa listahan ng priorities ko, hindi ako bayani. Pero konswelo de bobo, in my line of work, i meet a hefty number of westerners. Australians, Americans, Canadians at British etc at sempre mga hapon… and in my dealings with them, i get high praise for my work, and often they compliment me by saying they believe Philippines has a very good education system etc, warm intelligent people etc… In my own way, albeit in an indirect manner, itinatayo ko ang bandila ng pilipinas. Tapos mababalitaan mo mga kagaguhan (pardon the language ngayon lang to) ng mga politoko sa pilipinas, kesyo may shabu resto na nakita 500m away from city hall, next day pina demolish, walang imbestigasyon… ano na nga ba nangyari dun? hello garci scandal, may bagong coup, babaguhin nanaman ang constitusyon…etsete ra etsetera…lantaran na power struggles at nakawan…tapos I see this thread, asking me if I am still proud to be Pinoy, I read the posts from our members and all I see is reflexive, instant noodle reactions na ‘yes Im proud!!’, Im proud because <insert lame, pathetic justification trying to cover all our failures as a people here> … Its pathetic, insulting and moronic. I wont stand for it. Pinoys are better than that. Filipinos are smarter than that. And if you still cant understand what I am trying to say, then you can kiss my a–. If you are really proud then explain why? puro alaska na natanggap ko, pero lahat umiiwas jan sa simpleng tanong na yan… sya, iniintay na ko ng biru ko.
v_wrangler
03-28-2006, 11:02 PM
Hello pointblank, nice to have you posting again on this thread. Ive read your post a long time ago, and tinanong ko na nga sa sarili ko yan tanong na yan. I admit Ive done nothing worth mentioning for the Philipines to be proud of me. Ive been very selfish, my motivation through the day is to do good job to get a good appraisal to get higher pay. ganun kasimple motivation ko… ang kapakanan ng pinas ay medyo mababa sa listahan ng priorities ko, hindi ako bayani. Pero konswelo de bobo, in my line of work, i meet a hefty number of westerners. Australians, Americans, Canadians at British etc at sempre mga hapon… and in my dealings with them, i get high praise for my work, and often they compliment me by saying they believe Philippines has a very good education system etc, warm intelligent people etc… In my own way, albeit in an indirect manner, itinatayo ko ang bandila ng pilipinas. Tapos mababalitaan mo mga kagaguhan (pardon the language ngayon lang to) ng mga politoko sa pilipinas, kesyo may shabu resto na nakita 500m away from city hall, next day pina demolish, walang imbestigasyon… ano na nga ba nangyari dun? hello garci scandal, may bagong coup, babaguhin nanaman ang constitusyon…etsete ra etsetera…lantaran na power struggles at nakawan…tapos I see this thread, asking me if I am still proud to be Pinoy, I read the posts from our members and all I see is reflexive, instant noodle reactions na ‘yes Im proud!!’, Im proud because <insert lame, pathetic justification trying to cover all our failures as a people here> … Its pathetic, insulting and moronic. I wont stand for it. Pinoys are better than that. Filipinos are smarter than that. And if you still cant understand what I am trying to say, then you can kiss my a–. If you are really proud then explain why? puro alaska na natanggap ko, pero lahat umiiwas jan sa simpleng tanong na yan… sya, iniintay na ko ng biru ko.
NO Nemoy, no ass kissing instant noodle reactions from me here. As pointblank-san eloquently explained - there really is no problem with what you feel because lahat halos ng nandito ay mayroong pride with reservations (if I may use pointblank’s word). The only problem with your post is how you express your thoughts. Remember the difference.
Don’t sweat it too much - you do not carry the problems of the Philippines alone in your shoulders. Enjoy your beer.
Raiden
03-29-2006, 04:41 AM
The question of the thread starter in the very beginning of this thread was,
“sa nangyayaring suliranin sa bansa natin proud pa ba kayo maging filipino?”
In English: In spite of the problems our country is facing, are you still proud to be a Filipino?
Not to be confused with this translation: Are you proud of all the problems plaguing our country?
Now if you can’t determine the difference between these two questions,
all I can say is,
Goodluck and See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
Raiden
03-29-2006, 06:29 AM
This is a part of the article written by Barth Suretsky an American about the Philippines.
“Maybe it will sound simplistic, but to go back to what I said above,
it is my unshakable belief that the fundamental thing wrong with this
country is a lack of pride in being Filipino. A friend once remarked
to me, laconically: “All Filipinos want to be something else. The
poor ones want to be American, and the rich ones all want to be
Spaniards. Nobody wants to be Filipino.” That statement would appear
to be a rather simplistic one, and perhaps it is. However, I know one
Filipino who refuses to enter a theater until the national anthem has
stopped being played because he doesn’t want to honor his own
country, and I know another one who thinks that history stopped dead
in 1898 when the Spaniards departed! While it is certainly true that
these represent extreme examples of national denial, the truth is not
a pretty picture. Filipinos tend to worship, almost slavishly,
everything foreign. If it comes from Italy or France it has to be
better than anything made here. If the idea is American or German it
has to be superior to anything that Filipinos can think up for
themselves. Foreigners are looked up to and idolized. Foreigners can
go anywhere without question. In my own personal experience I
remember attending recently an affair at a major museum here. I had
forgotten to bring my invitation. But while Filipinos entering the
museum were checked for invitations, I was simply waived through.
This sort of thing happens so often here that it just accepted
routine. All of these things, the illogical respect given to
foreigners simply because they are not Filipinos, the distrust and
even disrespect shown to any homegrown merchandise, the neglect of
anything Philippine, the rudeness of taxi drivers, the ill-manners
shown by many Filipinos are all symptomatic of a lack of self-love,
of respect for and love of the country in which they were born, and
worst of all, a static mind-set in regard to finding ways to improve
the situation.”
Read the whole article here. (http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=28 889&catID=20)
And don’t forget to read the interesting comments made by some of the readers.
NemoySpruce
03-29-2006, 09:30 AM
Nice article Raiden thanks. I totally agree with this guy, who ever he is. I like his ending best…
Until the Filipino takes pride in being Filipino these ills of
the soul will never be cured…
Before reading the article, I thought that I ‘lost’ my pride for being Filipino because of the things that have been happening lately. But I realized I never had it. I agree with Frank Woolf when he said that the root cause of this inferiority complex is our lack of History. Sure we did some heroic stuff, we repelled some of them, started a few rebellions here and there, but nothing to be really proud about. This thread has been going on for so long, and no one has posted any proof that his pride is for real. The Rice Terraces are magnificent. I feel awe everytime I see it, even in pictures. But we cant use that… ‘Im proud to be Filipino, because we built the Rice Terraces!’ it dont really work… I want to be able to say something like ‘Im proud to be Filipino, because we believe in democracy and in my country, it works!!’. Its hard to say that when our government dont work.
The article proves my point. We do not have pride as a country. You cant just turn it on like a switch, its going to take some hard work to find. Its not that easy…almost everybody in this Forum, probably most of the country is in denial. Or worse, maybe most of us just dont care anymore.
NemoySpruce
03-29-2006, 09:46 AM
I dont understand why so many pinoys feel that not having pride for country is such a mortal sin… like this comment on that article Raiden posted
“If you are (ashamed of being pinoy)… then shame on you! hindi ka karapat-dapat tawagin na isang pinoy! Ang mas maganda pa, magpa-plastic surgery ka na lang katulad ni michael jackson, para maging ‘puti’ ka rin at magpa-tangos ka rin ng ilong mo! At ipapalit mo yang dugo mo, into canadian blood…!!”
hehehe…michael jakson. Im not proud of being pinoy, but I will be, as soon as I find something to be proud about. As of now, Im not. I think thats a healthier attitude than always being proud, no matter what. Barth Suretsky said, our country lacks national pride, I think one of the reasons for this is a lot of pinoys ‘think’ they have pride, and never really do anything about it. They think, ‘im proud, im cool… you not? fah, traitor!’ … no progress. Hay pinoy nga naman…tsk tsk.
aprilluck
03-29-2006, 10:42 AM
I love my native land ! And because I love the country where I came from I try not to be “pasaway” here where I live ,dahil ayoko ng madagdagan pa ang pintas,at hindi magandang bagay na nakikita ng ibang bansa tungkol sa Pilipinas at sa atin. Hindi naman mahirap sumunod sa mga batas at patakaran kung isi-nasaalang-alang natin ang pangalan ng bansa na ating pinagmulan .Nalulungkot ako sa mga nangyayari sa Pilipinas ngunit di ko kayang itanggi ang pag ka Pilipino ko. God Bless.
v_wrangler
03-29-2006, 11:12 AM
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
infinite_trial
03-29-2006, 12:53 PM
sumthin to ponder again…
i don’t think we filipinos need a reason for us to be proud bein one. as i can see, most of us celebrate the success of other people too much but in reality, those people don’t even recognize their filipino heritage. i say, just be proud of ourselves. do sumthin good for the country.
so am i proud bein a filipino? yes…cuz im not doin anythin shameful for our country to denounce me for bein filipino! bow.
richie
03-29-2006, 10:22 PM
@ Pointblank
I do not know who among us here who “claimed” to be proud Filipinos did it lightly at kung puedeng makiusap sa iyo to please speak for yourself alone kung tungkol lamang sa nararamdaman ng bawat isa, I will tell you why as you read on. Mayroon ngang mga threads dito para pag-usapan, magreklamo tungkol sa mga hindi magandang karanasan sa atin, karagdagang impormasyon din ang mga ito para sa mga readers at kung isasali man ng writer ang nararamdaman niyang pagkadismaya, madali ng intindihin yon.
@ Nemuyspruce
This is my answer:
My group (all Pinay and housewives) started a tourist attraction business sa atin, indeed a tiny one but big capital. We worked so hard for this one because we started from scratch. Halos makuba na kami sa katratrabaho ng dahil lang dito. Bakit ba? at bakit pa?
The hearts of Pinoy!
After 25 years of going in and out of the country, including nung siya ay binata pa, living in Cebu for 3 years with all the basurang nagkalat kahit saan, paghahabol ng nandokut ng wallet niya…“paradise” pa rin ang 'Pinas para sa kanya, eto ang comment na isinulat niya (sa comment corner sa school )kung saan nagbakasyon ang bata, yan ang asawa kong hapon.
pointblank
03-29-2006, 11:30 PM
@ Pointblank
I do not know who among us here who “claimed” to be proud Filipinos did it lightly at kung puedeng makiusap sa iyo to please speak for yourself alone kung tungkol lamang sa nararamdaman ng bawat isa, I will tell you why as you read on. Mayroon ngang mga threads dito para pag-usapan, magreklamo tungkol sa mga hindi magandang karanasan sa atin, karagdagang impormasyon din ang mga ito para sa mga readers at kung isasali man ng writer ang nararamdaman niyang pagkadismaya, madali ng intindihin yon.
Dear Richie,
Wala akong sinabi na LAHAT ng nag-post dito ay magaang sinasabi na proud sila to be Pinoy. So, plis lang, do not put words into my mouth.
Conversely, if by your statement “I do not know who among us here…”, you are saying that everyone who posted here had a long and intensive deliberation before posting their answers that they are proud to be Pinoy, then I think you should read all the posts more carefully again. Some of them don’t even read the previous posts. Sorry to disappoint you, pero hindi lahat ng tao, katulad mong nag-iisip.
I fully understand that for some threads, the purpose is to expressedly discuss the problems of our country - and if it is in those threads that criticisms are made, I am not so narrow-minded as to take it against the poster. However, if you will bother to make an effort to cross check some posters’ messages across a variety of threads, you will find that contradictory beliefs are expressed, often unconsciously, even in non-serious threads.
That was exactly one of the points that Nemoy was making - that we should not be too quick on the draw to declare our patriotism without giving it much thought. I am not defending him, but we would be hypocritical not to admit that there is some truth to his claim.
If a person is really proud of being Pinoy, he/she will not, after having lived in and being enlightened by Japan where people generally follow rules, insult his own country by breaking simple rules when he goes home. How many Pinoys from Japan freely litter on the streets or jaywalk when they are in Manila? Meron akong kilalang Pinoy dito sa Japan, mataas pa ang pinag-aralan, nakita kong bumili ng mani sa intersection, pagkatapos kainin, tinapon ang supot sa labas ng kotse, mereseng nasa gitna ng Ayala. Bakit sumusunod sila sa patakaran pag nandito sila sa Japan, pero pag yapak sa Pinas ay hindi? Yan ba ang tunay na “proud to be Filipino”, walang respeto para sa sariling bansa at kultura? LAHAT ba ng kilala mong Pinoy dito, law abiding citizens?
d_southpaw
03-30-2006, 12:38 AM
Wow. It’s hot in here. 今日花見やったが、外は寒かっ た。
まあまあ、落ち着きましょう。
I am currently reading a book written by a previous shacho of Asahi beer, who took over Asahi Beer from the late 80s. Back then, it is ranked #4 and he managed to turn things around and steer Asahi to market leadership. I guess Asahi is still a market leader at this time. They have many phenomenal business leaders, this guy is probably one amongst those. The book contains mostly about his advices both in one’s life and in business, relating his advices from his philosophies and his actual management style in the company.
One of the advices he gave, which is one of the policies he implemented in the company and which I think relates quite well with this thread:
Minimize theoritical or abstract discussions.
Set actual targets and go for it.
I am afraid my impression is that, the trend, not only with TF but also with other online Fil communities that I am aware of, is opposite of these advices. I see lots of talkies, but when ideas about actual actions come up, halos wala ng magre-react.
I hope my impression will be proven wrong.
NemoySpruce
03-30-2006, 12:44 AM
@ Nemuyspruce
This is my answer:
My group (all Pinay and housewives) started a tourist attraction business sa atin, indeed a tiny one but big capital. We worked so hard for this one because we started from scratch. Halos makuba na kami sa katratrabaho ng dahil lang dito. Bakit ba? at bakit pa?
The hearts of Pinoy!
After 25 years of going in and out of the country, including nung siya ay binata pa, living in Cebu for 3 years with all the basurang nagkalat kahit saan, paghahabol ng nandokut ng wallet niya…“paradise” pa rin ang 'Pinas para sa kanya, eto ang comment na isinulat niya (sa comment corner sa school )kung saan nagbakasyon ang bata, yan ang asawa kong hapon.
Hello po mam, hindi ko po masyado naintindihan ang sagot nyo. Tama po ba ito? You are saying you are proud to be pinoy because you started a business and worked hard for it? Bunga po iyan ng pride nyo sa bansa, pero ang tanong ko po ay ano ang ugat ng pride nyo sa bansa?
Yung asawa nyo po na hapon, after all the misfortune and basura , paradise pa din tingin nya sa pilipinas… proud sya maging pinoy? please clarify.
My question is, what have we done as a country, to make us ‘proud to be pinoy’
its a simple question, answerable in one sentence. for example, if you ask a cambodian, why are you proud to be cambodian? he may point you to the ancient ruins of angkor wat (http://www.angkor.com/) and he will say, the blood of those who built these ancient marvels flows through my veins, after which he might give you a summary of the acheivements of the Angkor Empire.
ikaw pinoy…ano ang sayo?
NemoySpruce
03-30-2006, 01:05 AM
Minimize theoritical or abstract discussions.
Set actual targets and go for it.
I believe the pinoy translation would be ‘puro ka satsat, wala ka namang ginagawa’
but nothing was ever accomplished without good planning. Kung programer ka, 80% design (theory, planning), 20% coding. Sa construction or manufacturing, measure twice, cut once. kay Sun Tzu, if you know your enemy and you know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles… planning is essential, but you need to balance it with the time you have. Forums are good venues for thought experiments and idle conversations, there cannot be much action here, the system cannot support that. If your looking for action, maybe you should try NGOs or real organizations with live people. You will not find action here, puro annonymous tayo, unless you go EB and organize a group.
chris_rock
03-30-2006, 01:27 AM
if i may just chime in; congratulations, you’ve managed to sway a lot of people into believing (in your own mind) that there’s nothing to be proud of in being a filipino. good for you.
you’re on the outside looking in; talk is cheap. have you done anything lately?
best regards.
and by the way, if i may quote someone in anotther thread…just because you can’t be proud of your race doesn’t mean you have to look down on those of us who do.
d_southpaw
03-30-2006, 08:12 AM
I believe the pinoy translation would be ‘puro ka satsat, wala ka namang ginagawa’
May interpretation of it is: MANGITLOG KA MUNA BAGO KA PUMUTAK.
Pag puro putak lang, wala namang itlog, annoying dahil wala na ngang ginagawa maingay pa. Yong may ginagawa karaniwan tahimik dahil busy.
NemoySpruce
03-30-2006, 08:51 AM
if i may just chime in; congratulations, you’ve managed to sway a lot of people into believing (in your own mind) that there’s nothing to be proud of in being a filipino. good for you.
you’re on the outside looking in; talk is cheap. have you done anything lately?
best regards.
and by the way, if i may quote someone in anotther thread…just because you can’t be proud of your race doesn’t mean you have to look down on those of us who do.
Have I done anything lately? …well heres one thing Im doing. Im asking everyone to think. because everyone says they are proud of being pinoy, but so far no one has offered any answer to a simple follow up question to the theme of the thread. “Why?” Its a valid question right?. I did not steal your pride, how could I do that? if it was real pride, then it should still be there. if its real, then you wont have any problems answering the question. Im not looking down on anyone. just asking a question, i think its that inferiority complex acting up. You get that if you have no pride, or so the article Raiden posted says.
–Pag puro putak lang, wala namang itlog, annoying dahil wala na ngang ginagawa maingay pa. Yong may ginagawa karaniwan tahimik dahil busy.
Im sorry if Im annoying a lot of you. But Im realy passionate about this topic, I really think its a major cause of our problems, and maybe even the root, and its something we can deal with using Forums, because you are annonymous, you can say things you wont normaly say in person, and you are not forced to read any of the posts here, If you find it boring, click away.
taki
03-30-2006, 09:58 AM
When i mingle with people of different culture here in Japan, i used to say i am a Filipino. Unfortunately, i’ve noticed that most of them express negative impressions about Filipinos. The next time some foreigner asked my nationality, i tell them i am of Spanish and Japanese breed but raised in the US. I am sorry but I just don’t want to be avoided by my gaijin acquaintances.
Raiden
03-30-2006, 01:43 PM
My question is, what have we done as a country, to make us ‘proud to be pinoy’
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who had the testicular fortitude to fight and resist the foreign invaders. Even though the odds are against them, they still fought to the death.
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who’d rather die on their feet, than live on their knees.
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who chose sovereignty, instead of being a lap dog of a foreign country.
I am proud of the natural beauty and the natural resources of the Philippines.
I am proud of the Philippines because I was born there free from oppression and persecution.
I am proud of the Philippines for providing me with the education necessary to survive and flourish in this world.
I am proud of the Philippines for molding me into what I am today.
Seems to me that you believe pride is synonymous with complacency. You couldn’t be further from truth in my opinion, because the more you feel ashamed of your country, the more you are inclined to neglect and disserve it.
Do you truly believe that all the corrupt officials and politicians, all the criminals, all the squatters, all the drug addicts are proud to be Filipino. Chances are they’d be singing the same tune as you.
There are many shameful things in the Philippines indeed. I am not denying that fact. But if you think that all those shameful things is what the Philippines really is, then you’ve accepted that’s the farthest point the Philippines could reach. The way I see it, we could make the Philippines so much better than the way it is today. But first, we have to love it and be proud of it. Our ancestors thought it was worth fighting for, so why can’t we think and feel the same way as they did?
pointblank
03-30-2006, 03:17 PM
Medyo giri-giri off-topic ito, pero still slightly related pa naman.
I would just like to voice out my personal “mixed-thoughts”…
Those who have been following the news would have heard of the Japanese courts granting Japanese citizenship to the elder daughter of a Japanese-Filipino couple, whose younger daughter is already a Japanese citizen. I am happy for them, and the decision in this case was a natural, fair and logical one.
However, in the many arguments involving granting Japanese citizenship to Japanese-Filipino children, specially sa mga hindi clear ang tatay, mayroong indirectly expressed implication (teka, redundant yata yun, indirect na implied pa) underlying the issue na mas desirable ang Japanese passport sa Filipino passport…
Naba-bother ang isip ko, dahil kung tutuong proud tayo sa pagiging Pinoy, hindi ba dapat ay kasing bigat ang binibigay natin na importansya sa pagkakaroon ng Filipino citizenship? Bakit ganoon na lang ka-atitat natin maging Hapon? Yung mga ibang Koreano sa Japan, second or third generation na, di na marunong magsalita ng Korean, pero ayaw pa rin maging Hapon…
Uunahin ko na ang mga Miriam (as in Defensor, defend ng defend). Naiintindihan ko na siyempre ay mas mabilis mamuhay sa Japan kung Hapon ang citizenship ng isang tao. But isn’t that inconvenience a small price to pay for being “proud to be a Filipino”?
Raiden
03-30-2006, 03:42 PM
@ pointblank
Buti na lang at pwede na ang Dual Citizenship sa US at Pilipinas.
Aquamarine
03-30-2006, 06:30 PM
I have read this article from a forwarded email and I think meron din tayong makukuhang
lesson or lessons from this.
------------*
Ako ay isang middle class pinoy, isang officer sa isang malaking
korporasyon at may asawa…dalawa anak. Di na importante pangalan ko kasi
parepareho naman tayong mga middle-class…trabaho 9-5, inom konti tapos
uwi sa pamilya, laruin si baby, itutor si ate/kuya tapos tulog na, pag wala
na pera intay nalang ng sweldo.
Sa nangyayari ngayon sa ating bansa, lahat nalang ng sector ay maingay at
naririnig, tayo lang mga middle-class, tax paying at productive Pinoys ang
di naririnig. Subalit, buwis natin ang nagpapaikot sa bansang ito. Pag
may mga gulo na nangyayari, tayo ang tinatamaan. Kaya eto ang liham ko sa
lahat ng maiingay na sector na sana makagising sa inyong bulag na
pag-iisip.
Sa Mga Politiko:
- diyos ko naman, sa dami na nang nakurakot ninyo di na ba kayo makuntento
kelangan nyo pa ba manggulo.
Sa Administrasyon: - hayan ayus na ha pinatawad na namin ang pandaraya nyo sa eleksyon,
pruweba dito e di kami umaatend sa mga panawagan ng people power, kaya sana
naman gantihan nyo kami ng magandang serbisyo at magaling na pamumuno at
malaking bawas sa kurakot naman please para kahit papano maramdaman naman
namin na may napupuntahan ang binabayad naming buwis.
Sa Oposisyon: - di nyo pa ba nakikita na dalawang klase lang ng tao ang nakikinig sa
inyo…isa ay bayaran na mahihirap kungdi man ay tangang mga excited na
reporter na parang naka-shabu lagi…mga praning e at naghahallucinate. - Bago man lang kayo maglunsad ng kilos laban sa administrasyon, pumili
muna kayo ng magiting at nararapat na ipapalit sa liderato ngayon. Hirap
sa inyo paresign kayo ng paresign wala naman kayo ipapalit na maayos.
Advise lang galing sa isang middle-class na syang tunay na puwersa sa likod
ng lahat ng matagumpay na People Power, magpakita muna kayo ng galing bago
nyo batuhin ang administrasyon. Wala na kaming narinig sa inyo kundi
reklamo, e wala naman kayong ginagawa kundi magreklamo…para kayong
batang lagi na lang naaagawan ng laruan…GROW UP naman…sa isip sa
salita at sa gawa. - please lang gasgas na rin ang pagrarally nyo na katabi nyo ay mga bayaran
na mahihirap, magtayo nalang kayo ng negosyo at iempleyo ang mga rallyista
para maging productive silang mamamayan. Sige nga, pag nagrarally kayo
yakapin nyo nga at halikan yang mga kasama nyong nagrarally!! Nung People
Power namin nagyayakapan kami lahat nuon. - Wala naman mangyayari sa mga rally nyo nakakatraffic lang, kami pang
middle-class ang napeperwisyo. Di nyo kayang paghintayin ng 3 araw ang mga
rallyista nyo kasi kelangan nyo pakainin at swelduhan ang mga yan. Kung
gusto nyo tagumpay na People Power kami ang isama nyo…pero pagod na kami
e, sori ha.
Sa Military:
Alam nyo lahat tayo may problema, pati US Army may problema, 2,000 plus na
patay sa kanila sa Iraq na parang walang rason naman, pero nakita nyo ba
sila nagreklamo? Wala diba kasi professional sila na sundalo…yan dapat
ang sundalo di nagtatanong sumusunod lang. Kasi may mga bagay na di kayang
maintindihan ng indibidwal lamang, at ang mga nakatataas lang ang
nakakaintindi ng kabuuan, kaya ito ang panuntunan ng lahat ng military ng
lahat ng bansa. Pero parang military natin yata ang pinaka-mareklamo.
Sabi nga sa Spiderman “with great power comes great
responsibility”…kaya maging spiderman kayo lahat at protektahan ang
mamamayan. Sa totoo lang natatakot kami kapag nagrereklamo kayo, kasi may
baril kayo at tangke, kami wala.
Wala ako comment sa mga mahihirap, di naman kasi sila maingay na kusa e,
may bayad ang ingay nila. Saka wala rin naman sila email.
Kaya paano na tayong mga middle-class?? Eto hanggang email nalang tayo kaya
ikalat nyo na ito at magdasal tayo na umabot ito sa mga dapat makabasa nito
at makiliti naman ang kanilang mga konsyensya.
Signed,
Isang Middle-Class pinoy na walang puknat na binabawasan ang sweldo ng
Buwis!
NemoySpruce
03-30-2006, 06:35 PM
hello aquamarine thanks for posting this forwarded email, but admins discourage this kind of thing. Please avoid posting forwarded emails, especially long ones. If you really want to share something like this, best way is to make your own blog, upload it there, then post a link here. we would really like to hear your opinion, not some forwarded mail, na we also get in our emails. thank you po, at sana keep posting!
Aquamarine
03-30-2006, 06:47 PM
hello aquamarine thanks for posting this forwarded email, but admins discourage this kind of thing. Please avoid posting forwarded emails, especially long ones. If you really want to share something like this, best way is to make your own blog, upload it there, then post a link here. we would really like to hear your opinion, not some forwarded mail, na we also get in our emails. thank you po, at sana keep posting!
Sorry.
Next time Link na lang po.
NemoySpruce
03-30-2006, 07:55 PM
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who had the testicular fortitude to fight and resist the foreign invaders. Even though the odds are against them, they still fought to the death.
I am guessing you are talking about the katipneros? and other revolts against the spanish. Before then, we were not a country yet. just isolated tribes, scattered across the Islands (medyo ganon pa din tayo ngayon kaso at least medyo may common ruling body - ang ating magiting na gobyerno). Here is a breakdown of the exploits (Philippine History -- First Shots of the Philippine Revolution of 1898)of the Katipunan. Spain kicked their butts. Granted, Emilio Aguinaldo won a few skirmishes, but over all, it was a complete failure. If you are saying that you are proud of these angry, desperate, abused, tortured people, proud that they could not contain their anger anymore, and they would rather die than suffer the abuses of the friars and the abusive spaniards, then I would call you delusional.
I would be proud, if they figured out that the spaniards also depended on the people to survive… the spaniards also had to eat to survive. If the katipuneros, raided the food supply of these spaniards, employed psychological warfare(a.k.a terrorism) to make the spaniard’s life a living hell…in other words, if they outsmarted the spaniards and gained victory through that… I would be proud. They were a group of fed up peasants, untrained for warfare… they faught yes…but resisted? no way.
Have you heard of Tejeros (Philippine History -- The Tejeros Assembly of 1897)? this was more than a hundred years ago…but does it sound familliar? This is your heritage. And to top it all off, did you know that Aguinaldo had Bonifacio killed? after that Aguinaldo accepted 400,000 pesos from the Spaniards, and he and his closest friends left for Hong Kong… unbelievable.
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who’d rather die on their feet, than live on their knees.
I am proud of the Philippines and Filipinos who chose sovereignty, instead of being a lap dog of a foreign country.
we are $67.62 billion in debt, and more than 60 percent of our GDP goes to paying debt!! sovereignty?? asan?? our economy is totally dependent on US, and our other kuyas in the IMF.
I am proud of the natural beauty and the natural resources of the Philippines.
good for you, have you heard of cyanide fishing? dynamite fishing? have you tried riding a ferry boat on Pasig River? have you heard that our forests are being illegally logged, have you seen the thick brown smoke that covers manila when the sun sets… are you doing anything about that??
I am proud of the Philippines because I was born there free from oppression and persecution.
I am proud of the Philippines for providing me with the education necessary to survive and flourish in this world.
I am proud of the Philippines for molding me into what I am today.
bravo. lucky you…but how about the other 40% of the population, we’ll just ignore them coz, they dont really count right? read (BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Philippines suffers poverty divide).
Seems to me that you believe pride is synonymous with complacency.
well it would seem I would be correct… your pride is based on 4th grade history, you have been complacent for how many years?
You couldn’t be further from truth in my opinion, because the more you feel ashamed of your country, the more you are inclined to neglect and disserve it.
Do you truly believe that all the corrupt officials and politicians, all the criminals, all the squatters, all the drug addicts are proud to be Filipino. Chances are they’d be singing the same tune as you.
So what are you saying? that if a corrupt official wakes up one day and finds his pride for the country he will not be corrupt anymore? possibly…not likely but possible, but he will never find it if all he has is 4th grade history.
The way I see it, we could make the Philippines so much better than the way it is today. But first, we have to love it and be proud of it.
I totally agree
Our ancestors thought it was worth fighting for, so why can’t we think and feel the same way as they did?
by ancestors… do you mean the aetas? malays? spanish? chinese? the katipuneros? I dont have an answer there. why dont we think and feel the same way as they did? maybe because we are more informed?
I know it may seem like Im pointing to the bad parts of the Phils, but im not, Im looking at the whole picture. We have good traits and bad traits…but overall we have more bad things going on than good. I prefer to stare at the problems straight in the eye, its easier to solve them that way… you were almost correct when you said i thought “pride equals complacency”… “false pride equals complacency” would be more accurate.
richie
03-30-2006, 08:34 PM
Hello po mam, hindi ko po masyado naintindihan ang sagot nyo. Tama po ba ito? You are saying you are proud to be pinoy because you started a business and worked hard for it? Bunga po iyan ng pride nyo sa bansa, pero ang tanong ko po ay ano ang ugat ng pride nyo sa bansa?
Yung asawa nyo po na hapon, after all the misfortune and basura , paradise pa din tingin nya sa pilipinas… proud sya maging pinoy? please clarify.
My question is, what have we done as a country, to make us ‘proud to be pinoy’
its a simple question, answerable in one sentence. for example, if you ask a cambodian, why are you proud to be cambodian? he may point you to the ancient ruins of angkor wat (http://www.angkor.com/)and he will say, the blood of those who built these ancient marvels flows through my veins, after which he might give you a summary of the acheivements of the Angkor Empire.
ikaw pinoy…ano ang sayo?
That was the answer to your question in your post #135, although the answer is not yet complete, sir…I may wish to come by and finish it next time, medyo pagod lang ako ngayon.
d_southpaw
03-30-2006, 09:57 PM
Im looking at the whole picture. We have good traits and bad traits…
Paki mention mo rin nga yong mga good traits na nakita mo.
richie
03-31-2006, 12:10 AM
and by the way, if i may quote someone in anotther thread…just because you can’t be proud of your race doesn’t mean you have to look down on those of us who do.
Good shot, chris_rock!!
This is why this discussion had come this far, because of irresponsible comments without regards to the feelings of those who feel otherwise.
It is hard to find the words, words are not enough to accommodate one’s love, passion and pride for his country because it was naturally molded that way from day 1 of one’s concious existence. It can not be easily stripped by bad elements and I for one, do not base my pride on them, it is much much rooted inside and I believe most of our kababayans feel the same. For me, it is still and will always be a home sweet home.
chris_rock
03-31-2006, 12:32 AM
thanks sir richie. there will be ‘filipinos’ and there will always be filipinos. this thread has got me thinking…what has a person got to live for if the person can’t even be proud of where he/she came from. why? because you’re living in another country, enjoying what it has to offer?
you can be the most successful person in the world for all i care…pero at the end of the day, with all that angst you’re carrying, is it really worth it?
just because you got to get a nibble of the comfortable life doesn’t make you god…please, you won’t make the cut.
and oh, i really hope your kid’s don’t grow up to be like you. but then again, who am i to care.
you have a nice life.
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 11:58 AM
Paki mention mo rin nga yong mga good traits na nakita mo.
We have the potential to be a great nation!! we are natural diplomats. We are very caring, and our hospitality is renown. We know how to have fun and not take life so seriously, we are very religious…We have world class scientists, world class architects, lawyers, doctors, maids and prostitutes…etset era etsetera…all these have already mentioned in this thread. All these are good traits, but like anything else, can have bad effects.
pointblank
03-31-2006, 12:13 PM
@ pointblank
Buti na lang at pwede na ang Dual Citizenship sa US at Pilipinas.
Hello Raiden,
Oo nga e… pwede sa inyo.
Medyo off-topic uli 'to. But since you mentioned it, this is a good chance to clear things up.
Sa mga nakatira sa Japan at mag-a-apply for or meron nang Japanese citizenship: kahit ano pa ang sabihin ng Philippine government, the dual citizenship provision does NOT apply to you.
Of course the Philippine government would want to grant its former citizens their old citizenship back. Siyempre, since this would encourage investment in the Philippines, and you would have to pay taxes as a Filipino citizen.
However, the Japanese government does not recognize it. It will not allow a person to hold two citizenships. (May mga special cases, katulad ng mga bata, etc. - we are talking of general situations which would apply maybe 95% of the time.) What some Pinoys do is to change their citizenship to Japanese, but they do not return their Philippine passport to the Philippine government (embassy), and they think this is dual citizenship. Please note that this is technically illegal viewed from the Japanese side. Pag nabuking kayo, pwede kayong bawian ng Japanese citizenship.
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 12:17 PM
thanks sir richie. there will be ‘filipinos’ and there will always be filipinos.
aam…no. its either you are filipino or you are not. doesnt matter what you think, if you fit the criteria, then you one of us. if you segragate, then there is something wrong with you.
this thread has got me thinking…what has a person got to live for if the person can’t even be proud of where he/she came from. why? because you’re living in another country, enjoying what it has to offer?
well if youve lost your pride…hmmm lets see, you can try to find it cant you? maybe you can live for that. and no, i thought I ‘lost’ my pride, but I never had it. as Im sure you dont, but you chose not to see it, hence my conclusion that you are also delusional. Dont blame another country for this, they dont have anything to do with it…well maybe just a little.
you can be the most successful person in the world for all i care…pero at the end of the day, with all that angst you’re carrying, is it really worth it?
hell yea!! angst is good, it makes you appreciate life more… if you can control it, it will make your job more satisfying… you should try a few tablespoons a day.
just because you got to get a nibble of the comfortable life doesn’t make you god…please, you won’t make the cut.
If I were God, I wouldnt have all this angst now would I? but nibbling the comfortable life has made me more frustrated with the Philippines. Especially after seeing pinoys follow the rules like good little citizens…why cant they do that at home?
and oh, i really hope your kid’s don’t grow up to be like you. but then again, who am i to care.
I hope so too. I hope they grow up to be greater than me, but I will not teach them to be stagnant, and accept what the majority is thinking and feeling to be the truth. I will teach them to always challenge their pre-conceptions, and always keep an open mind. I will teach them to stand up for the truth, even if you have to annoy some people to do it… if you dont care, then thats you, go for it man.
you have a nice life.
thanks but, I already do.
d_southpaw
03-31-2006, 12:47 PM
We have the potential to be a great nation!! we are natural diplomats. We are very caring, and our hospitality is renown. We know how to have fun and not take life so seriously, we are very religious…We have world class scientists, world class architects, lawyers, doctors, maids and prostitutes…etset era etsetera…all these have already mentioned in this thread. All these are good traits, but like anything else, can have bad effects.
Salamat sa pagsagot mo. For you these are nothing to be proud of.
Let me guess the reason. Even with positive aspects, you are still putting negative colors on them. I am afraid the mention of maids and prostitutes is not appropriate for this particular question - I asked for ‘good’ trait or aspect. They must go to the ‘problem’ aspect, that both the government and us as a whole must at least be aware of. If we cannot do anything good for their difficult plight, at least let us not mock them. The maids for example have already more than enough difficulties in them, being mostly mothers away from their children.
Next question if you will. What have you done, ( except for working hard, which is very good indeed, and most of us do that]), for other Filipinos to be proud of you.
Have a good day to you.
Dkid
03-31-2006, 01:00 PM
We have the potential to be a great nation!! we are natural diplomats. We are very caring, and our hospitality is renown. We know how to have fun and not take life so seriously, we are very religious…We have world class scientists, world class architects, lawyers, doctors, maids and prostitutes…etset era etsetera…all these have already mentioned in this thread. All these are good traits, but like anything else, can have bad effects.
We have the potential…blah blah blah… we are very caring… blah blah blah we have world class maids and prostitute… blah blah blah. Are you still there? You cannot dance tango in a mambo tune! It could have been approriate to use You instead of we, or it maybe acceptable.
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 01:05 PM
Salamat sa pagsagot mo. For you these are nothing to be proud of.
these are good traits. i admire good people who have them. World class means, you are as good as anyone in the world… admirable yun. but the question was for ‘pinoys’ as a whole… and I think, if you look at the entire picture, bad traits out weigh the good by a very large margin.
Let me guess the reason. Even with positive aspects, you are still putting negative colors on them.
Im not putting anything…they are there already, im just pointing them out.
I am afraid the mention of maids and prostitutes is not appropriate for this particular question - I asked for ‘good’ trait or aspect. They must go to the ‘problem’ aspect, that both the government and us as a whole must at least be aware of.
I disagree, I dont agree that maids and prostitutes are problems that have to be solved. These are valid professions, it just so happens that, you educated types, do not want to do them. But they have skills that are in demand. They provide them, and if they are compensated well then it falls under the same category as any other skill… its another preconception we have. it belongs to another thread.
If we cannot do anything good for their difficult plight, at least let us not mock them. The maids for example have already more than enough difficulties in them, being mostly mothers away from their children.
Whos mocking? I view them as equals. You seem to feel superior to them in some way.
Next question if you will. What have you done, ( except for working hard, which is very good indeed, and most of us do that]), for other Filipinos to be proud of you.
Have a good day to you.
hmmm lets see… what have I done? other than work hard for my paycheck and follow the rules?..hmmmm nothing? absolutely nothing. whats your point?
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 01:07 PM
We have the potential…blah blah blah… we are very caring… blah blah blah we have world class maids and prostitute… blah blah blah. Are you still there? You cannot dance tango in a mambo tune! It could have been approriate to use You instead of we, or it maybe acceptable.
what? what are you blabbering about.
Dkid
03-31-2006, 01:15 PM
what? what are you blabbering about.
You call it blabbering?
I don’t need a pint of plato’s beer to see a wolf in a sheep costume, based on the quoted claims above.
If you have dragged a horse in the river, I bet you can not force it to drink.
v_wrangler
03-31-2006, 01:39 PM
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Do not feed the troll!
You cannot negotiate with them or make them feel shame, remorse or compassion, there is no reasoning with them. Trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
So tell (http://www.timog.com/forum/sendmessage.php) your friends, families, brothers and sisters, to never ever feed the troll!
The whole point of trolling is to have you react. So do not react! It’s as simple as that, defeat their purpose in life. The troll sees his self-worth in how much of a reaction he can inspire - ignore him: it’s your best weapon!
Should you answer a troll, then calm down! Do not read any of the troll’s responses to you. He is just trying to draw you further into its lair.
AGAIN: DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 02:01 PM
hello wrangler, thanks for the warning. but thats the second time you have posted such warnings. you infact are now a troll. please post content relevant to the discussion. if you have no opinions related to the thread, or if you are really concerned about trolls, which I assure you besides you, there are none on this thread, make your own thread about trolls.
Thanks.
NemoySpruce
03-31-2006, 02:03 PM
You call it blabbering?
I don’t need a pint of plato’s beer to see a wolf in a sheep costume, based on the quoted claims above.
If you have dragged a horse in the river, I bet you can not force it to drink.
Im sorry I fail to see what this has to do with our topic. please explain.
Dkid
03-31-2006, 02:23 PM
thanks for the troll alert v _wrangler-san.
I needed it sometimes.
I’ll keep the feeds for now, I may need it in other worthy avenue
Raiden
03-31-2006, 04:10 PM
WOW! :eek: Masyado nang umiinit dito sa thread na ito ah. :grrr:
I know I’m partially accountable for the fuel that turned this discussion into an inferno. :hellfire:
So let me try to extinguish the flames.
Madam NemoySpruce,
No ill will against you. I know you mean well, and are concerned about the adverse condition of our country, as most of us Filipinos do. No Filipino is proud of all the dreadful things that is happening in our country and all the bad traits we have as a people. No one in this forum is denying that fact. When we say that we are proud to be Filipino, we are not referring to the problems the Philippines posses. We are referring to what we think are great attributes of the Philippines and Filipinos of the past and the present, so we could follow their examples to define the future of our nation, a great nation that all of us Filipinos are yearning for. I know there are only a few of those attributes, you are correct in stating that there are more bad than good things in the Philippines, but I think the more we dwell on the bad things the more we become hopeless, and the lesser the love we feel for our country.
So when you said that Filipinos who are proud are either hypocritical or delusional, most of us got hurt, because your definition of being proud is different from ours.
If you said, “I am not proud to be a Filipino, because of all the appalling things that are going on there” and stop right there, we would have sympathized with you.
I know you are free to express your opinion, but be aware of the other posters sentiments too. I learned about it in the thread in which I posted that “video”, by the way.
All of us want to improve the condition of our country, even though we have different perceptions on how to achieve it, at least that is something we all have in common. And that’s a good thing.
Peace.
braveheart
04-23-2006, 05:56 PM
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The best thing for us Filipinos abroad to do is always do our best to project a positive image of Filipinos through our deeds, actions and achievements.
And get rid of all those bad traits and habits. :mad:
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Meron lang akong idadagdag sa sinabi ni kaibigan raiden, maganda tong sinabi mong i promote ang good image ng mga pilipino dito sa Japan. BUt what i want to add is that would it be better for us pinoys to bare in mind to do our own share in developing our own country by means of doing things that would help improve the lives of our loves ones in the Philippines. kasi alam nyo mga ka TF four months pa lang ako dito sa japan at karamihan sa mga nakakausap kong kababayan natin specially yun mga permanent na dito at matagal na ay wala na halos balak bumalik sa Pilipinas ngayon. Edi ba yun typical na pinoy o pinay na nais magpunta ng Japan pag iyong tinanong kung “bakit ka pupunta sa Japan?” ang kalimitan sagot para makaahon sa kahirapan db. pero paglipas ng maraming panahon ng paninirahan nila dito nakakalimutan na ng ating ilang kababayan ang tunay na layunin nila ng pag punta dito db?
ang tulugan ang kani-kanilang mga pamilya sa Pilipinas.
siyempre di natin maiaalis ang sitwasyon na yun iba ay nagsawa nang tumulong kasi yun kamag anak sa Pinas puro pasarap lang db, kaya di mo masisi na ayaw nang bumalik sa Pinas. Pero di doon ngtatapos ang lahat, kung proud tayong maging Pinoy dapat yun mga nagtatrabaho abroad kagaya natin ay isaisip na mag invest sa Pinas para na rin sa kanilang sarili at sa ikauunlad ng ating Bansa.
kaya sa opinion ko kung proud tayong maging pinoy, tulugan din nating umunlad ang PILIPINAS.
maraming salamat po.
Tonyang
04-23-2006, 10:29 PM
Ang ganda ng mensahe ni Braveheart… dagdagan natin ng bayanihan sana dahil ang dami nating problema at dapat tayong magtulungan lahat kung maaari.
greatbarrier
04-24-2006, 12:01 AM
I’m waiting for the others to post the little or big things that they have done to make our country proud of them. Asan na kaya?
Some more things that I need to do:
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Invite more Japanese (or other non-Filipinos) to visit the Philippines. I’ve only invited one, a school buddy back in 97, and it seems that he really really enjoyed his 20-day stay. Medyo napagod lang ako kaka-translate kasi kasama ko siya sa lahat ng lakad ko. But it was worth it.
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Be more active in our little scholarship foundation for bright but poor Filipino students.
Sa company namin simula pa ng July 15 (until September 15) allowed mag-suit without a necktie. So hindi rin ako pwedeng mag-barong siguro.
this is a nice forum i must say!
ano na nga ba nagawa ko to make our country proud of me???
if i go on vacation, i just go to the nice beaches here! so the money that i spend does not go out of the equation…still within the phil economy…(yan yung problems ng mga politicians dito na nangungurakot…nan gurakot na nga, outside the philippines pa i-invest yung kinurakot nila…so ibang economy ang nakikinabang…eh kung dito na lang sana…eh di kahit pano nag-multiply sana yung kinurakot nila…not to mention that it could generate employment…para naman kahit pano na-lessen yung effect nung pangungurakot nila)
yan din sinasabi ko sa mga japanese colleagues ko when i was working with a japanese company here in the phils…that if they really want a good vacation, they should visit the lovely beaches in our country! & yes, i still do that now, promoting to my foreign counterparts how beautiful the philippines is!
& in my work now, i do my best to convince foreign investors that philippines is still worth spending their money for, despite the political and security issues! masakit mang tanggapin but we really need their resources to improve our economy!
green_soda77
04-26-2006, 02:49 PM
this is a nice forum i must say!
ano na nga ba nagawa ko to make our country proud of me???
if i go on vacation, i just go to the nice beaches here! so the money that i spend does not go out of the equation…still within the phil economy…(yan yung problems ng mga politicians dito na nangungurakot…nan gurakot na nga, outside the philippines pa i-invest yung kinurakot nila…so ibang economy ang nakikinabang…eh kung dito na lang sana…eh di kahit pano nag-multiply sana yung kinurakot nila…not to mention that it could generate employment…para naman kahit pano na-lessen yung effect nung pangungurakot nila)
yan din sinasabi ko sa mga japanese colleagues ko when i was working with a japanese company here in the phils…that if they really want a good vacation, they should visit the lovely beaches in our country! & yes, i still do that now, promoting to my foreign counterparts how beautiful the philippines is!
& in my work now, i do my best to convince foreign investors that philippines is still worth spending their money for, despite the political and security issues! masakit mang tanggapin but we really need their resources to improve our economy!
Proud of you, well napakanda ng mga hangarin mo para sa ating Bansa .
Ang masasabi ko naman ay paano naman kaming mga gustong umuwi riyan sa pilipinas at gustong magbakasyon or mag-ubos ng pera dyan para kahit paano makadagdag sa kita ng bayan or maginvest dyan na maantala lang dahil lang sa kabagalan ng pagprocess ng Philippine Embassy sa pagrenew lang ng passport or pagprocess ng papers para makauwi lang dyan sa date na kailangan.Panay isip natin sa ikabubuti ng Pilipinas pero wala namang pagbabago sa mga namumuno ng bayan, papaano naman tayo maiimprove niyan. Tayo lang ang isip ng isip at gawa ng gawa ng paraan pero sila dyan na nasa mataas nakatungkulan ay wala namang ginawa kundi magpasasa lang sa kaban ng bayan at sa ibang bansa pa gagastusin , samantalang tayong maliliit na mamamayan ay nagtitiis na malayo sa sariling bayan para lang pagsapit ng panahon ay makabalik dyan at lahat ng kinita ay dyan din gamitin sa Pilipinas . Kailangan siguro ay mawala muna ang mga mapagsamantalang mga tauhan ng gobyerno ,para maayos ang ating bayan . Nakakaawa ang ating bansa , na kagagawan na rin nating mga pilipino.
greatbarrier
04-27-2006, 03:53 AM
Proud of you, well napakanda ng mga hangarin mo para sa ating Bansa .
Ang masasabi ko naman ay paano naman kaming mga gustong umuwi riyan sa pilipinas at gustong magbakasyon or mag-ubos ng pera dyan para kahit paano makadagdag sa kita ng bayan or maginvest dyan na maantala lang dahil lang sa kabagalan ng pagprocess ng Philippine Embassy sa pagrenew lang ng passport or pagprocess ng papers para makauwi lang dyan sa date na kailangan.Panay isip natin sa ikabubuti ng Pilipinas pero wala namang pagbabago sa mga namumuno ng bayan, papaano naman tayo maiimprove niyan. Tayo lang ang isip ng isip at gawa ng gawa ng paraan pero sila dyan na nasa mataas nakatungkulan ay wala namang ginawa kundi magpasasa lang sa kaban ng bayan at sa ibang bansa pa gagastusin , samantalang tayong maliliit na mamamayan ay nagtitiis na malayo sa sariling bayan para lang pagsapit ng panahon ay makabalik dyan at lahat ng kinita ay dyan din gamitin sa Pilipinas . Kailangan siguro ay mawala muna ang mga mapagsamantalang mga tauhan ng gobyerno ,para maayos ang ating bayan . Nakakaawa ang ating bansa , na kagagawan na rin nating mga pilipino.
sorry to hear your sentiments…frankl y speaking, i have the same sentiments as yours…especially when i look back on the years after the world war 2…do u know that the philippines was the second richest country in asia with japan as the no. 1? or maybe even richer than japan…but graft & corruption is a reality of every government…though here in ph, it maybe worse! mainclude ba naman sa list of most corrupt countries!!! but on that aspect, can we do anything? wala di ba…
so as what others are telling in this forum…in our own little way, maybe we can do something for our country that could somehow moderate the impact of this frustrating situation…anyway we are still citizen of this country…at least, kahit pano we can call ourselves citizen of a state unlike some people who are born stateless coz of certain political issues…
& why don’t we just look on the glass half full instead of half-empty? we may be better off than the aids-infected africans…than the malnourished people of kenya…just praying that we won’t end up like them…
maybe…just maybe…if each filipino (other than the politicians) will just have a patriotic love for country, just like the japanese, the koreans…baka magkaron na ng konsensya ang mga corrupt officials…
i still believe in the spirit of the filipinos…& we can eventually turn over a new leaf…
NemoySpruce
04-27-2006, 10:15 AM
makahirit na nga uli dito… sa akin lang po, lahat tayo may kanya kanyang trabaho. Ako po ay web designer, trabaho ko ito dahil eto lang ang kinaya ng pagkatao ko. Hindi ko kinaya maging duktor, lawyer or kahit business owner man lang… trabahante lang ako. Ang pinaka magandang posible kong gawin para sa ikauunlad ng bansa, ay gawin ko ng tama ang trabaho ko…ayun lang. ngayon, may mga taong mas matalino sa akin, mga nag aral ng law, pilosopiya, history, politikal science… sa madalit salita, may mga tao na ang trabaho nila ay magisip at humanap ng solusyon sa mga problema natin lahat, at binabayaran natin sila para gawin ito… pero anong nangyayari? dahil sa mas matalino sila, akala nila ay mas may karapatan sila na mamuhay ng angat sa ibang tao. Kaya lahat ng batas at galaw ng gobyerno ay para sa kapakanan ng kanikanilang kaibigan at kapamilya… kaya ikaw, maliit na mangagawang pinoy, ay wag ka na mag ilusyon, na malulutas mo ang mga problema ng bansa mo. dahil maliit ka lang. walang mangyayari, hangan sa ma isip mo, na maliit ka kasi nagiisa ka, pero kung tutuusin, mahigit 90pursyento ng populasyon ay kadamay mo…parepareho tayong naloloko ng mga ‘matatalinong’ pulitiko… akala mo kasi ay napalaya mo na ang sarili mo nung edsa uno, napaalis kasi ang figure head ng institution, pero 20 taon na nakalipas, di mo pa ba naisip na ang institution ng opresyon ay maraming ulo? natangal mo lang ang pinaka malaki, pero marami yan, at di mo kaya paalisin lahat yan… maliit ka lang eh. napipikon na ako sobra, parang gusto ko gawin ay wag mag bayad ng buwis. gusto kong sabihin sa HR, wag nyo ako kaltasan ng buwis at hindi ko yan ibibigay sa gobyerno dahil di naman nila ginagawa ang trabaho nila…!!! pero hindi din diba? walang epekto yan, bakit? kasi isa lang ako, maliit lang ako… yes!! i am proud op being pinoy!! Mabuhay!
nokiko
05-24-2006, 02:21 PM
bilib ako sa pagiging pinoy…
sa totoo lang mas nahinang pa yung pagkanasyonalismo ko nang matuntong ako sa bansang dayuhan… ang ibig kong sabihin, napuri ko yung mga kultura, ugali at iba pa na mayroon tayo at maaaring wala sila.
sa kabilang dayo, kung mayroon mang masama sa Pilipinas, lahat naman ng bansa tingin ko ay mayroon din…marami kasing bagay-bagay ang nakakaapekto rito tulad ng pulitika, ekonomiya at yung istatus ng bansa sa aspetong global…
tignan natin yung positibong sayd(side) o mukha, ika nga, … nakakatuwang tignan ang kultura natin- na nabahiran ng kulturang kastila, at kulturang amerikano na siyang itinimpla sa katutubong kultura at ito ang ating kasaysayan at ang tinatawag na “kulturang pinoy” na kakaiba sa lahat…
(mahirap palang magpurong Filipino(wika/lengguahe))
tatamigurl
05-24-2006, 02:34 PM
Im proud! Lahat naman ng bansa may mga problema ah... I
m proud to make a difference of how the world thinks about us. So, kung ano ang impression nila sa atin its because thats what they see.
Siguro dapat, everything we do in any foreign country ay para sa ikabubuti ng inang bayan…
PErsonally, proud ako kasi magaganda ang mga pinay! PEro sorry boys, pinoy gusto ko…tangkilikin ang sariling atin!:yippee: :yippee: :love:
meteor
08-19-2006, 10:20 PM
sa nangyayaring suliranin sa bansa natin proud pa ba kayo maging filipino?
I am proud to be a Filipino because I am one. Now, am I proud of other Filipinos? Well, the answer is yes and no. See, Filipinos could be the best that they could be. As already mentioned, we are hardworking, intelligent and talented people. The best of us could compete with the best of them. And these are the Filipinos I am proud of.
The problem is there are just too many out there that are just the worst of the worst. Corrupt public officials, unscrupulous business people, abusive police officers, drunken tambays sa kanto etc etc… These people make me sick… I cringe sometimes hearing news about the activities of these people. Makes me wonder if these people came from the same country where all the good Filipinos came from.
The good thing is, kahit mas marami ang problema, once na makagawa ng impact ang isang kababayan natin sa larangan nya sa isang kompetisyon, ay nakakalimutan muna ang mga problema, at nagkakaroon ng sense of UNITED PRIDE muli ang lahat ng Pilipino.But the pride does not end in our personal level only. We are all Filipinos, and we should start on our part to also make the other Filipinos feel the pride we have.
mOtt_erU
09-01-2006, 12:25 AM
hi,kahit minsan maraming BAD write ups about sa Pinas at sa mga Pilipino eh still I`m Proud to be one,…aba tayo yata ang lahi na kahit saang parte pa ng mundo eh mayroon…Marami tayong magagandang Traits kaya gustong gusto tayo ng mga Gaijin around the world… at kahit ano pang propesyon yan eh nageexcel tayo kaya bilib din sila saten…
satsuki
09-01-2006, 04:04 PM
proud na proud pow…kahit ang husband ko proud din na may asawa sya pilipina
McBONG
07-14-2007, 10:18 PM
Sayang ngayon ko lang nabasa to,!Go pinoy!
jam
07-26-2007, 12:45 PM
opo naman kahit san tayo mapunta di mawawala pagiging pinoy natin and im very proud na isa akong pinoy…never mind the problems…masusulos yunan din yan
bonbon’79
07-26-2007, 09:35 PM
Siyempre, oo. Proud pa rin akong maging Pilipino kahit ganun na ang nangyayari sa ating bansa. Basta ang asikasuhin na lang natin eh kung paano natin mapapaunlad ang ating sariling buhay. Don’t mind the negative ones. Always think the positive ones.
uvy
07-26-2007, 10:22 PM
Yes na yes:Dkahit naman siguro anong gawin natin at saan tayo mapadpad pinoy pa din tayo,…wag nalang isipin ang mga negatives think possitive nalang tayo lahat,…at sikaping mapaunlad at mapabuti ang sarili natin,…hayaan na natin yong iba na ayaw tulungan ang sarili nila:)
yosi
07-26-2007, 10:34 PM
yes mabuhay ang pinoy!mabuhay ang pilipinas!
louvette_15
12-27-2007, 11:25 PM
i am a proud pinoy… and im proud of my kababayans …
katheyrine
12-27-2007, 11:30 PM
MABUHAY ang mga PILIPINO!
Dondake303
12-28-2007, 09:16 AM
Ako ay pilipino, taas noo kahit kanino.
gabby
12-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Heh he he he . . . Mga hinayupak kayo!!! Bakit binuhay nyo ito. Heh he hhi hihihihihiihi:p
Sigi na nga mabuhay na tayong lahat.
Flippy Aze
12-28-2007, 12:12 PM
the best ang PINOY!
gabby
12-28-2007, 12:14 PM
the best ang PINOY!
I am not sure about that but well . . . . . whatever makes you happy.
docomo
12-28-2007, 01:43 PM
Heh he he he . . . Mga hinayupak kayo!!! Bakit binuhay nyo ito. Heh he hhi hihihihihiihi:p
Sigi na nga mabuhay na tayong lahat.
Aren’t you glad about it intrimitido?
Good old times sabi nga ni nemoy
gabby
12-28-2007, 04:30 PM
Aren’t you glad about it intrimitido?
Good old times sabi nga ni nemoy
Heh he he he Ano bang intrimitido??:confus ed: Wala pa sa bokabolaryo ko iyan a:p
Yeah we should invite Nemuyspruce again and prove to him that a proud pinoy is not in a self-delusional state whenever,if ever and wherever a pinoy likes to take pride of his identity. Heh he he . . . . it will be fun. YAHOOOOOO! Nemuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! !! Happy new year kababayan kong HOBBIT!!!
kakkoii_daw
01-04-2008, 11:49 AM
nice… looks like nemoy owned this thread… im proud of u dude! :hihi:
Jyellenny
02-23-2008, 10:06 AM
Without hesitation and without batting an eyelash I am proud to be a filipino. We’ve heard so much negative things about the Philippines especially for us foreigners living here nakakahiya pero that’s the true picture. The least we can do in our host country (Japan) eh wag na lang gumawa ng kapalpakan. That way we can show these japanese na matitino tayong tao in their homeland. Mabuhay tayong pinoy dito!
Jyellenny
02-23-2008, 10:18 AM
Without hesitation and without batting an eyelash I am proud to be a filipino. We’ve heard so much negative things about the Philippines especially for us foreigners living here nakakahiya pero that’s the true picture. The least we can do in our host country (Japan) eh wag na lang gumawa ng kapalpakan. That way we can show these japanese na matitino tayong tao in their homeland. Mabuhay tayong pinoy dito!
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